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We now watch via the lens, that White is #2 of Spectre, although for all intents and purposes he is still very much senior operative of mysterious Quantum operation.
All the SP knowledge does, is let us know that his boss is Oberhauser, and that he also presumably attends Spectre meetings in his capacity as #2, as well as the Quantum meetings.
"we have people everywhere" What's not clear now, is whether he is talking about Quantum or Spectre, or the two of them combined.
Really, the introduction of Spectre, makes me wonder what the heck Quantum was supposed to be - maybe a shadowy subgroup of plotters and schemers, operating under the direction of the mysterious Spectre board members, but likely oblivious to the existence of SP, their only connection being White, who they know reports to someone, but not sure who.
Quantum does its secret work. They all get rich, stay invisible and powerful, but blind to the bigger SP presence that oversees global events. Very conspiratorial.
===Anyway, I don't think there is much mystery surrounding the SP plot. I don't ancticipate anything will be changed from the Dec script, at least in terms of core story elements.
The story seemed pretty tight and ready to shoot, and so far all the filming we have seen matches up perfectly with the Dec script.
There will be some dialogue tweaks. eg looks like Christensen has changed up some of the cabin dialogue.
But basically, the ending sets up for a Blofeld origins story, ie Oberhauser becomes ESB., and I would bet that he also has a white cat in next film too.
Swann is new Tracy. I think this is all locked and loaded, and that the continuation film, when they get round to writing it, will take us into Fleming's YOLT Shatterhand and Bunt territory.
Going to watch SF again today thru the SP lens, but I doubt that lens will change much in the way of perception.
SF looks like it was Silva's madcap venture, conducted under the watchful eyes of SP.
As we know now that Quantum was EON not having the rights to use Spectre and if so we might have had them from the get go with CR possibly if this had not been the case?
Quantum was them introducing a Criminal organisation to this new reboot like SP but Mendes obviously wanting to distance himself from QOS decided to not have a mention of them or have them involved with Silva and his scheme.
It seems now that the idea to incorporate Quantum into this came after Skyfall was written, I'm wondering the inclusion of Mr White and Quantum as part of the big story bringing everything together was this Logan or bringing P&W back to the fold? I would say this idea came from them as Mr White is their character, as someone who's read both screenplays would you say this is the case.
I will need to watch the Craig films before going to see SP and see how different all 3 films seem now we know they are all connected to each other but interesting reading.
I've just read about the more egegious elements such as M being a traitor, Tanner commiting suicide etc.
I do like like that saner heads prevailed and that the script was rescued, and that both Tanner and M were saved from their ignominious fates. Shudder.
I am not sure what Eon was thinking, regarding Quantum and Spectre and planning ahead.
My hunch is that they were winging it - that there was no advance plan to tie it altogether.
With CR, it seems they needed an organization to replace Fleming's Smersh as the blackmailer of Vesper.
So they did just that, created a mysterious "organization" with no name.
Then when they decide to use QoS, as the last of the Fleming titles to be directly or indirectly referenced in the films, they thought, we can finesse Quantum as the name of the Organization too.
So now Quantum is revealed as a new SP like organization, with shadowy powerful members meeting in secret, but it was still missing a chief.
Eon it seems, was at least toying with the idea of a boss, as there was talk that Al Pacino might be introduced as Chief, but that plan was scrapped.
But circa 2008, I think Eon was just playing with the idea of a new SP-like organization for the re-boot, which they could evolve as they went along.
But then Mendes came along, someone cooked up the SF story involving Bond's parents, and the Quantum thing was set aside, in favour of the thematic stuff we saw in SF.
But then came the return of rights to SP and Blofeld, and suddenly all this good stuff was back in play.
Cue Logan to make a mess of it all. Saner heads prevail, and a proper story is concocted linking in Spectre, origins-Ernst (and hopefully cat too) with the new re-booted continuity.
Anyway, that's my take on what I think has been going on.
I mentioned it just to illustrate that there did seem to be consideration of introducing a chief
Lol! For some reason I find that notion hilarious. Such an unlikely scenario. Why did he do it though - was he also a traitor?
Had Mallory been a traitor it would perhaps have been one of the worst decisions ever commited to Bond canon. Fiennes is already such a fantastic M, good on him for having the class to refuse that trashy plot point. Although I like how Mallory became M, I wish Fiennes' incarnation had been Craigs M from the start. Or rather, Michael Gambon had taken Dench's role and then Fiennes took over in Skyfall. I could never stand Dench's shrill voice in Bond earpiece.
Although the Quantum members seemed to be making very big decisions, independent of Oberhauser, suggesting Spectre operated independently behind the scenes, with White installed with Quantum to keep tabs.
I don't think the Dec script is terribly clear on what Quantum was, other than that Spectre has been running the show all along.
First of all, initially it does seem that Whites only interest in Obanno was to provide banking services for him- a place to park his 100 million or whatever it was.
It doesn't seem they were out to rip him off - maybe just take a commission on the Le Chiffre introduction.
I say this because it doesn't appear that White had approved of Le Chiffre's airline stock operation.
However Le Chiffre who had a combined greed and gambling problem, lost all of Obanno's money.
It then seems, White agreed to bail him out by blackmailing Vesper to conspire against Bond and help LeChiffre win at the tables.
Meanwhile Obanno catches wind that Le Chiffre lost all his money, threatens Le Chiffre, but then recklessly gets himself killed by Bond.
Le Chiffre's plan to recover the money dies at the card table with Bond drawing to an inside straight flush.
Obanno also is dead, yet much is made in the movie, of Le Chiffre being dead meat vis-a-vis his employers, for losing all that money, yet it was Obanno's money he lost, so who cares. Obanno was dead. Quantum hadn't lost anything other than a client being dead.
Still, I can see why Quantum was done with Le Chiffre. The guy was a screw-up.
So White decides that Le Chiffre is dead meat. Lectures him on knowing who to trust, presumably referring to Le Chiffre's sneaky plan to short the airline stock with Obanno's cash, and then blows him away.
It now seems that White decides to utilize his Vesper chip, to get the money from Bond and Mi6, and put it in Quantum's coffers, or is it Spectres coffers.
Could be Spectre's, as the only Quantum player in the CR drama is White, and we now know he was actually Spectre, however the scam involving Youseff and the Algerian Love Knot etc, is a Quantum play, as they are also running the same operation post-Vesper on the "Canadian" Corinne. We learn about the "Canadian" at the Tosca meeting.
So it does seem, Quantum was running the Royale card game in Le Chiffre's favour.
I am not sure if Le Chiffre was a Quantum member, or if he was simply an independant money launderer, that took referrals from White. Whatever, he broke White's trust.
It seems White only let him play out the Royale card game, in order to get the cash back, on behalf of Obanno. Why? ie why does he care about Obanno? Was it the Quantum reputation at stake? Maybe, but he also seemed to tell Obanno at the beginning of CR, that Quantum was only providing the introduction, not guaranteeing the integrity of the "banker" so did they really owe Obanno anything.
I ask, because what was their motivation for helping Le Chiffre win the card game.
I guess the answer was to make good, on the original deal with Obanno
OR MORE NEFARIOUSLY and SPECTRE-esqe
they knew that Le Chiffre was planning to gamble the money all along!!!!
They wanted to see how it played out and were planning on taking the profits from Le Chiffre's airline scam, and to hell with Obanno, if the thing fell through, which it did.
Royale in this case simply provided an opportunity for Le Chiffre to recover the money with a profit, which Quantum would have presumably taken from Le Chiffre, with the original stake returned to Obanno OR MAYBE NOT!!!
Maybe Quantum would have conspired to kill Obanno, if Bond hadn't, and keep all the money. ie this was their plan all along. introduce Obanno to Le Chiffre, knowing Le Chiffre would use the money to make even more cash,with the airline scam. Then kill Obanno, and take all the cash and allow Le Chiffre to escape with only his life, for breaking trust, ie not letting them in on the scam, even though they knew already what he planned to do.
If Quantum is as ruthless as we are led to believe, then I think this latter scenario is what went down. White was playing both Obanno and Le Chiffre. But the movie doesn't really spell anything out as to what Quantums motives were, or what they knew about Le Chiffre, or even what Le Chiffre's relationship with Quantum was.
Fleming's book was so much clearer.
Anyway at the end of CR, White walks away with a briefcase full of Bond's Royale winnings. So their plan worked out marvelously.
Obanno, Le Chiffre, Vesper all dead, and Quantum flush with a big pile of fresh,ill-gotten loot.
I'm sure Oberhauser was chortlingly in his Moroccan digs, and laughing at his poor sap old "friend" Bond, at least until Bond struck back, and layed waste to Quantum's Bolivian operation and the ongoing Algerian love-knot scam.
Maybe then Oberhauser conspired with Silva later to go after M and Mi6, knowing Bond would be dragged into the whole thing too. Who knows.
I am not sure if Le Chiffre was a Quantum guy or not. I guess not if White was playing him along with Obanno.
Meanwhile Spectre was overseeing all these machinations from a distance, with White as their guy in the field.
We have to to assume Oberhauser approved the killing of Le Chiffre, and the plan to put Vesper to work, getting the case from Bond.
I do find the CR story rather confusing, but after mulling it over, I think Quantum (White) set in motion the plan to rip-off Obanno and then strong-arm all the money from Le Chiffre later, with their leverage being that Le Chiffre never let them in on the airline scam.
Afterall, Le Chiffre did seem convinced that he owed Quantum the money.
Maybe someday when Purvis and Wade write their memoirs, they can tell us exactly what the heck was going down in their tellings of Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace, and how it ties in exactly with the events of Skyfall and Spectre.
Enquiring Bond fans would like to know.
I think the idea to tie things together is theirs, maybe Logan came up with using Spectre and that was what him and Mendes had discussed during making of SF including the ludicrous idea to make Mallory the villain.
The idea being that Silva's plan was all about installing a rogue M at the head of MI6, sounds utterly daft but probably one of the nuttier ideas in Logan's original idea.
EON realised that things weren't right with the screenplay although Mendes must have been on board hence SM supposedly wanting to jump ship when Babs & MGW wouldn't sign off on his script. Sam possibly thinking Logan's script was quite brave and different for Bond having a bad M and other ideas that a director like Mendes might have been excited about bringing to fruition.
Why this wasn't spotted earlier or someone discussed this with Fiennes beforehand is strange and it's thankful Ralph didn't sign off on it wanting to keep Mallory the new proper M and not some rogue version. That I guess Bond would have taken down during the original 2 arc film Logan and Mendes supposedly had discussed and then Sam abandoned not wanting to make 2 more films and just the one instead.
Maybe Logan got himself into a mess when he had to take his idea to one film instead of 2, hence the ridiculous idea of Tanner being a traitor and committing suicide amongst others.
Babs & MGW possibly with DC involved and some executives were very scared with Logan's and Mendes intentions and Logan decided to eject himself from the project hence very late in the day P&W been bought on board to rework someone else's script (oh the irony).
They saw what Logan had written and decided to use the idea of Spectre to tie all of the films together and make Quantum a part of Spectre, the introduction of ESB being in Logan screenplay but P&W tweaked that, like I say it's going to make for a fascinating account one day of how this all could have gone very wrong.
Mendes supposedly had to beg them to come back and then he was comfortable with their rework and signed off on it to start. I'm not saying this is what happened but it's a possibility something like this was the case maybe?
I can't remember exactly but I always thought Vesper believed she was meeting White somewhere, but Le Chiffre had sprung an ambush on her?
Credits to Marketto for finding the video
@Zekidk
I mean the turn, not the Vatican Entrance it says like this in the script:
and scream right past the Vatican entrance, drifting all the way from one side to the other.
Bond swings the corner.
And on the car chase map you can clearly see that it is the turn after they turn off the street that leads to the Vatican
..and ends with the two cars drifting by the entrance.
@Zekidk I really don't want to quarrel on here, but I'm sure that, that video is the scene where Bond swings the corner and on the car chase map there is a turn after the Vatican scream right past scene.
Here is proof:
Have a look at this video:
Look at the building on the corner in the video
Now have a look at these pictures from Google Street View, they exactly match that scene, and they are just when they turn off the Vatican:
http://i.imgur.com/jWzVCSP.jpg
And here you can see the route where they go after the Vatican scream right past:
*see the red line*
http://i.imgur.com/SONn0IL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/hYXsM8e.jpg
All this is part 7 on the car chase map, you can clearly see on the map they turn at the Vatican and if you compare all the images I gave you, that is that location.
I hope you agree now.
Part 8 of the map begins in another street leading towards the Tiber, and that then is scene 57.
https://www.google.dk/maps/@41.903169,12.458265,3a,90y,131.14h,88.81t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sTiFL8YGJpMS0TdkRJiWC1A!2e0
I didn't want to annoy you to much I just wanted to let you know.Thank you once more.
Considering that Logan will no doubt be getting a credit for his contribution and we know how that has turned out don't we? Butterworth will be like so many other script writers and will most likely not be named.
If P&W deliver their best script it will be so funny considering it's a reworking of someone else's idea something they have had to endure all their writing time with Bond and EON.
The fact they are doing what has been done to them on many occasions and in the course possibly delivering their most satisfying work to date if things go as planned.
There are.
@ggl007 I'm trying to get them together, but I'm quite busy with work but I will try my best on the weekend. I will notify you first thing when I make one. :-)