SPECTRE Leaks Discussion (allowed on ONLY this thread) MAJOR PLOTLINE SPOILERS!

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  • Posts: 95
    I think you mix too much
    1) "Craig won't do another one"
    &
    2) "Someone working on the movie think it's impossible for Craig to come back".

    I think 1) will happen but it's an hypothesis, we'll know the answer only when the next movie after SPECTRE is announced, or a search for a new actor is announced. You won't have your answer at the end of SPECTRE I think.

    I think 2) could be true, and the current script could explain it alone. "Resignation", "Throwing the gun in the Thames", "Post-MI6 Bond breaking into Q lab to steal the DB5", "Bond saying to Q he's gone", "We Have All The Time In The World", well someone can read it as "Craig leaves" IMO. Heck, I do :)


    This is what I meant when I said EON won't paint themselves into a corner with an ending that is definitive by having it's star NOT ABLE to return. The filmmakers want us to wonder what will happen after seeing SP, to speculate. Not to tell us it is not possible for his return, therefor taking the will he or won't he out of it. And for all of Craig's fans of his Bond, right now I don't think that is the wisest move on EON's part.

    As of now, it ends on a cliffhanger, but one that leaves the door wide open. But if Craig says he's done, then another actor will befitting in M's office in Bond 25.

    I don't mean anything against dmwalker, but I think "the throwing the gun in the river" already answer's this entire question. Can't see another huge twist on top of that or in place of that. That alone is enough.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited August 2015 Posts: 9,020
    The balance has to be right. The Connery movies were balanced bloody perfectly up to YOLT.
    The Moore movies were balanced enough up to TSWLM, then it got a bit on the silly side.
    Dalton's movies were balanced enough, even LTK which only was a bit too violent.
    Brosnan's first 3 movies are probably the most balanced of them all and absolutely perfect in that sense. DAD of course went to the silly side.
    The Craig movies, sadly, are not balanced at all.
    CR was balanced enough not to hurt the movie.
    QOS not at all, the worst of them all in that sense.
    SF is a mess of gigantic proportions, they tried to put in everything and failed at most.
    It is a pessimistic, gloomy affair overall.
    Which doesn't mean movies like MR, DAF, DAD or QOS are not good overall! Just not balanced well.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    I agree with you @BondJasonBond006 except for MR. I think MR is well balanced too. From the Craig area I like CR most (the classic feel and tone when meeting Mathis for the first time).
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Tuxedo wrote: »
    I agree with you @BondJasonBond006 except for MR. I think MR is well balanced too.

    You have a point.
    I was tempted to say "up to MR" but I think MR was the transition from well balanced to a bit too silly within that movie.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited August 2015 Posts: 14,556
    Hi guys, I have in my possession a SP production call sheet. I'm avoiding spoilers, so I've yet to read the entirety of the document, but have made a scan to share:

    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5793/20870430925_62892ceca4_o.jpg

    EDIT: Not sure if this is the correct spoiler thread for call sheets- mods please move it to a more appropriate one if necessary, cheers.
  • Posts: 832
    @BondJasonBond006

    I could not disagree with you more. Movies such as dad and the others you listed are unbalanced, sure, but it isn't that only that makes them bad movies. They are bad movies overall. Cr is bond back to his bare essence, absent of the gadgets and not quite as adherent to the bond canon. But it does NOT, by any means, abandon the canon at all. It feels very much like a bond film imo, and is my second favorite. Qos is badly balanced and a terrible movie, so I agree with you on that. Sf, however, fits very well within the bond canon, is as "classic" as GE, TSWLM, etc. and is one of the best bonds to date.
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 3,164
    Mendes mentions in an interview for Empire (posted in the Production Timeline) that Spectre "is a word, not an acronym".

    Given in the December script, there is nothing indicating in the story whether it is a word or acronym, I hope this means they reinstated that small but really nice piece of backstory that explains the organisation's name and insignia in the Craig era from the October script - the photograph of young White and Oberhauser in the Foreign Legion in Morocco which has the name of their platoon "Les Spectres de Pierre" and an image of an octopus with its tentacles around Earth on a mural behind them.
  • One of my favorite moments in the script was when Bond flips the "Atmosphere" switch and Spooky by Dusty Springfield starts to play. I really hope its kept in the film, but part of me is wondering if that could perhaps be one of the multiple songs that is rumored to have been recorded. I think an Adele cover of Spooky would be quite good!
  • Posts: 3,164
    One of my favorite moments in the script was when Bond flips the "Atmosphere" switch and Spooky by Dusty Springfield starts to play. I really hope its kept in the film, but part of me is wondering if that could perhaps be one of the multiple songs that is rumored to have been recorded. I think an Adele cover of Spooky would be quite good!

    I think people mistook that there will be two songs in the film, to be that there were two songs recorded. Second song is no doubt Dusty's original Spooky.
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
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    A while ago I read some bizarre post on the film IMDB board that Christoph Waltz recorded a demo for the SPECTRE theme tune. It would be hilarious if Christoph actually covered Spooky.
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    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    So in SP Madeline and Bond have their farewell kiss and go their seperate ways after the Morocco scenes. Madeline then gets kidnapped by Oberhauser, Bond then saves her, and voila - they get married? Sorry... that doesn't stick.
    They don't get married.
    I know. I was referring to the B25 PTS.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    So in SP Madeline and Bond have their farewell kiss and go their seperate ways after the Morocco scenes. Madeline then gets kidnapped by Oberhauser, Bond then saves her, and voila - they get married? Sorry... that doesn't stick.
    They don't get married.
    I know. I was referring to the B25 PTS.

    It has been leaked already? Good job, Kim!
  • Posts: 4,619
    Brimar wrote: »
    As of now, it ends on a cliffhanger,
    What? No. The ending of the December version of the screenplay is the opposite of a cliffhanger.
  • Posts: 725
    Doesn't Bond drive off with Swann, having left the service? The story obviously is not over, so to me it is a cliffhanger. The SF ending is not the end of the Bond/Swann story or the Bond/Blofeld story.
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    smitty wrote: »
    Doesn't Bond drive off with Swann, having left the service? The story obviously is not over, so to me it is a cliffhanger. The SF ending is not the end of the Bond/Swann story or the Bond/Blofeld story.

    Yes, with Blofeld in custody and the MI6 team having all the necessary data to take down to remaining SPECTRE bases. The story is over, but it leaves the door open for a possible YOLT-esque continuation, but it works just as fine and is just as satisfying as the end.
  • smitty wrote: »
    Doesn't Bond drive off with Swann, having left the service? The story obviously is not over, so to me it is a cliffhanger. The SF ending is not the end of the Bond/Swann story or the Bond/Blofeld story.

    Well I wouldn't say that it's obvious. Yes, I agree there probably will be a continuation, but I think they wrote the ending to be intentionally ambiguous. I'm not sure if Craig himself knows he's coming back so I think this ending could work either way. You could have Bond throw away his gun, resign, and move on with his life OR you could go the OHMSS path that seems to be the general assumption for Bond 25. I personally wouldn't mind having the Craig era end this way. It's basically the same way they did the Nolan Batman trilogy.

  • According to his Esquire interview, at the moment, he doesn't intend to return. Kind of a bummer if SPECTRE is his final movie. I wish the studio would say, one way or another.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    If he doesn't want to come back then let him go. Hopefully EoN will cast someone who can be more enthusiastic about being in the role. Craig's attitude to the role comes off as too clinical and after a while it loses its charm.
  • Posts: 625
    doubleoego wrote: »
    If he doesn't want to come back then let him go. Hopefully EoN will cast someone who can be more enthusiastic about being in the role. Craig's attitude to the role comes off as too clinical and after a while it loses its charm.

    Did you read the Esquire Interview?

    “I’m a huge Bond fan,” he says. “I love James Bond movies."
    Will he miss James Bond, when it’s another actor carrying the Walther PPK, at the wheel of the Aston Martin?
    “Yeah, of course I will.”

    Does this sound to you, that he's not commited to the Bond movies?

    Remember, he did this interview in early July 3 days after shooting for SPECTRE finished.
  • Posts: 6,601
    He was never NOT enthusiastic about it.
    He gave more of himself then any other, so thinking about being done should be allowed.
    Also we dont know, what is really going on behind the scenes and how much of ghat reflects in his thoughts.
  • Posts: 39
    Germanlady wrote: »
    He was never NOT enthusiastic about it.
    He gave more of himself then any other, so thinking about being done should be allowed.
    Also we dont know, what is really going on behind the scenes and how much of ghat reflects in his thoughts.

    Well, you kind-of DO know what's been going on because I've been TELLING people what's been going on. It's just that you didn't believe me and resorted to insults, along with a few others here.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    If he doesn't want to come back then let him go. Hopefully EoN will cast someone who can be more enthusiastic about being in the role. Craig's attitude to the role comes off as too clinical and after a while it loses its charm.

    Did you read the Esquire Interview?

    “I’m a huge Bond fan,” he says. “I love James Bond movies."
    Will he miss James Bond, when it’s another actor carrying the Walther PPK, at the wheel of the Aston Martin?
    “Yeah, of course I will.”

    Does this sound to you, that he's not commited to the Bond movies?

    Remember, he did this interview in early July 3 days after shooting for SPECTRE finished.

    I did but re-read it and acknowledged it in a different light. I agree with you and have my impressions in tge spectre production thread.
  • Posts: 725
    smitty wrote: »
    Doesn't Bond drive off with Swann, having left the service? The story obviously is not over, so to me it is a cliffhanger. The SF ending is not the end of the Bond/Swann story or the Bond/Blofeld story.

    Well I wouldn't say that it's obvious. Yes, I agree there probably will be a continuation, but I think they wrote the ending to be intentionally ambiguous. I'm not sure if Craig himself knows he's coming back so I think this ending could work either way. You could have Bond throw away his gun, resign, and move on with his life OR you could go the OHMSS path that seems to be the general assumption for Bond 25. I personally wouldn't mind having the Craig era end this way. It's basically the same way they did the Nolan Batman trilogy.

    Agreed. It could go either way. If Craig does do B25, I think both the Swann and Blofeld's story lines will continue. It really seemed to me that this was possibly a 2 part story. But who knows. Probably Craig himself doesn't know yet.

  • Posts: 625
    dmwalker wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    He was never NOT enthusiastic about it.
    He gave more of himself then any other, so thinking about being done should be allowed.
    Also we dont know, what is really going on behind the scenes and how much of ghat reflects in his thoughts.

    Well, you kind-of DO know what's been going on because I've been TELLING people what's been going on. It's just that you didn't believe me and resorted to insults, along with a few others here.

    You said the script wouldn't make it possible for Craig to return.

    Craig himself said he wanted to retire as Bond as soon as QOS was released in 2008. He says that almost every year.

    So as Craig says in that interview: "We'll see."

    And we will see in 2 years.
  • Posts: 9,843
    dmwalker wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    He was never NOT enthusiastic about it.
    He gave more of himself then any other, so thinking about being done should be allowed.
    Also we dont know, what is really going on behind the scenes and how much of ghat reflects in his thoughts.

    Well, you kind-of DO know what's been going on because I've been TELLING people what's been going on. It's just that you didn't believe me and resorted to insults, along with a few others here.
    And if he comes back?
  • Posts: 6,601
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    dmwalker wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    He was never NOT enthusiastic about it.
    He gave more of himself then any other, so thinking about being done should be allowed.
    Also we dont know, what is really going on behind the scenes and how much of ghat reflects in his thoughts.

    Well, you kind-of DO know what's been going on because I've been TELLING people what's been going on. It's just that you didn't believe me and resorted to insults, along with a few others here.

    You said the script wouldn't make it possible for Craig to return.

    Craig himself said he wanted to retire as Bond as soon as QOS was released in 2008. He says that almost every year.

    So as Craig says in that interview: "We'll see."

    And we will see in 2 years.

    Have some people really not understood, that this was spoken in jest and was never meant seriously?

  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    I think Craig was joking a little..
    He just finished shooting spectre and the movie isn't even in theaters he's probably exhausted and people are already saying what about the next one... I think he meant to say "I can't even think about doing that right now"

    So he wants to relax a little before they start pre production next year on the next one big deal...
  • i think you might be right @CASINOROYALE Does anybody remember what DC said after Skyfall? if I remember correctly, he said something similar?
  • Hmm.. I see people in this leaks thread who have not read the leaks. Be careful !

    So about the co-producer status that is on the poster, I'll use spoilers again then (!)
    Could it be related to the fact Craig was deemed too expensive by Sony bosses ? Did they propose to swap some part of the instant paycheck for a share in the results ? Does it mean we'll see Craig in Sony marketing and not a replacement like Ben Whishaw, as Sony proposed ?
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
    Posts: 757
    Geez, penny pinchers. Not just at Disney
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