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Things you never want to see in a Bond film again

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I tried Heineken more than once. It doesn't even have the taste of a quality beer. Who on Earth makes a good use out of that garbage is beyond me, really. And seriously, if you want quality drinks, go back to Smirnoff vodka, and maybe Dom Perignon champagnes. No Bollingers.
  • bondsumbondsum
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I don't agree with this. Moores best performance is LALD. Connery is perfect in DN and Craig's best film and performance is CR. OHMSS is also classic and one of the best films in the series. GE is also Brosnan's best by far.
    I agree with @suave that Moore's best Bond performance was in LALD. It's funny when I look back on how I felt about the movie in '73 I remember thinking it didn't really feel much like a Bond movie. Maybe it was the absence of a John Barry score and a lack of Q and M's briefing in his office, or the fact that both Connery and Lazenby had an air of concealed thuggishness, but in Moore's case a sardonic quip and a raised eyebrow were his favoured weapons? However, I think LALD is Moore's most original Bond movie and that he at least tries to play the role as Fleming intended, same goes for TMWTGG. I suppose most would say Moore peaked with TSWLM, but for me that's when things got a little Derek Flint and hammy. I'd also say that Dalton peaked with TLD. For me, Connery is the only one to have gone from strength to strength.
  • CountJohnCountJohn
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Moore and Connery didn't peak at the first. Neither did Dalton (at least imho).

    My point was that the last two definitely and unreservedly did, and coincidentally both were directed by Campbell in their best outings.

    Let's hope it doesn't happen again.

    A lot of people think SF is Craig's best, I'm not one of them, but there's plenty of them out there. GE is really the only case where the debut film clearly stands above everything else.

    Since it came up, I'd say FRWL is Connery's best film and Bond performance, while FYEO is Moore's best film and TSWLM is his best Bond performance.

  • CountJohnCountJohn
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    Come to think of it four of my top five Bond films are debuts (OHMSS, TLD, CR, DN) with the other one being a second film (FRWL). I really do think the early ones are better.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    heineken.png

    So tacky. You'd think Bond would pick up something local in Turkey or Tangiers, yet he goes for the Heineken? Yes I know it's product placement but it's completely out of character for Bond.

    In TMWTGG (the novel), Bond drinks Red Stripe beer. He also drinks beer in The Hildebrand Rairity.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    heineken.png

    So tacky. You'd think Bond would pick up something local in Turkey or Tangiers, yet he goes for the Heineken? Yes I know it's product placement but it's completely out of character for Bond.

    In TMWTGG (the novel), Bond drinks Red Stripe beer. He also drinks beer in The Hildebrand Rairity.
    I have nothing against beer in general. Bond IMO shouldn't drink something that's so commercially available.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    heineken.png

    So tacky. You'd think Bond would pick up something local in Turkey or Tangiers, yet he goes for the Heineken? Yes I know it's product placement but it's completely out of character for Bond.

    In TMWTGG (the novel), Bond drinks Red Stripe beer. He also drinks beer in The Hildebrand Rairity.
    I have nothing against beer in general. Bond IMO shouldn't drink something that's so commercially available.

    Fair comment.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    MrKissKissBangBang wrote: »

    And I don't want to hear Thomas Newman's 'music'.

    Hear hear to that !!!

    Definitely agree...I think Arnold should come back,he was seriously under-rated IMO.

  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited February 2017 Posts: 7,108
    Things I definitely agree with:

    - Bond wearing a t-shirt. A polo shirt is as much dressed down as he should ever be.
    - Heineken. I don't mind beer if it doesn't become too overused, but drink a quality beer from Belgium, Germany or Czech Republic for crying out loud.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    When did we see Bond in a T-shirt? (Not saying we haven't, just nothing springs to mind—except perhaps the testing sequence in Skyfall, where that made sense.)
  • NSGWNSGW London
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    When did we see Bond in a T-shirt? (Not saying we haven't, just nothing springs to mind—except perhaps the testing sequence in Skyfall, where that made sense.)

    I remember Dalton wearing a navy blue t-shirt in LTK when he swims underwater to infiltrate the ship when Milton Krest meets his end.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    NSGW wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    When did we see Bond in a T-shirt? (Not saying we haven't, just nothing springs to mind—except perhaps the testing sequence in Skyfall, where that made sense.)

    I remember Dalton wearing a navy blue t-shirt in LTK when he swims underwater to infiltrate the ship when Milton Krest meets his end.

    Oh right, there was that.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Also CraigBond wears one a few times in CR and QOS...
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Bond wears a T in the DAD PTS.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    He also has that torn one in DR NO as he's crawling thru the heating ventilation tunnel.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    and a flowery one in TB and DAD..
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    MrKissKissBangBang wrote: »
    - Daniel Craig
    - Bad Special Effects
    - Judi Dench

    And I don't want to hear Thomas Newman's 'music'.
    Agreed on Newman.

    Any reference to Bond's upbringing/childhood

    Bond "going rogue" (seriously that has happened in each of the last 3 films)

    Moneypenny or M doing any form of field work.


  • barryt007barryt007
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    Roadphill wrote: »
    MrKissKissBangBang wrote: »
    -And I don't want to hear Thomas Newman's 'music'.
    Agreed on Newman.

    Any reference to Bond's upbringing/childhood

    Bond "going rogue" (seriously that has happened in each of the last 3 films)

    Moneypenny or M doing any form of field work.


    Well said on all 3 points !..totally agree.

  • octofingeroctofinger
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    In terms of 'going rogue,' I'm a bit more forgiving. I wouldn't mind if we had a few straightforward films, and then another rogue one later. It's an acceptable device to use occasionally, I think. The problem lately is that it's been overused.

    I'd also welcome a bit of 'cheekiness' - not going rogue exactly, but playing the maverick once in a while.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Going rogue is such an overused trope in nearly every action genre imho. Even Beverly Hills Cop was doing it back in the 80's and before that Dirty Harry in the 70's.
  • octofingeroctofinger
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    "He's a renegade cop with nothing to lose!" etc etc.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    octofinger wrote: »
    "He's a renegade cop with nothing to lose!" etc etc.
    Precisely. It's become a cheap narrative device employed to ingratiate the hero with the audience. To demonstrate his integrity, honour, foresight etc. in comparison to his flat-footed, misguided, bureaucratic but ultimately sincere superiors.

    Instinct over reason, youth over experience, speed over sluggishness etc .etc.

    It also plays into a sort of fashionable counterculture thinking.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    It worked in LTK because it never really happened before (in OHMSS at the end but that was 20 years before).

    Now it has been overdone. Time for a straightforward mission.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The other trope that's become too predictable in this genre imho is the concept of the 'mole'.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Agreed, In one of the Spectre drafts, Both M and Tanner were evil!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Or as if he's in a commercial.

    Well, isn t he?
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    - Bond wearing a t-shirt. A polo shirt is as much dressed down as he should ever be.

    Polo shirt has become a staple in Bond's wardrobe, and rightfully so.

    I agree about a t-shirt, but I think it looked fine in the Venice boat scenes in CR.

    https://flixchatter.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bondvesper_casinoroyale.jpg

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 40,959
    I feel like movies in general are taking the "rogue" route far too often. Get back to the basics, just a simple mission Bond is assigned to for the entire film. How many times can he go rogue/be deemed untrustworthy/temporarily quit before they shit-can him and hire someone else?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Also CraigBond wears one a few times in CR and QOS...

    Are you sure you aren't thinking of his polo shirts?
    barryt007 wrote: »
    and a flowery one in TB and DAD..

    Those weren't T-shirts.
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    Bond wears a T in the DAD PTS.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    He also has that torn one in DR NO as he's crawling thru the heating ventilation tunnel.

    Those are both cases where Bond had been stripped to his undershirt by the enemy and was meant to appear ragged. I'm still struggling to think of any instance where Bond wears a T-shirt as a style choice.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    I'm still struggling to think of any instance where Bond wears a T-shirt as a style choice.

    See four posts above.

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