James Bond on Blu-ray/4K

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I doubt they’ll remaster them again. They’re all available on 4K now and will undoubtedly use those. If there’s any upgrade it’ll be HDR/DV.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I doubt they’ll remaster them again. They’re all available on 4K now and will undoubtedly use those. If there’s any upgrade it’ll be HDR/DV.

    But only via streaming. Forget physical media.
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    Physical Media is at an all time high. We have never seen so many releases right now, hundred of films coming out every month, the worst, most forgotten films get UHD 4K treatment. Sure they only are released to about 3000 units, but this is the golden age.

    Bond films, if remastered (ie rescanned NOW in 8K with preservation goal to get digital negatives for next 50 years), will sell bonkers. If they just recycle the streaming versions, this will spell the end of the franchise. No one will care and the backlash will be hardcore.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    How many movies get 8k restoration? That’s overkill, especially for the older movie which won’t benefit.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Stamper wrote: »
    Physical Media is at an all time high. We have never seen so many releases right now, hundred of films coming out every month, the worst, most forgotten films get UHD 4K treatment. Sure they only are released to about 3000 units, but this is the golden age.

    Bond films, if remastered (ie rescanned NOW in 8K with preservation goal to get digital negatives for next 50 years), will sell bonkers. If they just recycle the streaming versions, this will spell the end of the franchise. No one will care and the backlash will be hardcore.

    As a "hardcore" aficionado of physical media (I do not subscribe to any streaming service, be it just audio or also video) I wish I could share your optimism. If you look at the market, hardly anyone still sells decent CD, DVD, or Blu-ray players (I suppose the same goes for 4K, just never cared to check). Apart from the gung-ho all time greatest hits, movies are either no longer (or not in the first place) available on disc (let alone BD), or only at horrendous prices for used specimens. The same goes for music CDs. Just because some "freaks" have enabled the renaissance of vinyl albums - by paying ridiculous sums for them, pretending they sound so much better than CDs that flipping over the record after twenty minutes is negligible - doesn't mean that will also apply to CD/DVD/BD.

    My impression is that the trend is actually going towards LESS quality. One may not expect this with 4K or even 8K being around, but fifty years ago (yes, I'm that old) it was expected among peers to have some sort of hi-fi equipment from established brands. Not necessarily speakers that cost $10,000 a piece, but everybody was considering the frequency range of his speakers, wow and flutter of his tape recorder and total harmonic distortion of all the other elements of your hi-fi set. And you wouldn't wish to be caught with in-ear speakers, you needed really good loudspeakers.

    Those times are gone. I'm not among those who have been saying all the time that the CD was a setback from the vinyl LP acoustically, but the step from CD to MP3 definitely was, because much of the recorded information got lost. And most of the major hi-fi brands, German or Japanese or whathaveyou, with a few exceptions, went bankrupt. And the others run a reduced program of mostly rather old models - not saying those are bad, but they don't try anything new any more. You can't buy a decent tape deck any more (you can't even buy decent tapes any more), and you are stuck with what you once recorded using a noise reduction technology that no longer exists.

    No, I don't think that anyone will buy 8K remastered Bond films in numbers that will cause companies to produce them. I'm not the only one who doesn't even feel like replacing his lower-definition discs by 4K. Count on 8K discs being a niche product that normal customers will never choose to buy, if they are issued at all.

    Physical media are finished. And I don't like it, but I don't deny it, either.
  • Posts: 387
    By 8K remastered, I mean scanned in 8K, and distributed in 4K.
    Even if they don't release them on discs (which would be absurd, these are like printing money), they NEED to do it for the posterity of the series.
    They NEED to do it for any film that has a cultural significance.
    Digital negatives are the future of films, and the old Lowry 4K remastered just aren't up to snatch with today's basic requirements.
    Though the numbers are down (because people now just buy iPhones instead of speakers, amps and players), the market is still healthy. Look at vinyl, it made a come-back. Society is evolving, physical isn't going anywhere but up from now on.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I hope the dart from Holly's diary will be back in a future MR release.
  • weboffearweboffear Scotland
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    physical media is most certainly not dead , but it is becoming more niche , if you are interested in classic film as i am physical media is very healthy , White Christmas from 1954 has just come out on 4k and that was given a 6k scan , the problem is 4k discs are 5 to 6 times more expensive to produce than blu ray , so individual releases probably will be £30 each , your guess is as good as mine how expensive a complete box set would be
  • zb007zb007 UK
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    mtm wrote: »
    I hope the dart from Holly's diary will be back in a future MR release.

    The fairly deadly diary edition
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Stamper wrote: »
    By 8K remastered, I mean scanned in 8K, and distributed in 4K.

    What other movies have been remastered in 8K, especially on the scale of Bond films??
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Apparently the newly discovered film trims from FRWL and GF, 12 mins of which were screened over the weekend at the Kaleidoscope Missing Believed Wiped event, will be featured on the new 4K releases.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’ve never heard of these. Do one of the trims include the last minute trims like when Bond examines the sex film at the end of FRWL (which would also mean restoring Red Grant’s “what a performance” line)?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 16 Posts: 17,800
    I just bought my favourite Craig Bond on 4K (SPECTRE). I felt the Blu ray was (more than) a bit lacking. Most of my other Bond blu rays look pretty great, so even though I don't *need* them upgraded, it'd be rather fun to get a few like GF, YOLT & Dalton's two.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I’ve never heard of these. Do one of the trims include the last minute trims like when Bond examines the sex film at the end of FRWL (which would also mean restoring Red Grant’s “what a performance” line)?

    They're newly found, screened for the first time last weekend. I believe they contain some elements from some screentests as well as from the shooting of the movies, I don't think there's any sound.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Do we know when these new trims are coming out?
  • Definitely feel like we are due for a brand new 4K Bluray set. Would also love some new documentaries or behind the scenes. Maybe Pierce or Daniel would be willing to do some audio commentaries?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Definitely feel like we are due for a brand new 4K Bluray set. Would also love some new documentaries or behind the scenes. Maybe Pierce or Daniel would be willing to do some audio commentaries?

    Given Brosnan's GoldenEye watchalong, and Craig's current attitude towards Bond in the press, I would think that they would not be willing! Always welcome new behind the scenes content though. I'm holding out hope for a better looking NTTD Steelbook one day.
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