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Nobody's perfect. I'd much rather have BB and MGW, who might make mistakes but at the end of the day really get Bond and understand why it's so special, than have them sell up to Disney or someone, who might make more consistently solid films on a more regular basis but they'll all feel the same and lacking in any real magic or sense of identity.
Out of interest Panchito what is it you do for a living? You keep demanding to see what ColonelSun has worked on, I'd like to know what makes you think you'd be so qualified to do a better job in BB's shoes other than your time spent on internet forums.
All productions, big or small, have to deal with getting a script right (which u now seem to agree is difficult), and that includes dealing with the opinions of financiers, execs, and distribution etc. But to say the size of the film, and therefore its budget, is irrelevant is, once again very, very naive, because the bigger the budget, the greater the risk, and therefore the pressure increases - obviously. Bond films are under huge pressure to deliver - and it's bloody hard, especially after 24 official films over 50 years.
Just look at the recent developments with Star Wars and the firings. Those directors who have recently got fired come from independent or lower budget films which they had more creative control over. The reason those directors have come unstuck on Star Wars is because they didn't work well under the pressure of a big budget and, with it, studio control/interference/opinions (right or wrong) etc. The more money there is, the more pressure there is. And you have to be very experienced and very good to deal with those pressures - just as BB is.
November 2012: MGM announces during an investor call that John Logan has been hired to write Bond 24 and Bond 25. This confirmed an October story in Deadline: Hollywood.
Logan did have other projects, including a play and a television series.
mid-2013: Based on the Sony hacks, a treatment is hammered out. In the interim, it went from being a two-picture arc to one.
July 2013: Release date (fall 2015) is announced. Also announces return of Mendes as director.
March 2014: First draft submitted
June 2014: Bamigboye reports Purvis & Wade brought back to rewrite the script. This isn't confirmed until early December media event at Pinewood with Mendes as the host.
July 2014: Bamigboye reports Purvis & Wade deliver their first draft, it's said to be substantially different than the Logan drafts.
November 2014: New Yorker magazine publishes profile of Jez Butterworth. Notes he worked on Skyfall and is working on new film as well.
December 2014: Gawker publishes post with details of recent drafts.
Still she failed at what is probably the most important trait of a producer/supervisor. For the life of me I can't imagine a scenario in which I - asthe producer - wouldn't have jumped in whoever's face suggesting that Blofeld could be Bond's foster brother.
To my mind you just disqualified yourself for that discussion. You obviously don't get the point.
Any producer would be very happy, I think to take credit (or some of it) for SF. I know you cant please everyone but it generally pleased the critics, the bank balance and the mainstream audience.
So when a project goes pear shape (SP did IMHO ), the producer has to take some of the blame. Some very poor decisions were taken re SP at the highest level.
I didn't say she didn't, but let's not conflate the two. Taking issue with that editorial decision does not suddenly make 'insert keyboard warrior' a better Producer than Barbara.
We'd have all baulked at the concept of Blofeld being Bond's foster-brother (although on a purely technical level, he isn't), but it's hard to know exactly what was pitched and harder to know their thought processes.
Without going into the details of what and how it 'may' have been conceived (a largely redundant process because the majority dislike it regardless) I can only imagine they took the monumental success of SF's rather different take as licence to take further liberties and they gambled on its execution.
Part of the rationale might have been that '06 and beyond is a clearly delineated era that has wholly separated itself (save on a superficial level) from the preceding era of '62-02.
With that in mind the licence to experiment seems more justified. Fail to land the idea and you're covered somewhat by the ideas impact falling squarely on this era, but not on that preceding it or immediately following it. Your 'experiment' is contained within its own narrative. The creative decisions effect this and only this era, a gamble they (and I include Craig in that) were willing to take.
For that reason, terms like 'Dereliction of duty', seem a bit hyperbolic to me. Will the current Blofeld be back for one final film? Possibly, but beyond that they'll simply move on. He'll no doubt return again at some point in the future with a full reset and not even a whiff of sibling rivalry in the air.
No offence, but I've never met any other experienced, professional writer who uses the phrase LOL.
Oh, and you'd be surprised how many renowned writers would turn down a Bond. I know of one specifically who passed on B25. It's far from an easy process.
Not every writer is a 50 year old politically correct man? I don't know many people who spell the word "offence" wrong....
Pretty sure I was addressing @barryt007, my friend. But hey, since you're obviously the authority here. :)
Nothing you said invalidates my post. Mendes said in interviews that saw potential in the foster brother approach and exploring that angle is what lured him back. Sam Mendes, the fella who made the highest grossing Bond of all time. As I'm sure our posters here who actually work in the industry can attest, it can be difficult to predict which ideas work and which don't.
Sorry, you're going to have to explain the politically correct comment.
It's definitely, 'offence'. The English language, son. It's beautiful.
Actually "Offense" is the American way of saying it. I am assuming you are a non American?
Obviously. I'm an Englishman writing in English. Hence my comment.
Offense > Offence
Can you stop spamming. Thanks.
Inbetween step 4 and 5 you missed one:
Step 4a: If it's still rubbish parachute P&W in and everything will be fine.
Come on mate; you're better than cowering behind semantics. Foster brother, half brother, adopted brother, work colleague, tennis partner, use the same gym, once met at a bus stop it matters not.
Brofeld was a turd of an idea frosted with diarrhoea icing and garnished with rabbit droppings and anyone who signed off on it, despite the good things that they might have done for the series (I'm being mindful not just to blame Babs here as if MGW is going to get a producers credit then he can take the flak too), is now tainted forever in my eyes.
Pre SP if you'd asked me my thoughts of EON selling up I'd have been horrified but now I'm ambivalent about it and, given Babs seems far more interested in her pet projects and furthering women's rights and MGW just deserves to retire after all he has given to the cause, even think it might well be the shot in the arm we need.
Whilst I don't agree wholesale with @PanchitoPistoles he is 100% correct that you don't start committing money in terms of booking studios, arranging location shooting etc until the script is ready.
I feel many of the problems stem from having a date locked in that has to be met and if the script isn't good to go by a certain date they just have to start filming anyway as there's too much invested to push the release date back. Why they don't have people already working on scripts for 2 films down the line so that when the time comes they are in decent shape is beyond me. I'd be fairly certain that Marvel has people knocking around ideas and treatments for films due out in 2020 but EON seem to always think they can bang it out in a few months and everything will be alright on the night.
Oh dear. If you're going to try and slap someone down probably best to try and get your facts right first otherwise, as happened here, you can end up looking very foolish.
I'm going to tell you something: No. You. Can't.
If you could, you'd happily and easily be in the industry, churning out one winner after another. But you're not. You're sitting at your desk, arguing with strangers about how you could write and produce better than the people who have been doing it for years and years!!
SP, no doubt, went off the rails. But it's one film out of 24. They got caught running out of time, and, as producers running the show, they made major mistakes. Like any company that's been in existence for as long as EoN, bad investments/projects will happen. But they know this, and, like all good businesses, they will come back stronger and more focused.
It's weird; it seems like the angry posters are taking SP personally, like the producers purposefully set out to make a bad film. Listen guys: they didn't. Every film is a risk, and no one can guarantee any one film's outcome.
Take a deep breath.
Everything's fine.
Okay?... Or;
Go and write that script; and shoot it too (I will wager now that you wouldn't be able to finish a legible script, let alone finance and produce it).
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How about you stop personally attacking people? Just because you don't understand American culture doesn't give you a right to personally attack people. Didn't know people who are writers are banned from saying "lol" and "haha", seriously grow up.
The annoying thing about people who are incompetent in their roles, is that they often are blissfully unaware of their incompetence. So theoretically they can hire a crap scriptwriter, and being crap themselves they'll think it super and skip step 4 anyway.
Lol.
Instead I read all the posts with popping eyeballs; some of our members sound like they suffer from a superiority complex...! Never made a film, nor written a script, but suddenly they can teach Babs and Co a lesson?!?! Boggles the mind!!
Depends how you view I guess? You could say SW has got competition from Bond 25 and also WonderWoman2.
True. If I'm being completely honest, I don't really care. Just looking forward to what they do with Bond.