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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    My observation on this: Making any film is hard work I don't think anyone's denying that BUT when people cite Babs' experience and the such like as a defence it only hammers home just how incompetent the producers behaved given their experience. I respect what she's done for the films and she has been a proven asset; but she's not immune from scrutiny and criticism, especially when it's overwhelmingly justified.
    There's making mistakes and then there's ******* up. EoN did the latter with SP. Seriously, with all the money involved and working against the clock to meet a release date, it's basic common sense to oversee and get frequent updates to see how certain things are coming along, especially regarding the script. Any producer worth their salt knows this. For the sake of argument if one has to turn in a script in 7 months for shooting to start 2 weeks later, one is expected to know that they're on the right path and not end up blindsiding their employer with something so far removed from what should have been. If people want to defend Babs by all means do so but for me personally, she and Wilson ****** up big time and what makes it worse is that, their mismanagement of where the story/script was heading could and should have been easily avoided. It's a simple case of basic communication having not been applied until it was too late.

    We wait 3 to 4 years for these films and as fans naturally, we turn up to support and want to enjoy these films but when those in charge, despite all their years of experience are making colossal errors in judgement at the pivotal creative stages, people have a right to be angry and question the competencies of these so called producers. Its unacceptable; and one doesn't need to be an industry expert to understand this.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    @doubleoego , even the best-prepared films will suffer unforeseeables; it's the nature of the biz.
    SP, in my opinion, fell off the rails at the script stage and never recovered ground. I like to call this flick, a beautiful mess.

    But, as I said before, companies that have been around as long as EoN will make miscalculations; EoN did so in the past, and they will do so in the future. The point is, they're still here. They learn from the mistakes of TMWGG (a film
    I have learned to love), to make TSWLM; they learned from the excess of MR to make FYEO; old man AVTAK to the superior TLD; LTK misfire to GE; DAD to CR; QOS (that I love), to SF...

    Like humans, EoN adapts and changes. They're professionals and know what they are doing. They are not blind to their mistakes. Outside of DC, they know SP was a bore. They will rectify this....!
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    im not worried about the competition with episode 9 its daniels last and if it has a good plot bring it on
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    im not worried about the competition with episode 9 its daniels last and if it has a good plot bring it on

    Is that really news actually? Every year in December we have a Star Wars film these days. "SPECTRE" did fairly OK in December of 2015 against "Star Wars".
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Agreed. Barbara meeting with a female director is more interesting Bond wise.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,591
    Murdock wrote: »
    Agreed. Barbara meeting with a female director is more interesting Bond wise.
    Barbara never met with a female director (that we know of) but stated she would consider one. I'm merely passing on the most recent tidbit at the moment, not the most interesting one.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    im not worried about the competition with episode 9 its daniels last and if it has a good plot bring it on

    Is that really news actually? Every year in December we have a Star Wars film these days. "SPECTRE" did fairly OK in December of 2015 against "Star Wars".

    @Gustav_Graves yeah and spectre was a bad bond movie to a lot of mainstream movie goers and still made almost skyfall imagine a really good bond movie daniels last and oversaturation of star wars people will want see bond again and something different and bond has the ablity too make money fast he was already made like 1/2 a billion in two weeks with spectre and that was just foreign box office if everything goes well bond 25 will easy pass skyfalls 1.1 billion
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,589
    What's the difference between this and SP and The Force Awakens?
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited September 2017 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.

    Yeah, well, that's a fairly easy prediction to make buddy :-).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.

    Yeah, well, that's a fairly easy prediction to make buddy :-).
    Not really. It's the only comparison that matters. 4 years of ticket prices have to be accounted for. No point playing the game of saying it's the 'highest grossing' in nominal terms. I'm just pre-empting that kind of conversation which will begin in earnest 2 odd years from now.

    Let me be more clear. I think B25 will be a weaker performer in the US on a ticket sales basis in comparison to SP (which was weaker than QoS). Global adjusted box office weaker too.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited September 2017 Posts: 3,126
    really the key is not how much bond 25 makes in the foreign box office it has the abiliy to make a billion there its how much it makes domestic because it only makes 200 mill -300 mill in us and overseas 700 mill -800 almost 900 million as you can see very lopsided from past bond film spectre and skyfall either foreign has to go pass a billion or domestic has to get close to a billion both would be great domestic close to a billion and foreign over a billion
    it would really help if the domestic could go up to take pressure off the overseas boxoffice
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.

    Yeah, well, that's a fairly easy prediction to make buddy :-).
    Not really. It's the only comparison that matters. 4 years of ticket prices have to be accounted for. No point playing the game of saying it's the 'highest grossing' in nominal terms. I'm just pre-empting that kind of conversation which will begin in earnest 2 odd years from now.

    Let me be more clear. I think B25 will be a weaker performer in the US on a ticket sales basis in comparison to SP (which was weaker than QoS). Global adjusted box office weaker too.

    As long as the movie is better than "SPECTRE" ;-). And as that matters, this will influence box office as well.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.

    Yeah, well, that's a fairly easy prediction to make buddy :-).
    Not really. It's the only comparison that matters. 4 years of ticket prices have to be accounted for. No point playing the game of saying it's the 'highest grossing' in nominal terms. I'm just pre-empting that kind of conversation which will begin in earnest 2 odd years from now.

    Let me be more clear. I think B25 will be a weaker performer in the US on a ticket sales basis in comparison to SP (which was weaker than QoS). Global adjusted box office weaker too.

    As long as the movie is better than "SPECTRE" ;-). And as that matters, this will influence box office as well.
    Indeed. It can't be worse, that's for sure. I don't think it will matter. My prediction is lower overall adjusted numbers and most likely a better film based on what we know to date.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.

    Yeah, well, that's a fairly easy prediction to make buddy :-).
    Not really. It's the only comparison that matters. 4 years of ticket prices have to be accounted for. No point playing the game of saying it's the 'highest grossing' in nominal terms. I'm just pre-empting that kind of conversation which will begin in earnest 2 odd years from now.

    Let me be more clear. I think B25 will be a weaker performer in the US on a ticket sales basis in comparison to SP (which was weaker than QoS). Global adjusted box office weaker too.

    As long as the movie is better than "SPECTRE" ;-). And as that matters, this will influence box office as well.

    yeah like I said last craig bond movie will get it a boost but if it get really good reviews and is a good bond movie that will get it really soaring
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.

    Yeah, well, that's a fairly easy prediction to make buddy :-).
    Not really. It's the only comparison that matters. 4 years of ticket prices have to be accounted for. No point playing the game of saying it's the 'highest grossing' in nominal terms. I'm just pre-empting that kind of conversation which will begin in earnest 2 odd years from now.

    Let me be more clear. I think B25 will be a weaker performer in the US on a ticket sales basis in comparison to SP (which was weaker than QoS). Global adjusted box office weaker too.

    As long as the movie is better than "SPECTRE" ;-). And as that matters, this will influence box office as well.
    Indeed. It can't be worse, that's for sure. I don't think it will matter. My prediction is lower overall adjusted numbers and most likely a better film based on what we know to date.

    By the way, I think you might like this work I did for the TSWLM score @bondjames ;-):
    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/17270/james-bond-songs-the-studio-album-mix-vs-the-film-version-score-tswlm-complete-sequenced#latest
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    FYI!! Daniel Craig is on tv right now for the hand in hand relief concert and fundraiser. He's answering phone calls.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    If anything I'm glad Bond will be competing with SW at the box office. It'll encourage them even more to give us one helluva movie.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2017 Posts: 10,591
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    FYI!! Daniel Craig is on tv right now for the hand in hand relief concert and fundraiser. He's answering phone calls.
    Let us know if he says anything regarding B25!
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    like I said if you see this it only took two weeks too get to 550 million and this is just spectre imagine the perfect storm and money flooding into eon http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4122&p=s.htm
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    FYI!! Daniel Craig is on tv right now for the hand in hand relief concert and fundraiser. He's answering phone calls.

    they showed him again
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    tabloids are getting in on the fun http://screencrush.com/barbara-broccoli-would-consider-female-directors-for-bond-25/
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    I'm amazed they have such trouble coming up with a decent script. Bond is pretty simple. I have 12 years of pro acting/writing experience. Nothing crazy but enough to know that for a James Bond film you don't throw around "ugly evil lesbian?", "British black guy?" LOL I am pretty sure you could go up to any big script writer and say can you write a James Bond screen play? They'd most likely jump on it. I mean there's a lot of great films out there yet they always stick with Purvis & Wade. Then they go through a series of random writers. Craig's films have been great as a new age Bond series and totally different world/universe but I miss the old Bond. I wish they could really bring that feeling back. I do feel like Bond was more popular when I was a kid in the 90s vs now.

    No offence, but I've never met any other experienced, professional writer who uses the phrase LOL.

    Oh, and you'd be surprised how many renowned writers would turn down a Bond. I know of one specifically who passed on B25. It's far from an easy process.

    Not every writer is a 50 year old politically correct man? I don't know many people who spell the word "offence" wrong....

    Sorry, you're going to have to explain the politically correct comment.

    It's definitely, 'offence'. The English language, son. It's beautiful.

    Actually "Offense" is the American way of saying it. I am assuming you are a non American?


    Obviously. I'm an Englishman writing in English. Hence my comment.

    Offense > Offence

    Is this the title of B25?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    peter wrote: »
    @doubleoego , even the best-prepared films will suffer unforeseeables; it's the nature of the biz.
    SP, in my opinion, fell off the rails at the script stage and never recovered ground. I like to call this flick, a beautiful mess.

    But, as I said before, companies that have been around as long as EoN will make miscalculations; EoN did so in the past, and they will do so in the future. The point is, they're still here. They learn from the mistakes of TMWGG (a film
    I have learned to love), to make TSWLM; they learned from the excess of MR to make FYEO; old man AVTAK to the superior TLD; LTK misfire to GE; DAD to CR; QOS (that I love), to SF...

    Like humans, EoN adapts and changes. They're professionals and know what they are doing. They are not blind to their mistakes. Outside of DC, they know SP was a bore. They will rectify this....!

    I hope you're right but with news confirming yet again the return of P and W...I just hope they know what they're doing this time out.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,811
    bondjames wrote: »
    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.
    More, then. Interesting.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.
    More, then. Interesting.
    No, on an inflation adjusted basis, less. At least based on what I know at the moment (Yann Demange as possible director with Daniel Craig). I could reassess upwards if there is another director, but still believe it will fall short of SP.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited September 2017 Posts: 11,139
    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.

    I agree. I don't see it happening either. SP just about made $200M domestic after 5 and a half month theatrical run but with Wonder Woman, Episode IX and what else is coming out, it doesnt matter if this is billed as Craig's last; this isnt going to be a walk in the park BO wise and it sire as hell ain't gonna be making SF numbers. Obviously it would be great if it did such numbers but the likelihood is, we get a respectable BO figure circa $700million but most importsntly a great Bond film to cherish.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,811
    If they target the China market the sky's the limit.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited September 2017 Posts: 23,883
    doubleoego wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    what are the odds they bring up the release of B25 by a few months?
    Or push it back.

    My prediction is that B25 will not make SP money, inflation adjusted. Hold me to it.

    I agree. I don't see it happening either. SP just about made $200M domestic after 5 and a half month theatrical run but with Wonder Woman, Episode IX and Black Panther coming out in December and February respectively not to mention what else is coming out, it doesnt matter if this is billed as Craig's last; this isnt going to be a walk in the park BO wise and it sire as hell ain't gonna be making SF numbers. Obviously it would be great if it did such numbers but the likelihood is, we get a respectable BO figure circa $700million but most importsntly a great Bond film to cherish.
    Yes, I agree. Even without the competition, people seem to forget that SP rode out of the blocks on the tremendous goodwill of SF. The last film wasn't all that well received critically (despite applause in some markets) and so after four years, I can't see massive enthusiasm for this one going into 2019. SW and WW will have the buzz, the former due to a massive marketing campaign, and the latter due to organic excitement for the sequel to a blockbuster 2017 hit.

    I believe only hardcore fans care about whether this film is Craig's last. Out there in the general market (which is what will make up the bulk of the major box office), I don't think people are all that interested.
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