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Not to mention there are many people who are still salty about the slash my wrist comments even though the context was obvious and Craig has explained on numerous occasions. Fyi I edited my original post re: black panther. I confused the year, that's out Feb 2018 not 2020. Had it been 2020 then SF numbers would have unequivocally been out of the question.
Having said that, it will do very well. Between CR and SP numbers (inflation adjusted) globally.
EDIT: I quite agree. As I've said before, it wasn't the comment so much as the abysmal way they let it play without shutting it down for almost two years.
Finding competent screewriters and getting them to deliver a decent, 120-140 page long Bond script within 1.5 years is not hard, in fact it's one of the easiest thing in the world. Or at least it should be. Apparently it isn't for BB and MGW.
This is exactly the key issue. It seems that BB and MGW are doing a pretty good job running the ship during filming and post-production, but they nearly always mess up pre-production, and especially the screenplay development. The BB+MGW era has 8 movies so far, out of those eight I would say only GE, CR and SF have decent scripts. That's a pretty bad track record.
Well said! Every time a Bond film premieres, BB & MGW say they need some rest before starting working on the next one, and then absolutely nothing gets done in the next at least 6 months. Why can't they just hire a screenwriter first, who would work on the screenplay while they are on holiday for 6 months?
That's just deflection. We are talking about the screenplay development. Hiring the right people, and getting them to deliver you a decent 120-140 sparse pages in 1.5 years should NOT be a logistic nightmare.
I am not blaming the screenwriters here. I am blaming the people who simply needed to hire screenwiters and get them deliver a decent script in 1.5 years.
I note you've slyly retreated to this now being purely about 'script development' and no longer about half the forums ability to do a better job of producing than Barbara, so maybe you aren't quite as belligerent as you appear.
It would do you well to listen to those who have experience and expertise; you might even learn a thing or two.
You keep taking about hiring screenwriters to write a 'good' script being the easiest thing in the world. For producers, screenwriters, directors... this is laughably naive. Guess what... you could get Aaron Sorkin to write 'the greatest Bond screenplay ever written' and it still wouldn't make it to screen in anywhere near the shape it started. That's the nature of the beast.
Are you off your meds? I NEVER wrote half the forum would do a better job of producing than BB. I wrote "a large percentage", and considering what we are talking about (Bond fans being better at producing a Bon film than BB+MGW or not), 30 or even just 20% can be considered large. Btw, I absolutely still maintain that a large percentage of people regularly posting here would do a better job at producing Bond 25 or any Bond film.
As for retreating "to this now being purely about 'script development'", it was ALWAYS about script development and issues related to that (like making specific arrengements related to filming while the script is still being written, and not just polished).
It really is. Nolan can write AND direct AND produce a pretty damn good movie every two years. Now that is difficult. Why can't BB+MGW hire competent writers and get them write a decent script in 1.5 years?
Are you now claiming someone like Jez Butterworth is not a competent writer?
Dunkirk certainly isn't the masterpiece some people would have you believe it is.
So, amongst all the other stuff you've imagined you're now trying trying to convince me that 20% constitutes a large percentage? You're flailing, mate.
You're right about the writing but wrong I think about popularity. Craig has obviously taken Bond to new heights (at least in the post Connery era).
Unless you're referring to computer games of course!
Bit concerning about SW. Sure EON won't be wanting this.
Precisely.
With Bond you need a decent plot, decent set pieces and decent new characters (but they dont need to have that much depth). We dont need massive speechs or massive plot twists. The templates that work are already there to see. and its this formalula that people look forward to seeing when they go to see a Bond movie. Its about ticking the boxes.
So, for example, part of the formula is the big/massive explosion/action set piece at the end followed by an shorter emotional or fun scene. This is what I believe people want and takes us back to the glory days of Bond. Even Skyfall stuck to this.
I know there are writers on the forum but I genuiely dont understand why finding a decent (not genuis but a good solid effort) script seems to be such an issue.
It's not rocket science.
I can't comment on people's script development or writing capabilities here, but I do know they could have given us a far more coherent effort last time out. There were too many elements that were cliched and felt derivative. Moreover, there were plot strands which were poorly developed and didn't hold together, like Nine Eyes & that "c". I realize there was tension on the set and disagreements (Craig not wanting to commit to two up front, FIennes not wanting to be the mole etc.) and perhaps this necessitated changes mid stream that messed things up.
Bottom line is it felt like a 'too many cooks' style script which then was papered over with formulaic touches, just like TND (which also had issues from my memory).
I agree - It's considerably harder! To get the balance right between being formulaic and doing something interesting and againt the Bond 'template' is very difficult indeed. It takes great skill to write a Bond film, particularly at this point in the series.
The Sony criticisms were very vaild. You also need that criticism to help make the best film possible - it can be very valuable having that outsiders' input - conversely it can also be detrimental. Barbara Broccoli's frustrations at the restrictions being placed on her in those emails is equally valid.
We're having this discussion because many weren't pleased with what we got last time out. Shocked to the point of disbelief in some cases. It's understandable.
They've got four years to sort this out this time around, and I sincerely hope they're using their time wisely.
If they deliver a cracker in 2019 all will be forgotten. Fans are a bit finicky that way.
The negativity surrounding Spectre from some quarters is quite hyperbolic though. Sure, it has many flaws, but you'd think it was the worst film ever from some people.
And at the end of the day, dare I say it, it is just a movie.
You say Craig's the only one been talking, which suggests you want MGW and BB to talk to you, what would you want them to tell you?
"We have made a mistake!"
What mistake would that be?
The second part of your statement is an incorrect conclusion. The suggestion is not there, even though you assumed it. I don't expect them to tell us anything at this point. From what we know, they don't even have a distributor, who has override power on many elements at play.
Bottom line is we have no reason to be positive or negative at this point. There are far too many variables still.