No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 16,163
    Roadphill wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with getting good directors.

    Just not ones that try to turn Bond into high art.

    Precisely. I don't want a director pretentious enough to sacrifice the gunbarrel, for instance for the sake of an artistic blurry opening shot of Craig.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    TripAces wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    What on earth is wrong with hiring A-list directors? Some may disagree, but Villeneuve happens to be one of the best people in the industry for the job. The fact that he's considered A-list is irrelevant other than from a financial standpoint. I don't see why some are so fixated on EON resorting to unknown B-listers when they can be getting the best of the best.

    There is nothing wrong with it. Mendes' work on SF and SP was fantastic. SP had script problems that plagued it; nevertheless, it was a top-notch production, beautifully shot, well-scored, with some brilliant moments.


    As for DV...

    Perhaps part of the "discussion" is Babs and DC helping to Exec Produce Dune. Or, at least, getting WB to back it.

    WB distributed Prisoners and BR2049. If WB has won the distribution for Bond, one has to wonder how this factors into bringing DV on board. Think about it: Bond 25 is certain to be BO Gold for DV; this would give him back-to-back hits for WB, who would then likely give him carte blanche on Dune.
    Interesting. Also, someone on here referencing an article claimed Dune isn't happening for another 5-6 years, which if correct, will mean the only real scheduling conflict would be The Son starring Jake Gyllenhaal (which I don't believe has a release date locked in).
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,425
    I for one am not going to defend the choice of Mendes. I couldn't stand SF. I sensed he was not 'right' for Bond right from the start - although the popcorn munching hordes clearly disagree.

    I thought Tamahori was an interesting choice at the time - how wrong I was. I think I was if the view that nothing could be worse than TWINE- on that at least I think I was actually right.

    I also thought Forster was a potentially good choice and for me at least he did a decent job of it, especially considering he was handed an unfinished script.

    Villeneuve seems like an all round good fit. I hope we get a little less of the portentousness we had in Arrival and Sicario. But if Craig is going out on a faithful YOLT adeptation, may be Villeneuves signature style is the right one.
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    I think everyone who is hanging on the critical reception of Blade Runner are missing the point.

    Blade Runner(at least going on the first, which is a classic) is quite a ponderous, existential film. That's not a knock on it, as I said its a classic. And that type of material is perfect for someone like Villeneuve.

    The problem is, Bond film aren't, nor should they ever be, like that at all. They are action drama's/male fantasies.

    Sicarrio is a high octane, edge of the seat thriller. Denis Villeneuve has what it takes to do Bond, no question in my mind - and obviously Eon and Craig feel the same.

    As much as I appreciate Sicarrio, but high-octane? Actually I find it quite slow paced and lacking in the amount of thrilling scenes.

    Well, for me, Sicario has terrific pace, tons of suspense and superb editing and staging. It was a great commercial and critical success. I saw it in a packed cinema and the audience were gripped for sure. I think, whether you personally like or get Sicario or not, the film has a very strong filmmaker at the helm. That's what Bond needs.

    You may love the pace, be scared shitless by its suspense and whatever else that suits your fancy , but still it's not a high octane film. It's that easy.

    Ok. So what? It is very gripping. The point I'm making is that the filmmaking is top notch and the man's a very, very good director and, I think, if he does it, he'll make a cracking Bond film.

    I was only questioning your choice of words to describe it.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    Getafix wrote: »
    octofinger wrote: »

    I'd go as far as to say Villeneuve will be the "best" director Bond has ever gotten, akin to have getting Spielberg back in the 80s.

    Interesting thought. One could certainly argue that Mendes came in with a fair few critical plaudits and actually had an Oscar to his name, too - I believe he's still the only one. But his actual film record up to that point against Villeneuve is a tougher call.

    I recently argued in the 'Controversial Opinions' thread that Spectre probably assembled the largest amount of talent on both sides of the camera of any Bond film, and that OHMSS is probably number 2.

    Someone's probably already mentioned it but Forster was fresh from the Oscar Winning Monsters Ball, multi Oscar nominated Finding Neverland and critically acclaimed The Kite Runner when we was picked for QOS. The omens were good. And for some on here QOS is a bit of an under appreciated little gem. For all its faults I personally prefer it over either of Mendes' efforts.

    Same here.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I much rather watch Sicario over all the gun porn action movies that seem so in vogue now.

    Give me a tightly wound, visceral intelligent thriller over all that OTT bullets ballet nonsense.
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    @Shardlake spot on
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2017 Posts: 23,883
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    What are the chances of a distributor being announced on October 5th?
    Pretty slim, I'd say. It would probably leak before an announcement, don't you think? Given the Amazon/Apple discussions only broke in Sep, I think things are still ongoing. These matters take time to resolve given the number of parties and complexities involved.

    BTW, I recently came across this fascinating NYT article. It's from 2015, but it's quite revealing about Babs, Wilson and their opinions on a number of items, including Bond, Craig, Pascal and future distribution.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/08/business/media/a-family-team-looks-for-james-bonds-next-assignment.html

    So she didn't even defend the series history. Not even with a "each film is a product of the time it was made in". It is things such as that, which don't sit well with me.
    Yes, I quite agree. I had a detailed discussion about it with a few other members here yesterday, but it has all been deleted. Rather than repeat it, I'll just say I agree with you. Doesn't sit well with me either, and some comments in the article echo what Craig has also said (he and Babs are on the same page).
    Roadphill wrote: »
    There is nothing wrong with getting good directors.

    Just not ones that try to turn Bond into high art.

    Exactly. Whether or not DV will do that is my concern.
    He can work within an existing framework. It will all depend on Craig and Babs. They will point him in a certain direction and he will do their bidding. The upside is I think he will be able to do it better than Mendes could. I'd expect a blend of SF/QoS. So a little more grit, but certainly some pomposity and themes as well.

    As I said somewhere recently (perhaps it was here), this director has a tendency to make films where the central character faces a moral dilemma. Should he get Bond, I expect such a scenario to confront Craig's Bond.
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    Any chance Villeneuve can do a fun, entertaining Bond, without personal dramas? Don't know any of his films, or his style of filmmaking; just feel Bond needs to be more fun again.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Any chance Villeneuve can do a fun, entertaining Bond, without personal dramas? Don't know any of his films, or his style of filmmaking; just feel Bond needs to be more fun again.
    I've not seen it from him, but I think he is very versatile and so will be able to do whatever the producer/co-producer (and actor) ask him to do. They are the ones who will dictate where this goes for now. I don't think it will be 'fun' in the light hearted old school sense because that's just not the way they've developed this iteration of the character (this is the Craig Bond after all).

    B26 is where the real shakeup occurs tonally, for better (in my view) or for worse.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    DV is arguably the most sought after director in the film industry and on everyone's shortlist. He isn't doing 'anyone's' bidding.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    DV is arguably the most sought after director in the film industry and on everyone's shortlist. He isn't doing 'anyone's' bidding.
    Of course not. Certainly not in a literal sense. I should have written my point more clearly. He'll make a film that fits within the parameters set by Craig and Broccoli. If he gets it, this will be his first go around. Craig has a lot of experience now, and most probably a quite clear vision of what he wants up there for his last one. That's why he's back after all.
  • EndCredit007EndCredit007 EGYPT
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    i guess Denis Villeneuve will be Bond25 director and it would be announced sometime after the release of Blade runner 2049 to give it more publicity power, and the great Roger Deakins would come back to helm the picture back again on the Arri Alexa digital cameras like Skyfall and BR2049 and all rececnt works by both Deakins and Villeneuve, and maybe we could get Hans Zimmer one of the composers of BR2049 or the regular Villeneuve composer Johann Johannsson, and it would be distributed by Warner Bros In USA and Sony Pictures in the rest of the world, ...

    and will end my daytime dream wishing Denis Villeneuve a happy birthday for he is turning 50 years old today :)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The last thing Bond needs is Hans Zimmer.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited October 2017 Posts: 16,351
    He's ruined enough movie franchises with his bland noise... :(
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    The last thing Bond needs is Hans Zimmer.
    Murdock wrote: »
    He's ruined enough movie franchises with his bland noise... :(

    Agreed. Also, are your private messages not working @Clark?
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Have to admit I don't fully understand the hate around Zimmer. I've lost count of the times I've enjoyed a score, checked the credits and discovered it was old Hans.

    Give me Zimmer over Newman any day. He's one of the outstanding composers of his generation - seems fitting he should have a crack at Bond. Can't be worse than the SF-SP recycling.
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    If villeneuve is hired which i truly believe he will be announced thursday then he will be the second directer after forster to not be from the UK.

    Martin Campbell's not from the UK.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    If Zimmer did a Bond score I can guarentee the Bond theme will be non existant on it. Zimmer, where themes and memorability go to die.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    If Zimmer did a Bond score I can guarentee the Bond theme will be non existant on it. Zimmer, where themes and memorability go to die.

    The M:I theme was quite prominent in M:I 2.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Dennison wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    If Zimmer did a Bond score I can guarentee the Bond theme will be non existant on it. Zimmer, where themes and memorability go to die.

    The M:I theme was quite prominent in M:I 2.

    And it was awful. That screechy rock guitar version was in insult to that theme.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    If Zimmer did a Bond score I can guarentee the Bond theme will be non existant on it. Zimmer, where themes and memorability go to die.

    The M:I theme was quite prominent in M:I 2.

    And it was awful. That screechy rock guitar version was in insult to that theme.

    True! But it was there. And he didn't use 'The Plot' which is another great Lalo Schiffrin theme.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Dennison wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    If Zimmer did a Bond score I can guarentee the Bond theme will be non existant on it. Zimmer, where themes and memorability go to die.

    The M:I theme was quite prominent in M:I 2.

    And it was awful. That screechy rock guitar version was in insult to that theme.

    True! But it was there. And he didn't use 'The Plot' which is another great Lalo Schiffrin theme.

    I can imagine if he used it, it would sound like his Wonder Woman theme. =))
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,425
    These descriptions of his scores is not one I recognise. What about Gladiator, Sherlock Holmes, 12 Years a Slave. All good and very varied scores IMO. I'm sure he's done some clunkers but to dismiss him out of hand is absurd. He seems a good collaborator as well, like Barry, so there could be great potential to work in the title track.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited October 2017 Posts: 16,351
    I've given them a chance, They just don't do it for me.

    Black Rain is the only score he's done that I think is great and memorable. But that was 1989 Zimmer and he's not coming back.
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    Dennison wrote: »
    If villeneuve is hired which i truly believe he will be announced thursday then he will be the second directer after forster to not be from the UK.

    Martin Campbell's not from the UK.

    Correct - he's a Kiwi. So is Lee Tamahori and ) Spottiswoode was born in Canada.

    Forster is the only one not from the British Commonwealth though.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    If villeneuve is hired which i truly believe he will be announced thursday then he will be the second directer after forster to not be from the UK.

    Martin Campbell's not from the UK.

    Correct - he's a Kiwi. So is Lee Tamahori and ) Spottiswoode was born in Canada.

    Forster is the only one not from the British Commonwealth though.

    Terence Young was also born in China and Guy Hamilton was born in Paris :)
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Any chance Villeneuve can do a fun, entertaining Bond, without personal dramas? Don't know any of his films, or his style of filmmaking; just feel Bond needs to be more fun again.
    I've not seen it from him, but I think he is very versatile and so will be able to do whatever the producer/co-producer (and actor) ask him to do. They are the ones who will dictate where this goes for now. I don't think it will be 'fun' in the light hearted old school sense because that's just not the way they've developed this iteration of the character (this is the Craig Bond after all).

    B26 is where the real shakeup occurs tonally, for better (in my view) or for worse.

    @bondjames This is one of the things that has really frustrated me about this era. They are completely shackled to one style and tone.

    The series always worked better when we had regular shifts in tone, it helped keep things fresh. FRWL-GF. YOLT-OHMSS. MR-FYEO...I think you get my drift. To have four, and now most likely five films that all roughly have the same tone is too much.

    What felt fresh as a daisy in 2006 with CR now feels very, very stale.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited October 2017 Posts: 4,516
    Stil like to see Peter Weir as directer/3th writer.

    Marc Forster, Sam Mendes and a bit Martin Scorsese.

    With Lee Smith, Dennis Gassner return. I like to see van Hoytema return or Russell Boyd as dop, but mabey even with Deankins. I prefer film or atleast daylight scenes look more like Spectre. I only think Mexico City scene was to short or atleast much effect by repeat of music.

    My expections we will get Germany and Spain as locations. I prefer limited use of England/mabey even ignored till the end after one view and whant a return to l' American to pick up Vesper video.

    More screentime for Felix, Camile in/and the story more inportent then Moneypenny, M, Q or Astin Martin.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @bondjames, I went to bed shortly after my last exchange with you on Sunday, re: GF and the haystack scene. I was surprised to see our conversation was deleted by the time I woke up the following morning!

    It was an interesting conversation, not at all controversial, but I suppose could have been moved to the controversial thread since we were heading a little off topic here.

    Did I miss something after I left the discussion? Was something untoward launched?
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