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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I was under the impression that the Blackberry OS was still the most secure.
    Then again, any OS can be hacked. Blackberry is a bit... too college girly, in my opinion.
  • Hmm... reading that article, Naomie says she and Craig have "the greatest chemistry on the screen". I see the exact opposite of it. Her Moneypenny and Craig's Bond try but don't succeed in developing that "chemistry". I don't see it at all.

    Yeah they might be good mates in real life but on screen it feels so forced, especially compared to Connery and Maxwell, Brosnan and Bond (the two best Bond/MP pairings imo). To be fair though she wouldn't be doing her job if she didn't big up the film and her part in it.

    I think she's one of the best actresses working, so I've been really disappointed when it comes to her as Moneypenny. Just isn't working which is a shame.

    I think the character is kind of redundant but if we're going to be swinging the axe at the scooby gang surely Tanner should be first to the chopping block. Moneypenny could easily do the exposition and the following M around as well as flirting with Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    There could be some politics at play too. Bond is huge business. At one point in 2016 desperate MGM came close to selling the operation to the Chinese (and they are part owners of the rights). I think the deal fell through due to politics. I can imagine that was a major wakeup call to Hollywood and everyone else (including tech companies looking to enter the fray). Content is king.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    That is why Naomie should’ve just been Eve. Not Moneypenny. If anything, I’d love to see Keeley Hawes as Moneypenny.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    That is why Naomie should’ve just been Eve. Not Moneypenny. If anything, I’d love to see Keeley Hawes as Moneypenny.
    I agree on both counts. They should stop trying to recreate these old characters. They were on the right path with Wade and Charles Robinson (perhaps poorly executed, but at least they were going in a new direction). Same goes for all the new villains they had during the 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's until they got you know who's rights back.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Hmm... reading that article, Naomie says she and Craig have "the greatest chemistry on the screen". I see the exact opposite of it. Her Moneypenny and Craig's Bond try but don't succeed in developing that "chemistry". I don't see it at all.

    Yeah they might be good mates in real life but on screen it feels so forced, especially compared to Connery and Maxwell, Brosnan and Bond (the two best Bond/MP pairings imo). To be fair though she wouldn't be doing her job if she didn't big up the film and her part in it.

    I think she's one of the best actresses working, so I've been really disappointed when it comes to her as Moneypenny. Just isn't working which is a shame.

    I think the character is kind of redundant but if we're going to be swinging the axe at the scooby gang surely Tanner should be first to the chopping block. Moneypenny could easily do the exposition and the following M around as well as flirting with Bond.

    Sorry to disappoint any Harris haters but she's going nowhere.

    A black woman in a franchise about a white, male, Eton educated, government assassin perpetuating Britain's disgusting imperialism across the globe is worth more than her weight in box ticking gold.

    In this particular instance I'm happy to get on board with the multiethnic feminazis and agree that if someone is for the axe let Rory be the fall guy.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Hmm... reading that article, Naomie says she and Craig have "the greatest chemistry on the screen". I see the exact opposite of it. Her Moneypenny and Craig's Bond try but don't succeed in developing that "chemistry". I don't see it at all.

    Yeah they might be good mates in real life but on screen it feels so forced, especially compared to Connery and Maxwell, Brosnan and Bond (the two best Bond/MP pairings imo). To be fair though she wouldn't be doing her job if she didn't big up the film and her part in it.

    I think she's one of the best actresses working, so I've been really disappointed when it comes to her as Moneypenny. Just isn't working which is a shame.

    I think the character is kind of redundant but if we're going to be swinging the axe at the scooby gang surely Tanner should be first to the chopping block. Moneypenny could easily do the exposition and the following M around as well as flirting with Bond.

    Sorry to disappoint any Harris haters but she's going nowhere.

    A black woman in a franchise about a white, male, Eton educated, government assassin perpetuating Britain's disgusting imperialism across the globe is worth more than her weight in box ticking gold.

    In this particular instance I'm happy to get on board with the multiethnic feminazis and agree that if someone is for the axe let Rory be the fall guy.

    Yes, the character is black now, and once they go black they never go back.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Hmm... reading that article, Naomie says she and Craig have "the greatest chemistry on the screen". I see the exact opposite of it. Her Moneypenny and Craig's Bond try but don't succeed in developing that "chemistry". I don't see it at all.

    Yeah they might be good mates in real life but on screen it feels so forced, especially compared to Connery and Maxwell, Brosnan and Bond (the two best Bond/MP pairings imo). To be fair though she wouldn't be doing her job if she didn't big up the film and her part in it.

    I think she's one of the best actresses working, so I've been really disappointed when it comes to her as Moneypenny. Just isn't working which is a shame.

    I think the character is kind of redundant but if we're going to be swinging the axe at the scooby gang surely Tanner should be first to the chopping block. Moneypenny could easily do the exposition and the following M around as well as flirting with Bond.

    Sorry to disappoint any Harris haters but she's going nowhere.

    A black woman in a franchise about a white, male, Eton educated, government assassin perpetuating Britain's disgusting imperialism across the globe is worth more than her weight in box ticking gold.

    In this particular instance I'm happy to get on board with the multiethnic feminazis and agree that if someone is for the axe let Rory be the fall guy.

    Yes, the character is black now, and once they go black they never go back.
    I've contemplated whether it would be possible. I think you're right. Perhaps this means the same for Felix. If they switch there will be intense media pressure for a minority actor. Unless they go Asian or something.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Kingpin in Daredevil, who was a white character, was played by a black actor. In the new TV series, the character is white again. So, yes, MP and Felix can both be white again. That’s how they originated. Same goes for Harvey Dent from the Batman films.
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 1,314
    Anyone who has a problem with moneypenny being black, particularly as Bond went to Eton can quite frankly go and f*ck themselves.

    Same with anyone who has a problem with Rey being female. The original trilogy has maybe 2 female English speaking roles.

    Leia and mon mothma. Oh and the slave girl who gets eaten by the rancor for not dancing on demand.

    Half the world is female. It's about time they got a fairer deal in film.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Anyone who has a problem with moneypenny being black, particularly as Bond went to Eton can quite frankly go and f*ck themselves.
    I've not read here that anyone has a problem with it. That's not the point. The discussion was around whether she should remain so with the next iteration. Not in my view. It's open season again once Harris is out as far as I'm concerned.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Sorry chaps, but isn't this considered spamming?

    just having a little fun... an indirect way of taking the piss out of all of us.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    edited October 2017 Posts: 1,756
    Hmm... reading that article, Naomie says she and Craig have "the greatest chemistry on the screen". I see the exact opposite of it. Her Moneypenny and Craig's Bond try but don't succeed in developing that "chemistry". I don't see it at all.
    To Naomie:
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    You can just tell Craig doesn't find her attractive at all and is faking it. It's painful.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited October 2017 Posts: 15,423
    You can just tell Craig doesn't find her attractive at all and is faking it. It's painful.
    Agreed.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It's pretty bad, agreed. Not quite as painful as how he reacts to Seydoux though.

    I saw CR last night and it's night and day when he's interacting with Green.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I don't think it has anything about "attraction" and everything to do with what they're asked to do in the script-- suffice to say I liked the duo better in SF than I do in SP.

    But I'm also of the mind we never needed to bring MP into this era (nor Q).
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Anyone who has a problem with moneypenny being black, particularly as Bond went to Eton can quite frankly go and f*ck themselves.

    I'm not quite sure I follow your logic here. What is the link to Bond going to Eton that makes you react in such a way?

    The implication is that someone who had a problem with Moneypenny being black wouldn't need to go and f-bomb themselves to the same extent if Bond had gone to Brixton comp?

    Isn't it tiring sitting on your sanctimonious high horse all day desperately hunting for something to be offended about?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    It's pretty bad, agreed. Not quite as painful as how he reacts to Seydoux though.

    I saw CR last night and it's night and day when he's interacting with Green.
    Oh that’s true. Seydoux and Craig lack that chemistry, and it’s even more painful when they make us believe that Madeleine and Bond are in love. Sorry, but that doesn’t cut it at all.

    Eva Green and Craig on the other hand... Never have I felt as strong for a Bond Girl, if at all I felt for any of them (discounting Tracy, her death upsets me) as I felt for Vesper. Green was born for that part.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    bondjames wrote: »
    It's pretty bad, agreed. Not quite as painful as how he reacts to Seydoux though.

    I saw CR last night and it's night and day when he's interacting with Green.

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    There's really no news eh :-P.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    There's really no news eh :-P.
    ...like bad news. :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Eva Green and Craig on the other hand... Never have I felt as strong for a Bond Girl, if at all I felt for any of them (discounting Tracy, her death upsets me) as I felt for Vesper. Green was born for that part.
    Two scenes really stand out for me. One is when she strolls into that casino. Unbelievable. The other is when she's at the dressing table without all the eyeliner and so on. Quite stunning. She tends to go full on vamp in many of her roles but I much prefer her when she plays demure.
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 1,314
    Matt007 wrote: »
    Anyone who has a problem with moneypenny being black, particularly as Bond went to Eton can quite frankly go and f*ck themselves.

    I'm not quite sure I follow your logic here. What is the link to Bond going to Eton that makes you react in such a way?

    The implication is that someone who had a problem with Moneypenny being black wouldn't need to go and f-bomb themselves to the same extent if Bond had gone to Brixton comp?

    Isn't it tiring sitting on your sanctimonious high horse all day desperately hunting for something to be offended about?

    Well firstly my response isn't directed entirely at you - I have read opinions over the years about Harris being cast *purely/mainly* because she was black.

    Secondly I'm not offended. I have no idea why you would think that. I'm guessing you're trying to undermine my post by going down the Farage/trump route of assuming anyone who has an opinion is either a Leftie, a snowflake or someone who takes offence. I don't take offence to anything really. I just have opinions which I share in public. Thanks.

    You actually said you were happy to side with the 'multi ethnic feminazis.' Which iniusates you think that's what a Harris supporter is.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Nobody here feels strongly against Moneypenny being a black nor anybody has said it.

    But, what you're insinuating here by your previous post is that people can be damned for disliking the idea of making Bond female just for the sake of diversity, while you would encourage it, am I right?
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    Is this one for me?

    No I think the idea of a female bond is ridiculous.
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    My main discussion point is the term "multi ethnic feminazis".

    Who are these people?

    The ones who like Harris?
    The ones who employed Harris?
    The one who maintain Harris?

    rory kinear is (quite rightly) derided on here for being a nobody in the role of tanner. But there are no criticisms or arguments made for him based on his gender or skin colour. Maybe eon like him. Maybe he signed a multi picture contract. Maybe he's cheap(!). Maybe Harris is all those things but she gets different assumptions made for her.

    No one tries that line with Caroline Bliss's 'performances' - now she really was the worst moneypenny. Dear god!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I shouldn't speak for the Wiz, but I believe he was commenting generally on a culture that increasingly and vocally pushes a diversity platform on us for everything.

    I believe in fair play. However I'm not partial to affirmative action for the sake of it. Best person for the job is my motto, while recognizing that it's more difficult for minorities in general and therefore the selection process should ensure that they get a fair shake.

    I don't believe that a film necessarily needs to reflect the ethnic diversity of a nation for example, but am not against change either.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Bliss was terrible.

    I didn't want MP back in this time line.... Lois Maxwell will never be matched, both with her time in history (where secretaries sat behind desks), and the men and scripts she was working from. These scripts barely asked her to step outside of the office (it made sense in OHMSS and LALD; it DID NOT make sense in AVTAK).

    In so far as what they give her, I do rate Harris as second to Maxwell....
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    You could search and look up in all those pages and find none of these "assumptions" as you put it. Nobody is making assumptions for Harris being part of a specific "skin colour". Her character is likable... was likable in Skyfall. At least in the PTS. This comes from someone who dislikes that film thoroughly. What she doesn't have is the chemistry with Craig, and the scenes between Bond and Moneypenny don't bode well in the slightest. Particularly in Spectre. And that also has to do with the writing.

    You can also find on the forum that everybody puts Caroline Bliss down as a weak Moneypenny mainly because of her performance, and not because of her gender identity. Madeleine Swann isn't celebrated here, either, whereas Vesper Lynd is. You're creating melodrama out of nowhere.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The reason I don't like Harris (as I've said before) has to do with the fact that she comes across as more of an action girl than a behind the desk type. She is naturally better for the field imho (at least that's how she comes across to me). So even though her character is framed as a field incompetent in SF, I found her credible running around and holding / shooting a gun. I find her less credible being all dressed up behind a desk. I just find it doesn't suit her.
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