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  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Will Monica Bellucci Return as ‘Bond Girl’ Along With Daniel Craig?
    variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    On Tuesday evening in Rome, where she was feted with the Virna Lisi lifetime achievement award, Bellucci smiled at reporters who asked her to comment on the rumors, telling them: “I can’t say anything.”
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Will Monica Bellucci Return as ‘Bond Girl’ Along With Daniel Craig?
    variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    On Tuesday evening in Rome, where she was feted with the Virna Lisi lifetime achievement award, Bellucci smiled at reporters who asked her to comment on the rumors, telling them: “I can’t say anything.”
    Very interesting. If she simply wasn't asked to return, I don't see a reason for her to be coy.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    writer5150 wrote: »
    Interesting lines of discourse. I see both MR and SP in the same camp, though they are worlds apart in execution -- they both are exercises in missed opportunity. MR actually had a great plot -- one clue led to another and another piece of the puzzle. A shuttle, a logo, an octagonal blueprint, a glass factory, a mysterious liquid, etc. The comedy got in the way. In SP, the right balance of humor and drama was there, but there was little to no edge to it. Compare the fight on the train in FRWL to the one in SP (and they want you too, make no mistake). The SP fight felt lifeless. or how about that "exciting" low-speed chase through the empty streets of Rome? Or Blofeld's lair which serves no purpose other than to blow up? I think that where good scripting comes into play. It's not enough to have a great plot idea; you need to polish the script so that each and every scene is sharp as a razor's edge ... or as close as you can come to that. I'd love to see a remake of MR because I hated it and know that the same plot, done better, could have been a winner. I mourn the loss of the chance for a great return of Blofeld but after SP, it's too soon to do that again. Just one fan's opinion.

    And a very fair and honest opinion too...I agree.

  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    jake24 wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Will Monica Bellucci Return as ‘Bond Girl’ Along With Daniel Craig?
    variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    On Tuesday evening in Rome, where she was feted with the Virna Lisi lifetime achievement award, Bellucci smiled at reporters who asked her to comment on the rumors, telling them: “I can’t say anything.”
    Very interesting. If she simply wasn't asked to return, I don't see a reason for her to be coy.

    Indeed...this 'rumour' appears to be gathering momentum.

  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Will Monica Bellucci Return as ‘Bond Girl’ Along With Daniel Craig?
    variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    On Tuesday evening in Rome, where she was feted with the Virna Lisi lifetime achievement award, Bellucci smiled at reporters who asked her to comment on the rumors, telling them: “I can’t say anything.”

    Will she be revealed as Nena Blofeld or Irma Bunt in Bond 25 ;-)?? Remember, her last name, "Sciarra" means "troublemaker" in Italian. I'm all in for the return of Bellucci.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I do love that Monica Bellucci is coming back. I do sort of want her to end up with Bond.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    writer5150 wrote: »
    Interesting lines of discourse. I see both MR and SP in the same camp, though they are worlds apart in execution -- they both are exercises in missed opportunity. MR actually had a great plot -- one clue led to another and another piece of the puzzle. A shuttle, a logo, an octagonal blueprint, a glass factory, a mysterious liquid, etc. The comedy got in the way. In SP, the right balance of humor and drama was there, but there was little to no edge to it. Compare the fight on the train in FRWL to the one in SP (and they want you too, make no mistake). The SP fight felt lifeless. or how about that "exciting" low-speed chase through the empty streets of Rome? Or Blofeld's lair which serves no purpose other than to blow up? I think that where good scripting comes into play. It's not enough to have a great plot idea; you need to polish the script so that each and every scene is sharp as a razor's edge ... or as close as you can come to that. I'd love to see a remake of MR because I hated it and know that the same plot, done better, could have been a winner. I mourn the loss of the chance for a great return of Blofeld but after SP, it's too soon to do that again. Just one fan's opinion.

    Excellent post although I would argue that MR unashamedly achieved exactly what it set out to do so you can only really fault on grounds of personal taste (and perhaps a little too much excess) whereas SP tried to bite off more than it could chew and failed miserably to deliver.
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Will Monica Bellucci Return as ‘Bond Girl’ Along With Daniel Craig?
    variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    On Tuesday evening in Rome, where she was feted with the Virna Lisi lifetime achievement award, Bellucci smiled at reporters who asked her to comment on the rumors, telling them: “I can’t say anything.”

    Will she be revealed as Nena Blofeld or Irma Bunt in Bond 25 ;-)?? Remember, her last name, "Sciarra" means "troublemaker" in Italian. I'm all in for the return of Bellucci.

    Christ not more retrofitting to try and make it all make sense:

    'Oberhauser never told you what happened to your sister. James I am you sister.'

    If they're going on with this continuity then Blofeld has to return if not it has to be a clean break. By continuing the story but airbrushing Blofeld out of it you just make bigger fools of yourselves.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Call me sexist, but the truth is that very few people would wants to see a 55 year old Bond girl. Bellucci should not return.
  • patbpatb
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    You are assuming she would be a Bond girl. I posted an idea a few weeks ago that she would make a great SP operative/boss. Her character had a "darkness" about her and she clearly was involved within the group.

    PS you're not sexist, you're ageist: 55 is the new 45 (well that's what my wife says)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2017 Posts: 4,516
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Will Monica Bellucci Return as ‘Bond Girl’ Along With Daniel Craig?
    variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    On Tuesday evening in Rome, where she was feted with the Virna Lisi lifetime achievement award, Bellucci smiled at reporters who asked her to comment on the rumors, telling them: “I can’t say anything.”

    Will she be revealed as Nena Blofeld or Irma Bunt in Bond 25 ;-)?? Remember, her last name, "Sciarra" means "troublemaker" in Italian. I'm all in for the return of Bellucci.

    Nice that you like idea of her return, who i already exspectre after my view in the cinema.

    The main title of Spectre reprent her as ''van je sokkel (voetstuk) vallen''. What mean ''showing your true colors'''

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2017 Posts: 7,550
    patb wrote: »
    You are assuming she would be a Bond girl. I posted an idea a few weeks ago that she would make a great SP operative/boss. Her character had a "darkness" about her and she clearly was involved within the group.

    PS you're not sexist, you're ageist: 55 is the new 45 (well that's what my wife says)

    Agree 100% about Lucia being a SP higher-up, that'd be awesome.
    Also she was very underused in Spectre so I'd love to see her come back.
  • patbpatb
    edited November 2017 Posts: 4,615
    The producers read my post below from early Sept and got her on the phone:

    "I was looking again at Spectre and thinking that a nice twist would be that Lucia was actually a high up Spectre agent and set Bond up for the meeting. This would explain how easily she was seduced and how easily she supplied the intel. Also fits in with "I've been expecting you" as he arranged the set up.

    There was also something "Cruella de Vi" about her so pretty easy to imagine her "on the dark side". Once Bond found this out, he would be angry at her and himself so you have the in built revenge as a plot line (plus the back story that he really did fancy her so we have the mutual sexual chemistry)

    So getting her back as a Spectre agent is interesting IMHO"
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    So for all the people who think this is a good idea I have one question: where does this leave Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

    Is he just forgotten about as the petulant teenager he was or is the shock twist that she is the real boss of SPECTRE?

    Seriously you've got to quit while you're behind and for EON to go down this road would be just Ike bunging the SP script in the microwave and hoping just you heat it all the way through so you don't get a bout of salmonella.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Guys, there will be no mention of spectre likely in bond 25. Let’s look at history.... people did not respond positively to QOS, so did quantum appear in skyfall? No. Spectre arguably has been received even worse by fans and so will spectre appear in the sequel... no. It will definitely be a stand alone probably about getting old or whatever shitty theme skyfall tried to get through to the audience.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited November 2017 Posts: 5,767
    jake24 wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Will Monica Bellucci Return as ‘Bond Girl’ Along With Daniel Craig?
    variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    On Tuesday evening in Rome, where she was feted with the Virna Lisi lifetime achievement award, Bellucci smiled at reporters who asked her to comment on the rumors, telling them: “I can’t say anything.”
    Very interesting. If she simply wasn't asked to return, I don't see a reason for her to be coy.
    Well, it´s an easy way to keep oneself in the headlines.



    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    So for all the people who think this is a good idea I have one question: where does this leave Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

    Is he just forgotten about as the petulant teenager he was or is the shock twist that she is the real boss of SPECTRE?

    Seriously you've got to quit while you're behind and for EON to go down this road would be just Ike bunging the SP script in the microwave and hoping just you heat it all the way through so you don't get a bout of salmonella.
    Oberhauser was a fraud who unrightfully used the name and legend of Blofeld. Much like The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. The real Blofeld comes out of retirement when he hears about this and wreaks havoc big time, the first thing being that he has Oberhauser killed.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Interesting. We could use a new female Bond villain, if that would be Belluci’s role. However, I am wary of how they handle the connection/setup.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Will Monica Bellucci Return as ‘Bond Girl’ Along With Daniel Craig?
    variety.com/2017/film/news/will-monica-bellucci-return-bond-girl-bond-25-1202609803/

    On Tuesday evening in Rome, where she was feted with the Virna Lisi lifetime achievement award, Bellucci smiled at reporters who asked her to comment on the rumors, telling them: “I can’t say anything.”
    Very interesting. If she simply wasn't asked to return, I don't see a reason for her to be coy.
    Well, it´s an easy way to keep oneself in the headlines.

    That is exactly how I see it. I bet she hasn't heard of EON since Spectre.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited November 2017 Posts: 4,399
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    What's obvious though is that people get wound up by radically different things. I agree with you that compared to a lot of the garbage EON has served up over the past 25 years SP is actually a moderately decent entry, but there are those on here who can never overlook or forgive Brofeldgate or the other myriad crimes which SP allegedly commits.

    I find the moaning about SPECTRE as baffling as the praise heaped on Moonraker. But I'm an older fan whose first Bond flick was Live and Let Die. I've seen the trends change. I remember Raymond Benson hailing Licence to Kill as "the best Bond film since Thunderball", the Moore era was so frowned upon!

    But really, this thread is about which direction to go in. And if we're talking about humour versus realism, I'd say SPECTRE struck the right balance. Stylistically, SPECTRE was pretty much spot-on in its tone. The jokes didn't compromise the danger. It just lacked a meaty story that would elevate it from a middling Bond yarn, to a classic Bond flick.

    i really enjoy SP.. but it's middle of the road Bond movie to me.. it has beautiful cinematography, and regardless of some who feel Craig "phoned it in", i feel like it was Craig's at his most comfortable in the roll - and he handled the humor well, just because he doesn't do it with a tie straighten, or a wink and a smile doesn't mean he can't do it....

    my problems with the movie lie in the fact that the spectre organization wasn't given a proper build back into the Bond mythos - it seemed like they rushed through it... i didn't like the retconning of stuff from the previous films just so they could fit this film's narrative - and then have it hastily explained away so flippantly... the Blofeld / Bond family connection I didn't care for... i understand they are not brothers - but giving Blofeld ties to Bond's childhood was definitely not needed, and only serves the purpose of Mendes' getting off on pseudo family drama in his films.. lastly, the film was about 20 minutes too long.. the whole last act in London could've and should've been consolidated into a big final showdown at Blofeld's crater lair, instead of jetting back to London to fulfill another one of Mendes' thematic strokings.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Why the hell would she return? She was just some random girl he almost banged and used for information...
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Call me sexist, but the truth is that very few people would wants to see a 55 year old Bond girl. Bellucci should not return.

    she is still one sexy Cougar though - i wouldn't throw her out of bed for eating crackers, even if crackers was my dog.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Why the hell would she return? She was just some random girl he almost banged and used for information...

    Noooo she was actually the mastermind all along. What happened you see is that she was in charge of SPECTRE but while she was in Rome little Franny Oberhauser pretended to be Blofeld just to f-bomb with Bond's head. All the time it was her, she was the author of all Bond's pain. She lived under cover as Sciarra's wife all these years and knew Bond would turn up at her house so she hired some guys to pretend to kill her to fool Bond. It's a labyrinthine plot that will all be revealed to us in B25 and SP will suddenly make perfect sense.



    And this is why EON would be insane to listen to the fans opinion @Gustav_Graves because there's already been quite a few posts saying that this is a good idea when it's actually purest dogshit.

    I know my faith in EON is a rock bottom but I think even they would have the good sense to realise that when you're at the bottom of a hole you don't keep digging.

    I'm beginning to think McClory was a blessing in disguise for keeping the rights out of their hands for 50 years if they are seriously contemplating foisting this dismal storyline on us.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    Maybe this could finally pave the way for the use of the title The Property of a Lady. Back before Bond 23 came out I wanted Quantum to return with the reveal of a female leading the organization. Perhaps Ms. Sciarra was the real head of SPECTRE, or the one to take up the reins? Of course all speculation.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,165
    boldfinger wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    So for all the people who think this is a good idea I have one question: where does this leave Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

    Is he just forgotten about as the petulant teenager he was or is the shock twist that she is the real boss of SPECTRE?

    Seriously you've got to quit while you're behind and for EON to go down this road would be just Ike bunging the SP script in the microwave and hoping just you heat it all the way through so you don't get a bout of salmonella.
    Oberhauser was a fraud who unrightfully used the name and legend of Blofeld. Much like The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. The real Blofeld comes out of retirement when he hears about this and wreaks havoc big time, the first thing being that he has Oberhauser killed.

    Oberhauser being a "fake Blofeld" sounds a tad silly, and general audiences would just be confused by it. Rather than having a "real Blofeld," they just need a "real head of SPECTRE." Oberhauser is Blofeld, just in this timeline Blofeld is a red herring for the true leader of SPECTRE.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    "I am Blofeld" kind of like "I am Negan". Or Spartacus.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Minion wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    So for all the people who think this is a good idea I have one question: where does this leave Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

    Is he just forgotten about as the petulant teenager he was or is the shock twist that she is the real boss of SPECTRE?

    Seriously you've got to quit while you're behind and for EON to go down this road would be just Ike bunging the SP script in the microwave and hoping just you heat it all the way through so you don't get a bout of salmonella.
    Oberhauser was a fraud who unrightfully used the name and legend of Blofeld. Much like The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. The real Blofeld comes out of retirement when he hears about this and wreaks havoc big time, the first thing being that he has Oberhauser killed.

    Oberhauser being a "fake Blofeld" sounds a tad silly, and general audiences would just be confused by it. Rather than having a "real Blofeld," they just need a "real head of SPECTRE." Oberhauser is Blofeld, just in this timeline Blofeld is a red herring for the true leader of SPECTRE.
    Like Mandarin in Iron Man 3, then?
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    So for all the people who think this is a good idea I have one question: where does this leave Ernst Stavro Blofeld?

    Is he just forgotten about as the petulant teenager he was or is the shock twist that she is the real boss of SPECTRE?

    Seriously you've got to quit while you're behind and for EON to go down this road would be just Ike bunging the SP script in the microwave and hoping just you heat it all the way through so you don't get a bout of salmonella.
    Oberhauser was a fraud who unrightfully used the name and legend of Blofeld. Much like The Mandarin in Iron Man 3. The real Blofeld comes out of retirement when he hears about this and wreaks havoc big time, the first thing being that he has Oberhauser killed.

    Oberhauser being a "fake Blofeld" sounds a tad silly, and general audiences would just be confused by it. Rather than having a "real Blofeld," they just need a "real head of SPECTRE." Oberhauser is Blofeld, just in this timeline Blofeld is a red herring for the true leader of SPECTRE.
    Like Mandarin in Iron Man 3, then?

    except this would be more of that annoying retconning events to fit the new story... at least in Iron Man 3 - it was made clear that Ben Kingsly was not the real Mandarin, but a stand-in, so there was no need to explain it away in a future movie..

    but let me play devil's advocate, if it were revealed that Oberhauser was just a stand-in for the real Blofeld.. it would be interesting.. BUT, they've already gone the extra mile of giving Waltz the Blofeld facial/eye scar... it would be stupid to throw away all of that just for the sake of shallow "haha, we tricked you!" moment.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,165
    Except Ben Kingsly was the real Mandarin, it's just in the context of the film The Mandarin was just a figure head. Whatever Guy Pierce's character's name was is the real villain. I'm not suggesting Oberhauser isn't Blofeld. He IS Blofeld. Just, he's not the real head of SPECTRE. Stand-in, second in command, take your pick.

    I know about the Hail to the King short, but that doesn't really count because it's just a fun thing for the fans, not apart of an official movie.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Why the hell would she return? She was just some random girl he almost banged and used for information...

    Noooo she was actually the mastermind all along. What happened you see is that she was in charge of SPECTRE but while she was in Rome little Franny Oberhauser pretended to be Blofeld just to f-bomb with Bond's head. All the time it was her, she was the author of all Bond's pain. She lived under cover as Sciarra's wife all these years and knew Bond would turn up at her house so she hired some guys to pretend to kill her to fool Bond. It's a labyrinthine plot that will all be revealed to us in B25 and SP will suddenly make perfect sense.



    And this is why EON would be insane to listen to the fans opinion @Gustav_Graves because there's already been quite a few posts saying that this is a good idea when it's actually purest dogshit.

    I know my faith in EON is a rock bottom but I think even they would have the good sense to realise that when you're at the bottom of a hole you don't keep digging.

    I'm beginning to think McClory was a blessing in disguise for keeping the rights out of their hands for 50 years if they are seriously contemplating foisting this dismal storyline on us.

  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited November 2017 Posts: 1,003
    Bond just doesn’t bang 50 year old women. Craig’s Bond ducked out early. He had enough time to fool around. Once he got his info he was gone lol.

    Maybe in the next movie she will come back mad that he ditched her. Got her hot and bothered for nothing?
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    Bond just doesn’t bang 50 year old women. Craig’s Bond ducked out early. He had enough time to fool around. Once he got his info he was gone lol.

    Really your comment shows so much respect for the character of 007 and a splendid actress.
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