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I can appreciate that her conversion to the straight and narrow would ruffle a few feathers today too though.
“I think this is one of the trickiest scenes in the movie. How to go from dy** to sexpot to heroine in the best of two falls, one submission and one roll in the hay. I suppose it comes off.”
Definition of anti-hero via Dictionary.com
a protagonist who lacks the attributes that make a heroic figure, as nobility of mind and spirit, a life or attitude marked by action or purpose, and the like.
Michael Corleone is an anti-hero, i.e. a less evil gangster, but still one who has his brother (among many others) killed.
He blackmailed her for sex.
"Please, don't tell Dr. Wain. I'd lose my job...."
"Well, I suppose my silence could have a price...."
"You don't mean..."
"Oh, yessss...."
That’s what I’m saying, it’s rape, there’s no arguing. Same thing with pussy galore, he throws her down and she struggles to get him off and he forces her till she likes it, that’s rape. I don’t mean to make this personal but anyone who doesn’t think the TB thing is rape, think of your significant other working that job and then being coerced into sex, would you call it rape?
"Any time, James. Any place."
Aren't we just being manipulated as ever by the media? Has anyone actually got evidence of any outraged 17 year olds who have watched Friends and been disgusted by its racism, sexism and homophobia?
And am I in the wrong thread to ask the question?
Friends is racist, sexist and homophobic?
Indeed. No black characters, lesbians the butt of too many jokes, Chandler-is-gay jokes abound, stuff like that.
What responsiblility does the movie industry have to "set an example"? It's a tricky one. I think one of the key issues is that, once we take it for granted that Bond is a flawed character, what are the ramifications? Re the two scenes discussed. Is it not the ramifications of his behavoir that need to be discussed? He is basically rewarded for his behavoir on both occasions.
To offer a comparison, in Dirty Harry, he tortures the suspect in order to gather information. At the time, we sympathise with him as we see the suspect as the bad guy, But we learn that his behavoir has ruined the investigation as he has not respected procedure. So his character faults have ramifications.
Another example, (sorry, on a role), the the Magnificent Seven and the line I quoted "well we may" (rape them). As the film develops, we learn that actually the real heroes are the farmers. They have the bravery to settle down, commit, from long term realtionships and raise kids etc. The gunfighters are losers :
"Vin: Yeah, sure. Everything. After awhile you can call bartenders and faro dealers by their first name - maybe two hundred of 'em! Rented rooms you live in - five hundred! Meals you eat in hash houses - a thousand! Home - none! Wife - none! Kids... none! Prospects - zero. Suppose I left anything out? "
So they are aware that they have failed when the farmers have succeeded. This is an element of Bond's character that either does not exist or we never see. That line could very easily apply to Bond.
So I think it's interesting to then go back to Bond and ask, what are the ramifications when he sexually assaults women? Anti-heroes and character faults are interesting. But if they have no negative effect on the world around the character, is it actually a character fault? Does this send the mesage that, it's OK to have character faults (includng assaulting women) as it does not really matter. There are no consequesnces to your behavoir.
Oh, they have. Craig would never announce his return if they haven't anything well planned.
Excellent question that naggs on me as well. I can honestly say that here in Germany at least that isn't the case.
EDIT: Unfortunately for a time Bond may have to be a whipping boy while a high stakes game is played in the media.
Agreed, i think this debate is mostly just confusion generated by the media because it gets people angry/involved and generates clicks.
In reality no decent woman who is fighting for things like equal pay (you know, real issues) would give a toss whether a Movie character has a Penis or not and what he does with it. Its irrelevant.
Only people with No clue about life and too much time on their Hands, as well as serious brain damage (in short: swj-millenials), would believe that making Bond female, or PC would somehow improve our Society, and get women more respect in the workplace :))
Yes, there are two lines: 1. She being "immune" to him; 2. Bond asking what it will take to switch sides. But I had taken both at face value. LOL
I thought Christmas was one initially though, at least at the Russian base.
If done today I could see a scene where she and Bond are parting company after Goldfinger’s death where she tells Bond
“Thank you Mr. Bond, you’ve taught me that variety, is the spice of life “
As she walks away with one of her favorite pilots Bond quips, as he raises a brow, “Indeed it is”