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  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    It seems like every Bond film from the Craig era is trying to be the next OHMSS to one extent or another. That's part of the problem, they can't seem to write anything that's just a cool, fun Bond story. There is an underlying sense of pretension, like they're above telling a gripping yarn without the extras. I have a feeling Babs has something to do with it. I simply don't believe she has any interest in making something that isn't preoccupied with the emotions and insecurities of Bond. I can't see her making a Bond film that doesn't have that as it's central driving force.

    Looking at the last few Bond films, this seems like what they're aiming for. Personally, I'm sick of it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    It seems like every Bond film from the Craig era is trying to be the next OHMSS to one extent or another. That's part of the problem, they can't seem to write anything that's just a cool, fun Bond story. There is an underlying sense of pretension, like they're above telling a gripping yarn without the extras. I have a feeling Babs has something to do with it. I simply don't believe she has any interest in making something that isn't preoccupied with the emotions and insecurities of Bond. I can't see her making a Bond film that doesn't have that as it's central driving force.
    Looking at the last few Bond films, this seems like what they're aiming for. Personally, I'm sick of it.
    Better make that two.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    It seems like every Bond film from the Craig era is trying to be the next OHMSS to one extent or another. That's part of the problem, they can't seem to write anything that's just a cool, fun Bond story. There is an underlying sense of pretension, like they're above telling a gripping yarn without the extras. I have a feeling Babs has something to do with it. I simply don't believe she has any interest in making something that isn't preoccupied with the emotions and insecurities of Bond. I can't see her making a Bond film that doesn't have that as it's central driving force.
    Looking at the last few Bond films, this seems like what they're aiming for. Personally, I'm sick of it.
    Better make that two.

    I love it.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    It seems like every Bond film from the Craig era is trying to be the next OHMSS to one extent or another. That's part of the problem, they can't seem to write anything that's just a cool, fun Bond story. There is an underlying sense of pretension, like they're above telling a gripping yarn without the extras. I have a feeling Babs has something to do with it. I simply don't believe she has any interest in making something that isn't preoccupied with the emotions and insecurities of Bond. I can't see her making a Bond film that doesn't have that as it's central driving force.

    Damn, you hit the nail right on the head.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited February 2018 Posts: 5,185
    Bond has always been Trend hopping, since the Connery days. Craigs run is no exception, you have all the superhero movie tropes, origin storys and Personal vendettas in there.

    I am Not saying i like it, but it could have been way worse at the same time, showing Bond in his Navy years or how he got trained at Mi6. BS like that, maybe even some childhood flashbacks.

    For me, only Spectre dropped the Ball with Blowfeld. But what i find much worse than that are the 4 year breaks.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Dennison wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    It seems like every Bond film from the Craig era is trying to be the next OHMSS to one extent or another. That's part of the problem, they can't seem to write anything that's just a cool, fun Bond story. There is an underlying sense of pretension, like they're above telling a gripping yarn without the extras. I have a feeling Babs has something to do with it. I simply don't believe she has any interest in making something that isn't preoccupied with the emotions and insecurities of Bond. I can't see her making a Bond film that doesn't have that as it's central driving force.
    Looking at the last few Bond films, this seems like what they're aiming for. Personally, I'm sick of it.
    Better make that two.
    I love it.
    You love Bond always emotionally insecure in every film?
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    I think Craig's struggle to add humour as Bond does seem to restrict what they can do with the films re it being lighter etc.

    Hopefully B26 will find someone who can do that.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I think Craig's struggle to add humour as Bond does seem to restrict what they can do with the films re it being lighter etc.

    Hopefully B26 will find someone who can do that.

    The humour in CR is great. They shouldn't try to make the humour of his films like the Moore films, as they did in Spectre.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    Dennison wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I think Craig's struggle to add humour as Bond does seem to restrict what they can do with the films re it being lighter etc.

    Hopefully B26 will find someone who can do that.

    The humour in CR is great. They shouldn't try to make the humour of his films like the Moore films, as they did in Spectre.

    They can make films as playful as Moore's films without resorting to 70's style gags. That's the mistake SPECTRE made, but they certainly need to go more light-hearted and breezy in future. It's that lightness of touch which EON seems to have forgotten how to execute in recent years, that they have to rediscover and quickly.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    It seems like every Bond film from the Craig era is trying to be the next OHMSS to one extent or another. That's part of the problem, they can't seem to write anything that's just a cool, fun Bond story. There is an underlying sense of pretension, like they're above telling a gripping yarn without the extras. I have a feeling Babs has something to do with it. I simply don't believe she has any interest in making something that isn't preoccupied with the emotions and insecurities of Bond. I can't see her making a Bond film that doesn't have that as it's central driving force.
    Looking at the last few Bond films, this seems like what they're aiming for. Personally, I'm sick of it.
    Better make that two.
    +3 and I'll add that it's not just Babs, although I agree that it does seem like this is her interest. I believe it's also what Craig wants and is more comfortable with. She knew what she was getting when she brought him on board, and that is the direction they've been on for soon to be 13 years. It's been very successful and to some extent can be argued to have restored credibility to the franchise. However, it wasn't the only way this could have been approached, and we're closer to the end of it than the start. Things will turn around again, eventually. They always do.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    bondjames wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    It seems like every Bond film from the Craig era is trying to be the next OHMSS to one extent or another. That's part of the problem, they can't seem to write anything that's just a cool, fun Bond story. There is an underlying sense of pretension, like they're above telling a gripping yarn without the extras. I have a feeling Babs has something to do with it. I simply don't believe she has any interest in making something that isn't preoccupied with the emotions and insecurities of Bond. I can't see her making a Bond film that doesn't have that as it's central driving force.
    Looking at the last few Bond films, this seems like what they're aiming for. Personally, I'm sick of it.
    Better make that two.
    +3 and I'll add that it's not just Babs, although I agree that it does seem like this is her interest. I believe it's also what Craig wants and is more comfortable with. She knew what she was getting when she brought him on board, and that is the direction they've been on for soon to be 13 years. It's been very successful and to some extent can be argued to have restored credibility to the franchise. However, it wasn't the only way this could have been approached, and we're closer to the end of it than the start. Things will turn around again, eventually. They always do.

    +4.

    I pray B25 is the last of this type of Bond film,its so old and stale and,quite frankly,boring and arrogant.

    Craig should have quit after SP,thats what that ending was all about.
    B25 should have been a fresh start and a fresh direction.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,538
    I’d love to sing Bond theme, says Emeli Sande as she collects MBE
    https://independent.ie/entertainment/id-love-to-sing-bond-theme-says-emeli-sande-as-she-collects-mbe-36582509.html

    Emeli Sande has said she would try and create something “epic” if approached to come up with the theme song for the next James Bond film.

    The Read All About It singer said she had heard rumours she could be in line for the prestigious job but insisted she has not been directly asked to take on the task.

    Asked if there was any truth to the suggestion, she said: “I keep hearing this but I haven’t heard anything directly.

    “Of course I would love to – a chance to get quite dramatic with your music-making. I think I know how to approach it.”

    In terms of the style she would choose she said: “I think it would just be something very soulful and quite dramatic and I guess when you are writing something for a movie you think more visually so you can kind of create a bigger picture in your mind so, yeah, try and make something epic.”
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited February 2018 Posts: 5,767
    Well, who wouldn´t. But I have to disappoint poor Emeli, because I got the gig. It will be an instrumental played on my pocket synth and featuring a 2min solo from my drum machine.



    barryt007 wrote: »
    Craig should have quit after SP,thats what that ending was all about.
    B25 should have been a fresh start and a fresh direction.
    Craig doing one more that ignores the previous two films would be the best thing that could happen to the franchise at the moment.

  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    boldfinger wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Craig should have quit after SP,thats what that ending was all about.
    B25 should have been a fresh start and a fresh direction.
    Craig doing one more that ignores the previous two films would be the best thing that could happen to the franchise at the moment.

    @boldfinger is right. It would restore faith in what the series is supposed to be about. Craig is a great Bond, and deserves better than SP.
  • RevelatorRevelator
    edited February 2018 Posts: 2,917
    00Agent wrote: »
    Bond has always been Trend hopping, since the Connery days.

    But the Connery films set trends. The whole 60s spy craze, with all its Bond imitations and knockoffs, would have been unthinkable without the Bond films. It's almost impossible to watch a thriller from 1964 to 1970 that isn't influenced in some way by Bond. I miss the days when Bond was a trendsetter, not trendhopper. The mark of a really fresh Bond film would be for other films to imitate it, rather than the other way around.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    boldfinger wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Craig should have quit after SP,thats what that ending was all about.
    B25 should have been a fresh start and a fresh direction.
    Craig doing one more that ignores the previous two films would be the best thing that could happen to the franchise at the moment.
    Definitely, thus reverting Craig back to his former glory in tone of his first two.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    Craig's s character & portrayal will be a bit different if Mendes doesn't helm the next one. The director is going to tell us a lot in terms of what to expect. I think by this summer we'll know what type of film this will be. I think we're headed for major drama based on them trying to get villenueve.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,154
    Considering the inconstant directional tone of the Craig films, they might as well get Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, Mendes, Martin Campbell and Marc Forster together to direct B25 as a shot for shot remake of the '67 CR.

    Craig would of course, be Niven's Bond. He shouldn't complain about being too tired as he wouldn't have as much screen time.
    With the current trend going for unoriginal titles this past decade, they could just call it CASINO ROYALE.

    This would perfectly bookend the Craig era. Start with CR seriously and end with CR comically.


    I should probably stop while I'm ahead before I jinx it, and we find out that's what they're actually doing.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Considering the inconstant directional tone of the Craig films, they might as well get Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, Mendes, Martin Campbell and Marc Forster together to direct B25 as a shot for shot remake of the '67 CR.

    Craig would of course, be Niven's Bond. He shouldn't complain about being too tired as he wouldn't have as much screen time.
    With the current trend going for unoriginal titles this past decade, they could just call it CASINO ROYALE.

    This would perfectly bookend the Craig era. Start with CR seriously and end with CR comically.


    I should probably stop while I'm ahead before I jinx it, and we find out that's what they're actually doing.

    Hahaha! (nervous laugh)
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,154
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Considering the inconstant directional tone of the Craig films, they might as well get Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, Mendes, Martin Campbell and Marc Forster together to direct B25 as a shot for shot remake of the '67 CR.

    Craig would of course, be Niven's Bond. He shouldn't complain about being too tired as he wouldn't have as much screen time.
    With the current trend going for unoriginal titles this past decade, they could just call it CASINO ROYALE.

    This would perfectly bookend the Craig era. Start with CR seriously and end with CR comically.


    I should probably stop while I'm ahead before I jinx it, and we find out that's what they're actually doing.

    Hahaha! (nervous laugh)

    Niven's Bond had a mustache so I'm picturing Craig with that mustache he wore while in that play with Hugh Jackman.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited February 2018 Posts: 17,753
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Considering the inconstant directional tone of the Craig films, they might as well get Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, Mendes, Martin Campbell and Marc Forster together to direct B25 as a shot for shot remake of the '67 CR.

    Craig would of course, be Niven's Bond. He shouldn't complain about being too tired as he wouldn't have as much screen time.
    With the current trend going for unoriginal titles this past decade, they could just call it CASINO ROYALE.

    This would perfectly bookend the Craig era. Start with CR seriously and end with CR comically.


    I should probably stop while I'm ahead before I jinx it, and we find out that's what they're actually doing.

    Hahaha! (nervous laugh)

    Niven's Bond had a mustache so I'm picturing Craig with that mustache he wore while in that play with Hugh Jackman.

    Now that you mentioned it :-O :

    Healy650.jpg
    12872-3051.gif
    The hair is very much the same!
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,154
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Considering the inconstant directional tone of the Craig films, they might as well get Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, Mendes, Martin Campbell and Marc Forster together to direct B25 as a shot for shot remake of the '67 CR.

    Craig would of course, be Niven's Bond. He shouldn't complain about being too tired as he wouldn't have as much screen time.
    With the current trend going for unoriginal titles this past decade, they could just call it CASINO ROYALE.

    This would perfectly bookend the Craig era. Start with CR seriously and end with CR comically.


    I should probably stop while I'm ahead before I jinx it, and we find out that's what they're actually doing.

    Hahaha! (nervous laugh)

    Niven's Bond had a mustache so I'm picturing Craig with that mustache he wore while in that play with Hugh Jackman.

    Now that you mentioned it :-O :

    Healy650.jpg
    12872-3051.gif
    The hair is very much the same!

    YES!!!
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited February 2018 Posts: 17,753
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Considering the inconstant directional tone of the Craig films, they might as well get Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, Mendes, Martin Campbell and Marc Forster together to direct B25 as a shot for shot remake of the '67 CR.

    Craig would of course, be Niven's Bond. He shouldn't complain about being too tired as he wouldn't have as much screen time.
    With the current trend going for unoriginal titles this past decade, they could just call it CASINO ROYALE.

    This would perfectly bookend the Craig era. Start with CR seriously and end with CR comically.


    I should probably stop while I'm ahead before I jinx it, and we find out that's what they're actually doing.

    Hahaha! (nervous laugh)

    Niven's Bond had a mustache so I'm picturing Craig with that mustache he wore while in that play with Hugh Jackman.

    Now that you mentioned it :-O :

    Healy650.jpg
    12872-3051.gif
    The hair is very much the same!

    YES!!!

    Incredible! Better delete those last few post; we can't give them ideas, haha! :))
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,154
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Considering the inconstant directional tone of the Craig films, they might as well get Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, Mendes, Martin Campbell and Marc Forster together to direct B25 as a shot for shot remake of the '67 CR.

    Craig would of course, be Niven's Bond. He shouldn't complain about being too tired as he wouldn't have as much screen time.
    With the current trend going for unoriginal titles this past decade, they could just call it CASINO ROYALE.

    This would perfectly bookend the Craig era. Start with CR seriously and end with CR comically.


    I should probably stop while I'm ahead before I jinx it, and we find out that's what they're actually doing.

    Hahaha! (nervous laugh)

    Niven's Bond had a mustache so I'm picturing Craig with that mustache he wore while in that play with Hugh Jackman.

    Now that you mentioned it :-O :

    Healy650.jpg
    12872-3051.gif
    The hair is very much the same!

    YES!!!

    Incredible! Better delete those last few post; we can't give them ideas, haha! :))

    And before we start speculating who would be playing the Woody Allen role. LOL
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited February 2018 Posts: 17,753
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Considering the inconstant directional tone of the Craig films, they might as well get Nolan, Denis Villeneuve, Mendes, Martin Campbell and Marc Forster together to direct B25 as a shot for shot remake of the '67 CR.

    Craig would of course, be Niven's Bond. He shouldn't complain about being too tired as he wouldn't have as much screen time.
    With the current trend going for unoriginal titles this past decade, they could just call it CASINO ROYALE.

    This would perfectly bookend the Craig era. Start with CR seriously and end with CR comically.


    I should probably stop while I'm ahead before I jinx it, and we find out that's what they're actually doing.

    Hahaha! (nervous laugh)

    Niven's Bond had a mustache so I'm picturing Craig with that mustache he wore while in that play with Hugh Jackman.

    Now that you mentioned it :-O :

    Healy650.jpg
    12872-3051.gif
    The hair is very much the same!

    YES!!!

    Incredible! Better delete those last few post; we can't give them ideas, haha! :))

    And before we start speculating who would be playing the Woody Allen role. LOL

    We can have one of these two!

    Or, having a scene where they both do impressions in a restaurant corner…
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    My excitement for Bond declined since SF a lot. I mean, I still love the films and all, but recently I feel burned out by the franchise. So, this wait isn't really having any sort of an effect on me, to be honest.

    Me too, honestly. Haven't seen a Bond film in god knows how long...
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    My excitement for Bond declined since SF a lot. I mean, I still love the films and all, but recently I feel burned out by the franchise. So, this wait isn't really having any sort of an effect on me, to be honest.
    Me too, honestly. Haven't seen a Bond film in god knows how long...
    I know the feeling.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I think Craig's struggle to add humour as Bond does seem to restrict what they can do with the films re it being lighter etc.

    Hopefully B26 will find someone who can do that.

    The humour in CR is great. They shouldn't try to make the humour of his films like the Moore films, as they did in Spectre.

    They can make films as playful as Moore's films without resorting to 70's style gags. That's the mistake SPECTRE made, but they certainly need to go more light-hearted and breezy in future. It's that lightness of touch which EON seems to have forgotten how to execute in recent years, that they have to rediscover and quickly.

    Craig simply can't do lighthearted. It doesn't work. He is 100% more convincing when he plays it seriously.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,205
    Looking at that photo of Jackman and Craig makes me realize how much potential Jackman had to play Bond . I like Daniel but Hugh really looks the part in that shot.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I think Craig's struggle to add humour as Bond does seem to restrict what they can do with the films re it being lighter etc.

    Hopefully B26 will find someone who can do that.

    The humour in CR is great. They shouldn't try to make the humour of his films like the Moore films, as they did in Spectre.

    They can make films as playful as Moore's films without resorting to 70's style gags. That's the mistake SPECTRE made, but they certainly need to go more light-hearted and breezy in future. It's that lightness of touch which EON seems to have forgotten how to execute in recent years, that they have to rediscover and quickly.

    Craig simply can't do lighthearted. It doesn't work. He is 100% more convincing when he plays it seriously.

    And most importantly Craig is just not as good with this material as Sir Roger Moore was, comedy and timing is an art form that just is not for every actor. Craig has other qualities his sense of humor is probably more grim, so he should stick to that.
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