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  • StrogStrog
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    bondbat007 wrote: »
    DAD's biggest flaws were not from P&W. If only they would have had a competent director handling their script.
    I don't know about 'biggest' but the dialogue was certainly one of the more abysmal things about it.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    David Fincher would make a hell of a Bond film, if you ask me. Loved Zodiac, and he has already directed Craig in The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
    I would absolutely love to see a Fincher Bond film. Other than Villeneuve, he's another director who would get me seriously excited for B25. All of these other so called "candidates" have been extremely underwhelming.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Villeneuve over Fincher any day.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited March 2018 Posts: 10,591
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Villeneuve over Fincher any day.
    Love them both, though the former is still my preferred choice (although both are incredibly unlikely to happen this time).
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I like almost everything from Villeneuve, but only Alien 3 from Fincher.
  • RC7RC7
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    I like almost everything from Villeneuve, but only Alien 3 from Fincher.

    I liked Zodiac and his Mindhunter episodes are very good.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Fincher would be a tremendous choice for a Bond film. I'd definitely be down with that. I'd much prefer him to Villeneuve actually.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited March 2018 Posts: 10,591
    bondjames wrote: »
    Fincher would be a tremendous choice for a Bond film. I'd definitely be down with that. I'd much prefer him to Villeneuve actually.
    He'd seem so predictable that I almost believe there's a reason as to why he hasn't done one yet.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Fincher would be a tremendous choice for a Bond film. I'd definitely be down with that. I'd much prefer him to Villeneuve actually.
    He'd seem so predictable that I almost believe there's a reason as to why he hasn't done one yet.
    True. I too am surprised he hasn't been on their radar for some reason.
  • JET007JET007
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    I'd love to see Fincher do Batman over Bond. The only caveat on Fincher's Bond for me would be a Trent Reznor soundtrack. So long as he had Arnold I would be cool.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I on the other hand would love to see what Trent and Atticus Ross would come up with for Bond.
  • JET007JET007
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Not only that but they seem incapable of learning from the past. With each successive tenure they start off small, but lose the reins midway through and end up careering into a ditch (sorry, I'm snowed in where I live and the sight of these kids playing on their sleds threw up a metaphor that I couldn't pass up).

    Were you referring to Barbara or EON in general? Cinematic Bond has always expanded and contracted. Look at YOLT/OHMSS and MR/FYEO. DAD and CR seems totally in step with that.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The only two people I have an interest in seeing direct a Bond is Campbell or Nolan. Nolan is uncompromising in his advocacy for analogue over digital. He even had cardboard cutout soldiers in the background of Dunkirk, because CGI wouldn't do. I think if Nolan made a Bond film, even the Title Sequence would be done practically like in the old days. He is a true fan of the franchise, and a filmmaker of old who has an appreciation for craft and tradition. He is the perfect fit for such a franchise, who won't make a CGI fest and shoot on digital in front of a green screen. I don'√ care even if the effect is seamless, you can still tell when a shot is not real, even if you can't see the seams. I would like one more era of classic Bond where things are done for real, and Chris Nolan is like the self appointed pope of traditional analogue filmmaking. A trilogy of movies by him would be epic, and in many ways mirror how the franchise started by having a strong sense of direction.
  • JET007JET007
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    thelivingroyale wrote: »

    But he's been Bond for ages. By the time Bond 25 comes out, a baby born when CR was released will be halfway through high school. I know they haven't had many films out in that time but to be honest I think that only makes it worse, because we're waiting longer and longer for more of the same.

    I do hope not. My daughter is in fifth grade now and was born a week before Casino Royale was released!

  • JET007JET007
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I on the other hand would love to see what Trent and Atticus Ross would come up with for Bond.

    If they could keep it in the Barry spirit. I love their scores for Fincher's movies, but it's not in the Bond tradition. Still, better them than a droning Zimmer score.
  • JET007JET007
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    The only two people I have an interest in seeing direct a Bond is Campbell or Nolan. Nolan is uncompromising in his advocacy for analogue over digital. He even had cardboard cutout soldiers in the background of Dunkirk, because CGI wouldn't do. I think if Nolan made a Bond film, even the Title Sequence would be done practically like in the old days. He is a true fan of the franchise, and a filmmaker of old who has an appreciation for craft and tradition. He is the perfect fit for such a franchise, who won't make a CGI fest and shoot on digital in front of a green screen. I don'√ care even if the effect is seamless, you can still tell when a shot is not real, even if you can't see the seams. I would like one more era of classic Bond where things are done for real, and Chris Nolan is like the self appointed pope of traditional analogue filmmaking. A trilogy of movies by him would be epic, and in many ways mirror how the franchise started by having a strong sense of direction.

    +1
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I on the other hand would love to see what Trent and Atticus Ross would come up with for Bond.
    I'm a big fan of the duo, though I can't imagine they'd be a good fit.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I on the other hand would love to see what Trent and Atticus Ross would come up with for Bond.
    I'm a big fan of the duo, though I can't imagine they'd be a good fit.
    That's why I'd like them to do it. I don't think they'd give us a Barry style score, but they could bring a new sound which I'd be open to, if only for one film. I know I'm in the minority, but I am a big fan of Serra's work for GE.

    It won't happen though, so traditionalists have nothing to worry about.
  • JET007JET007
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    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I on the other hand would love to see what Trent and Atticus Ross would come up with for Bond.
    I'm a big fan of the duo, though I can't imagine they'd be a good fit.
    That's why I'd like them to do it. I don't think they'd give us a Barry style score, but they could bring a new sound which I'd be open to, if only for one film. I know I'm in the minority, but I am a big fan of Serra's work for GE.

    It won't happen though, so traditionalists have nothing to worry about.

    you say that, but Serra did happen, so there's always the possibility.

    I'm torn on Serra. I love his collaborations with Besson (some of which he lifted for Goldeneye) and enjoy the soundtrack for his 007 outing, but at the same time it sounds more European than strictly Bond if that makes any sense given Bond's heritage and as such is one of my least favorite scores in the Brosnan/Craig era.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,883
    JET007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I on the other hand would love to see what Trent and Atticus Ross would come up with for Bond.
    I'm a big fan of the duo, though I can't imagine they'd be a good fit.
    That's why I'd like them to do it. I don't think they'd give us a Barry style score, but they could bring a new sound which I'd be open to, if only for one film. I know I'm in the minority, but I am a big fan of Serra's work for GE.

    It won't happen though, so traditionalists have nothing to worry about.

    you say that, but Serra did happen, so there's always the possibility.

    I'm torn on Serra. I love his collaborations with Besson (some of which he lifted for Goldeneye) and enjoy the soundtrack for his 007 outing, but at the same time it sounds more European than strictly Bond if that makes any sense given Bond's heritage and as such is one of my least favorite scores in the Brosnan/Craig era.
    I can understand where you're coming from and agree on the Euro sound. I've always liked the 'one-offs' primarily because they bring something new to the table - something surprising and inventive. I'd have a much more favourable impression of both Arnold and Newman if they had just stopped with one as well.
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    edited March 2018 Posts: 2,115
    //I agree with you, it’s not particularly by design although waiting for Mendes certainly was //

    Once again, there was no way SPECTRE would have come out in 2014 regardless whether Mendes came back to direct or not.

    A Sony executive named Rory Bruer told theater executives in 2012 that Bond 24 would be out in 2014. Barbara Broccoli and Daniel Craig, speaking in a joint interview, said Bruer didnt know what he was talking about. They were asked about Bruer's remarks. Here's what they said:

    //Broccoli: He was getting a little overexcited (laughs). We’re just actually focusing on this movie. One hopes that in the future we’ll be announcing other films, but no one’s officially announced it.

    Craig: No one’s announced anything. He got a little ahead of himself (laughs). It’s very nice that he has the confidence to be able to do that, but we haven’t finished this movie yet.//

    http://collider.com/daniel-craig-barbara-broccoli-skyfall-interview/#more-162975

    Also, Barbara Broccoli in an interview with the Los Angeles Times in 2012.

    "“Sometimes there are external pressures from a studio who want you to make it in a certain time frame or for their own benefit, and sometimes we’ve given into that,”

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/14/entertainment/la-et-mn-skyfall-next-james-bond-movie-20121113

    Remember, Sony wanted Quantum of Solace out *in less than two years* time compared with Casino Royale -- May 2, 2008

    https://www.sony.com/en_us/SCA/company-news/press-releases/columbia-pictures/2006/columbia-pictures-and-mgm-announce-may-2-2008-rele.html

    It got pushed back to fall 2008, as things turned out (ironically giving the date to Iron Man, the beginning of the Marvel produced films).

    After Quantum of Solace, there was *no way* Barbara Broccoli was going to rush production for a studio. She drew a line the sand and kept to it. It didn't matter whether Sam Mendes directed SPECTRE or not.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    After Quantum of Solace, there was *not way* Barbara Broccoli was going to rush production for a studio. She drew a line the sand and kept to it. It didn't matter whether Sam Mendes directed SPECTRE or not.
    She seems to have taken it to the other extreme now. I know she has her fans, but I personally look forward to the day (despite the risks inherent) when she focuses on whatever it is really moves her and gives Bond to someone who will get going on things.
  • JET007JET007
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd have a much more favourable impression of both Arnold and Newman if they had just stopped with one as well.

    Well, judging by the Spectre soundtrack, Newman kinda did. ;)
  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
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    bondjames wrote: »
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    After Quantum of Solace, there was *not way* Barbara Broccoli was going to rush production for a studio. She drew a line the sand and kept to it. It didn't matter whether Sam Mendes directed SPECTRE or not.
    She seems to have taken it to the other extreme now. I know she has her fans, but I personally look forward to the day (despite the risks inherent) when she focuses on whatever it is really moves her and gives Bond to someone who will get going on things.

    It's certainly a legitimate question/issue. Clearly, she had no enthusiasm for looking for a new Bond actor. "My heart was breaking" until Craig agreed to come back, she told The Hollywood Reporter in that podcast interview in December.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    JET007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd have a much more favourable impression of both Arnold and Newman if they had just stopped with one as well.

    Well, judging by the Spectre soundtrack, Newman kinda did. ;)
    Quite true. Sadly, I think the same can be said of everyone involved.
  • RC7RC7
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    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    //I agree with you, it’s not particularly by design although waiting for Mendes certainly was //

    Once again, there was no way SPECTRE would have come out in 2014 regardless whether Mendes came back to direct or not.

    A Sony executive named Rory Bruer told theater executives in 2012 that Bond 24 would be out in 2014. Barbara Broccoli and Daniel Craig, speaking in a joint interview, said Bruer didnt know what he was talking about. They were asked about Bruer's remarks. Here's what they said:

    //Broccoli: He was getting a little overexcited (laughs). We’re just actually focusing on this movie. One hopes that in the future we’ll be announcing other films, but no one’s officially announced it.

    Craig: No one’s announced anything. He got a little ahead of himself (laughs). It’s very nice that he has the confidence to be able to do that, but we haven’t finished this movie yet.//

    http://collider.com/daniel-craig-barbara-broccoli-skyfall-interview/#more-162975

    Also, Barbara Broccoli in an interview with the Los Angeles Times in 2012.

    "“Sometimes there are external pressures from a studio who want you to make it in a certain time frame or for their own benefit, and sometimes we’ve given into that,”

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/14/entertainment/la-et-mn-skyfall-next-james-bond-movie-20121113

    Remember, Sony wanted Quantum of Solace out *in less than two years* time compared with Casino Royale -- May 2, 2008

    https://www.sony.com/en_us/SCA/company-news/press-releases/columbia-pictures/2006/columbia-pictures-and-mgm-announce-may-2-2008-rele.html

    It got pushed back to fall 2008, as things turned out (ironically giving the date to Iron Man, the beginning of the Marvel produced films).

    After Quantum of Solace, there was *no way* Barbara Broccoli was going to rush production for a studio. She drew a line the sand and kept to it. It didn't matter whether Sam Mendes directed SPECTRE or not.

    I’m not quite sure what your point is. Mine was that waiting for Mendes was out of choice, not happenstance. The timescale is irrelevant.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
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    Fincher might be the only Yank filmmaker I can concede to. His depiction of Swedish society was bang on in TGWTT. He is well researched and can create a great sense of place. Not just England. But I think he would be able to create strong sense of setting in any location they scout for Bond.

    Let's hope that we never again have to suffer through something like QOS where they burned through locations without ever feeling like you were in any of them.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    Let's hope that we never again have to suffer through something like QOS where they burned through locations without ever feeling like you were in any of them.
    Disgraceful, especially when one considers the budget they burned through. I'm not sure which was worse, that or the CGI enhanced rubbish they foisted upon us for most of the locations in SP. Never again indeed.
  • StrogStrog
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    Let's hope that we never again have to suffer through something like QOS where they burned through locations without ever feeling like you were in any of them.
    Disgraceful, especially when one considers the budget they burned through. I'm not sure which was worse, that or the CGI enhanced rubbish they foisted upon us for most of the locations in SP. Never again indeed.
    Do others feel similarly about QOS? I've always thought it was one of the better post-MR films in terms of infusing a sense of place through the locations (despite the inordinate number of locations Bond traveled to in that one, six or however many it was).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Strog wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Benjamin_Weekly69 wrote: »
    Let's hope that we never again have to suffer through something like QOS where they burned through locations without ever feeling like you were in any of them.
    Disgraceful, especially when one considers the budget they burned through. I'm not sure which was worse, that or the CGI enhanced rubbish they foisted upon us for most of the locations in SP. Never again indeed.
    Do others feel similarly about QOS? I've always thought it was one of the better post-MR films in terms of infusing a sense of place through the locations (despite the inordinate number of locations Bond traveled to in that one, six or however many it was).
    I felt they wasted locations by zooming through them too fast at the start. It admittedly slowed down later in Haiti & Bolivia (or shall we say Panama, which stood in for both), but that's not saying much. I would have preferred to see and experience more of Lake Garda, Siena & Talamone as an example. Still, despite the haphazard and frantic editing, it's far superior to the way the locations were portrayed and experienced in SP imho.
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