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Movie characters are like sex partners it's ok to have a racial preference ...and gender preference. Everyone has a preference.
And you can probably successfully argue that it doesn't matter whether white actor or black actor.
I just prefer Bond to remain white.
:-O
Tina Turner is Swiss. Perhaps she could be Bond.
Anyway, Eon is reactive, not proactive. They'd never stick their neck out to create the Sidney Poitier of the spy world. And it's not just Eon...as an example, Samuel L. Jackson has yet to have his own Avenger film.
I'd rather neither Tina nor that Hobbit Turner get it.
I want someone who looks the part and can act the part.
Beyond emojis, do you have a more expansive rebuttal?
I just think it's important that you question why you hold that preference. Don't you think it's pretty ignorant to hold a racial prejudice of any kind? Because that's what it is.
No, its not. Why not have a female Bond, if you're going to make that argument? Isn't it pretty homophobic that we don't want a lesbian James Bond. It's 2016 after all.
It's illegal to discriminate in most jurisdictions.
It's also legal to be prejudice (discrimination is an action.)
Casting usually cast based on and specified sex and physical characteristics. Woody Allen probably would not have gotten the part of Hinx.
If Allen had tried out for Hinx and not gotten the part would that have been discriminatory? Are the producers idiots for have casting Allen given the chance.
(I'm sorry but I can't get the image out of my mind of a whiney Woody in Blofeld's trying desperately to gouge out the eyes of an assassin. .. never mind.)
Does wanting a white British actor to play a white British character make me an idiot racist?
Does casting Elba because he is black make EoN racist?
You're not going to agree with me so maybe I'll just do an emoji too
:-q
Btw I prefer the yellow emojis. Emojis should always be yellow.
Anyways, we need to move on. It's redundant to have the same discussion over and over.
Somehow I feel as if we've had this conversation before. There is zero sense in closing this thread until more news is spoonfed to us. What is wrong with some harmless speculation?
You've missed my point entirely. Bond being a lesbian would obviously affect his character (ie it would be a woman, therefore they couldn't have gone to Eton etc etc). The point I'm making is that Bond being black would not affect his character whatsoever. No one has yet given me a single reason why Bond being black would change the way he is portrayed on screen.
I also understand that Bond was written as a white character. He was also written as a Scotsman with dark hair and a scar on his cheek. If you want Bond to stick strictly to that definition, that's fine, but if you'll allow for some physical differences then why is skin colour any different?
Because it's not skin color, it's race, a very real and different thing. And the various races of the human race are very different from one another.
Oh there's plenty of racial prejudice in this world today. And a whole lot of it is directed toward whites. In fact, I'd argue that there's a good deal of anti-white racism in the drive to make Bond black.
Agreed. And we can't close this thread ...too much fun.
Somebody page @Wizard... he'll illicit some sort of entertaining response.
The reason is that those differences weren't planned. There wasn't a campaign to get a blonde Bond in 2006, or a Irish Bond in 1995, they came with the actor.
Also, anyone can be Scottish. You don't need a Scottish accent to be Scottish. The hair thing, like I said, is a slight change, but Craig's hair was borderline anyway. These are relatively small changes in the grand scheme of things. Changing the race of the character is a striking visual transformation. IMO, there is no reason to do that unless it's for a good enough reason. 'Come on, It's 2016' isn't a good enough reason.
If skin colour makes no difference I'm intrigued as to why this debate is only ever framed in terms of Bond being black?
Why don't you just say 'Why shouldn't Bond be non white?' or 'Why shouldn't Bond be of Chinese or Indian background?'
So it's clearly not skin colour that's the issue but the tabloids and likes of the pro Elba camp wanting to push the whole 'black agenda' down people's throats. And that winds people up but doesn't automatically mean they are racist.
Although for the record I loathe the idea of a black Bond just as much as I do a Chinese Bond or an Indian Bond.
I'd also hate the idea of a Polish Bond but as he would still be white does that make me racist?
Yeah I'm getting bored of Elba this, Hiddlestone that. I might leave the forum for a while nothing much is happening in the world of James Bond right now
I'd like to make clear that I also hate the idea of a Polish or an Indian Bond, because he's an specifically British character. That doesn't mean his ethnicity can't be black, because upper class british people these days can be black, white, Asian, or whatever. My point is that if the best actor for the job was Black, that shouldn't be an obstacle in him playing the role of Bond. I think anyone dismissing an actor on the basis of their race needs to have a think about their priorities.
I get your point on a 'British' person being black or Asian etc. On that I agree. I too have moved beyond 'ethnic origin' when defining or labelling someone.
It goes beyond that though. What makes this whole discussion so frustrating is how its framed as "about time" for a black Bond. If Elba loses out now, in some circles it will be construed that he was snubbed BECAUSE of his race. So with Bond #8 the pressure on EON will be even greater. So for the time being, it's all very well saying that being black shouldn't get in the way, but after repeated black actors aren't given the role, the argument will change to "why hasn't there been a black Bond?" Eventually the SJWs will turn into a civil rights case like they did with the Oscars.
Then you want Aidan Turner. :D
This, I think, is the main point here that's been lost. Elba can't be Bond based solely upon his age. In this day in age where Bond films happen at best every three years, if he were cast in the part right now for what we believe is the targeted October/November 2018 release, he'd be 46 in his debut film. Then he'd be 49 in his follow-up. Unless they were going to specifically make a contained series of Bond films that shows Bond as an older agent, this rules out Elba.
Eventually, there will be a non-white Bond, and probably in the not-too-distant future, but I don't think that that person will be Elba. My feeling, though, is that if EON deems someone to be the best person for the job, then they should be given a chance to prove themselves before judgment is cast upon them.