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  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,288
    There's a vocal minority here saying that B25 will be a disaster, based upon nothing.

    The history of the Bond films is that there are rarely two great ones in a row. We're due for a great one.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    They can do one more in typical craig era drama fashion, but after that eon better come back with something radically different by the 60th anniversary
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited March 2018 Posts: 11,425
    boldfinger wrote: »
    @bondsum, Boyle was quoted mentioning the #MeToo movement, but who is going to find the link again on the last 20 pages?

    Almost certain Boyle didn't mention #MeToo
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    00Agent wrote: »
    Only problem with Bond being forcibly shaged by a Woman would be that for that powerplay to work, Bond would have to seem hesitant or against it at least for a moment. And after all he's Bond lol.
    But they'll figure something out eventually.

    Or he sleeps with them just to get closer to the villain or get info - classic Bond strategy.

  • GermanladyGermanlady
    Posts: 6,601
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    As I said, Major, you’re wasting your time.

    Why would you say that? The intensity in which negativity and pessimism is spread by some, is showing results. Your following is growing more and more. Being in the B 25 hate wagon is the place to be, if you want to fit in. So, be happy and dont complain. If you want to be a Bond fan these days, being against everything that was and might be in stock, has to be the attitude.
    Well, if for nothing else, I hope 25 will be great and 26, with who ever, a stinker. Now that would be fun as far as I am concerned.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    I’d rather Bond 25 be great than Bond 26 because:

    1. SP was disappointing, and so I’m very ready for something great again.
    2. We’ve never had a truly great sendoff film for a long-running Bond actor.
    3. If Bond 26 is disappointing, it will only be the first time this happened with a new actor in their first Bond film. I’d rather flip flop the two trends to switch things up.
    4. BECAUSE I’M HUNGRY FOR A GREAT BOND FILM NOW, DARNIT!!! (See 1)
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    The Bond 25 discussion is really getting to people…
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited March 2018 Posts: 6,601
    Yes and I am waiting for bondjames, who in his tireless effort - day and night - will tell us what is right and wrong. What would we be without him?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    I read a lot about Bond never getting a straightforward assignment in the Craig era, unlike previous years. But, he did get just that in CR, and later in SF.

    It just so happened we were much deeper into the film, but these were assignments, as we have known them, both given to Bond by M.
    Beat Le Chiffre at Casino Royale, and track down Patrice in SF, in an effort to recover the microfilm.
    He was a bit more off on a tangent in QOS, but no more so than in LTK

  • DennisonDennison
    edited March 2018 Posts: 1,031
    NicNac wrote: »
    I read a lot about Bond never getting a straightforward assignment in the Craig era, unlike previous years. But, he did get just that in CR, and later in SF.

    It just so happened we were much deeper into the film, but these were assignments, as we have known them, both given to Bond by M.
    Beat Le Chiffre at Casino Royale, and track down Patrice in SF, in an effort to recover the microfilm.
    He was a bit more off on a tangent in QOS, but no more so than in LTK

    True about CR, but in SF tracking the hard drive is subservient to the main plot - which is the relationships between Silva, M and Bond - the mission/MacGuffin is merely a means to an end to get to this real plot of the film. The hard drive is never in fact recovered - the dramatic resolve isn't saving more agents from being exposed but simply killing Silva (to prevent him killing M), the resolution of the Bond/M relationship. So it's still not assignment-giving in the traditional sense of it being followed through narratively from first act to third act.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Dennison wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    I read a lot about Bond never getting a straightforward assignment in the Craig era, unlike previous years. But, he did get just that in CR, and later in SF.

    It just so happened we were much deeper into the film, but these were assignments, as we have known them, both given to Bond by M.
    Beat Le Chiffre at Casino Royale, and track down Patrice in SF, in an effort to recover the microfilm.
    He was a bit more off on a tangent in QOS, but no more so than in LTK

    True about CR, but in SF tracking the hard drive is subservient to the main plot - which is the relationships between Silva, M and Bond - the mission/MacGuffin is merely a means to an end to get to this real plot of the film. The hard drive is never in fact recovered - the dramatic resolve isn't saving more agents from being exposed but simply killing Silva (to prevent him killing M), the resolution of the Bond/M relationship. So it's still not assignment-giving in the traditional sense of it being followed through narratively from first act to third act.

    I suppose you could argue that in DN the disappearance of Strangways was the same. His body is never recovered, but Bond's journey leads him to the main plot - Dr No and his plans to topple missiles.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    NicNac wrote: »
    Dennison wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    I read a lot about Bond never getting a straightforward assignment in the Craig era, unlike previous years. But, he did get just that in CR, and later in SF.

    It just so happened we were much deeper into the film, but these were assignments, as we have known them, both given to Bond by M.
    Beat Le Chiffre at Casino Royale, and track down Patrice in SF, in an effort to recover the microfilm.
    He was a bit more off on a tangent in QOS, but no more so than in LTK

    True about CR, but in SF tracking the hard drive is subservient to the main plot - which is the relationships between Silva, M and Bond - the mission/MacGuffin is merely a means to an end to get to this real plot of the film. The hard drive is never in fact recovered - the dramatic resolve isn't saving more agents from being exposed but simply killing Silva (to prevent him killing M), the resolution of the Bond/M relationship. So it's still not assignment-giving in the traditional sense of it being followed through narratively from first act to third act.

    I suppose you could argue that in DN the disappearance of Strangways was the same. His body is never recovered, but Bond's journey leads him to the main plot - Dr No and his plans to topple missiles.

    As well as its remake - Live and Let Die.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Yes and I am waiting for bondjames, who in his tireless effort - day and night - will tell us what is right and wrong. What would we be without him?
    Now now. No need to get personal, as you're wont to do. If anything, we all know where you stand. You've made your bed. A long time ago.

    At least some of us are still open to suggestion and persuasion depending on the circumstances.

    At least nobody has been as brazen as you wishing failure on the film after B25 and the actor after Craig. How peculiar. After all we are Bond fans here, or at least that's what I used to think. Not purely Craig fans.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    bondjames wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Yes and I am waiting for bondjames, who in his tireless effort - day and night - will tell us what is right and wrong. What would we be without him?
    Now now. No need to get personal, as you're wont to do. If anything, we all know where you stand. You've made your bed. A long time ago.

    At least some of us are still open to suggestion and persuasion depending on the circumstances.

    At least nobody has been as brazen as you wishing failure on the film after B25 and the actor after Craig. How peculiar. After all we are Bond fans here, or at least that's what I used to think. Not purely Craig fans.

    Wow, I must have missed something ...
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited March 2018 Posts: 10,591
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Yes and I am waiting for bondjames, who in his tireless effort - day and night - will tell us what is right and wrong. What would we be without him?
    I think we need to cool it with the personal jabs. Totally unnecessary.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited March 2018 Posts: 6,601
    Si wishing failure on 25 is better then on 26? Interesting. And yes, since everybody here is very personal - on actors, EON, the producers etc. why spare those, who do the bitching. Of course, bondjames does always dress it up nicely bit still the same. But there are worse here, definitely.

    And I do know, I am not the only one here, who is tired of the bitching - openly or dressed up.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Si wishing failure on 25 is better then on 26? Interesting. And yes, since everybody here is very personal - on actors, EON, the producers etc. why spare those, who do the bitching. Of course, bondjames does always dress it up nicely bit still the same. But there are worse here, definitely.

    And I do know, I am not the only one here, who is tired of the bitching - openly or dressed up.

    Okay ...
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    His eyebrows look better at least...

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/watch-james-bonds-amazing-message-14456351
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
    Posts: 1,162
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    "Amazing twist". So we can rule out a straightforward Bond on a mission film?
    We ruled that out the moment Danny Boyle came on board. The "Bond on a mission" film will only happen if they hire a non-artsy non-dramatist director who directs action like knowing the back of his hand.

    That change of direction/tone/style can't come quick enough.
    Bond fans are so disappointing.

    That... that makes no sense. Why would we be disappointing (of all things)?
    A large percentage of Bond fans would basically want EON to produce the same movie over and over again, are dead set against invention and are only satisfied when they get a reproduction of the Bond movie they watched as a 7 year old. Not to mention that many (most?) Bond fans have absolutely no knowledge of cinema, and wouldn't know a great movie if it hit them in the face.

    You're really just don't get it, do you? Being your teacher must've been a frustrating task!
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
    Posts: 1,162
    Germanlady wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    As I said, Major, you’re wasting your time.

    Why would you say that? The intensity in which negativity and pessimism is spread by some, is showing results. Your following is growing more and more. Being in the B 25 hate wagon is the place to be, if you want to fit in. So, be happy and dont complain. If you want to be a Bond fan these days, being against everything that was and might be in stock, has to be the attitude.
    Well, if for nothing else, I hope 25 will be great and 26, with who ever, a stinker. Now that would be fun as far as I am concerned.

    Your liking of the last two movies very well proves that you have no idea about fun whatsoever.
    Good looks, class and elegance not to mention.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    His eyebrows look better at least...

    https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/watch-james-bonds-amazing-message-14456351
    Craig looks well.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,205
    I said this on February 26

    I stand by what I said right after the awards show fiasco, within a month or so Daniel Craig will be displayed in some way and he will look great. At this point he’s eating clean , in the gym and any cosmetic work he may, or may not have had done will have subsided or reversed to a degree.
  • DennisonDennison
    Posts: 1,031
    talos7 wrote: »
    I said this on February 26

    I stand by what I said right after the awards show fiasco, within a month or so Daniel Craig will be displayed in some way and he will look great. At this point he’s eating clean , in the gym and any cosmetic work he may, or may not have had done will have subsided or reversed to a degree.

    It was Harry Morgan's fault

    https://www.thejc.com/news/the-diary/bond-star-daniel-craig-blames-wife-rachel-weisz-s-affection-for-jewish-food-for-his-weight-gain-1.459430
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Si wishing failure on 25 is better then on 26? Interesting. And yes, since everybody here is very personal - on actors, EON, the producers etc. why spare those, who do the bitching. Of course, bondjames does always dress it up nicely bit still the same. But there are worse here, definitely.

    And I do know, I am not the only one here, who is tired of the bitching - openly or dressed up.
    For the record, I have never wished failure on B25 or on Craig personally. I'd prefer if we had a new Bond for B25, but that's my opinion only. At the end of the day, I'm quite optimistic now that Boyle/Hodge are in the frame, and I think I have openly expressed that a few times here. Could there be more changes for my tastes? Yes, of course, but I certainly don't wish the film to fail. How idiotic would that be? If it fails we'll have another long break without another film, like we had between 89-95, and only a twit would want that.

    With respect to people's opinions here, we all express our own and only our own. From what I know, most people here are adults and are well within their rights to say what they want. If people are being unduly influenced by others here, then perhaps they need to take a break and gather their own thoughts before coming back here. Nobody wants parrots.

    I guess where you and I differ is that I have never confronted members here on their opinion. I may disagree with them (as I'm sure I do with you) but I welcome their right to express their desires for the franchise. I'd hope you would give the rest of us that right too. If you don't like it, give us a counter opinion and justify your thinking, but I hope you'll agree there's no need to make it personal with members as you have done with me on countless occasions now.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    talos7 wrote: »
    I said this on February 26

    I stand by what I said right after the awards show fiasco, within a month or so Daniel Craig will be displayed in some way and he will look great. At this point he’s eating clean , in the gym and any cosmetic work he may, or may not have had done will have subsided or reversed to a degree.

    He’s definitely looking better in that video. You may be on to something!
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,408
    Do we think that Purvis and Wade are totally out?

    I know the WGA have very strict rules on first draft writers (mainly as big productions often retool scripts). Both Guardians of the Galaxy and the first Avengers credit two writers who did minimal to little work on the final film's script due to WGA rules.

    I think the final credits could read:

    Written by John Hodge
    Story by Neal Purvis and Robert Wade

    Also it may be of interest to those who are skeptical of Hodge's invovlement, as he is mostly known as a comedy writer. But he has a few spy films in the works. I don't know if these are active projects but Hodge did write teh scripts for a few spy films that may currently be in flux:
    http://www.unitedagents.co.uk/john-hodge

    The first is A SPY BY NATURE and the second is SIX SUSPECTS


  • ThepastykidThepastykid
    Posts: 553
    Surely that is entirely dependent on whether anything of the P&W script remains. If it has been totally tossed, then my understanding is that they will get no credit. If it is a rewrite that retains characters (characters unique to Bond 25), situations, lines etc, then that would be different.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    If Boyle/Hodge indeed are taking over, I bet they don’t use what P&W had (which I suspect is a direct continuation of SP and probably a typical revenge type film). I would think they have something more original and interesting than P&W in the story department.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,288
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Do we think that Purvis and Wade are totally out?

    I know the WGA have very strict rules on first draft writers (mainly as big productions often retool scripts). Both Guardians of the Galaxy and the first Avengers credit two writers who did minimal to little work on the final film's script due to WGA rules.

    I think the final credits could read:

    Written by John Hodge
    Story by Neal Purvis and Robert Wade

    Also it may be of interest to those who are skeptical of Hodge's invovlement, as he is mostly known as a comedy writer. But he has a few spy films in the works. I don't know if these are active projects but Hodge did write teh scripts for a few spy films that may currently be in flux:
    http://www.unitedagents.co.uk/john-hodge

    The first is A SPY BY NATURE and the second is SIX SUSPECTS


    Hodge is known mostly for dramas and thrillers.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2018 Posts: 23,883
    I can imagine P&W polishing Hodge's script, possibly. After all, they are sort of the in-house writers and are most familiar with Bond, and particularly this interpretation.

    By the way, I watched the first episode of the Danny Boyle directed Trust miniseries yesterday. It was the first time I've seen anything by Boyle, and I can see what people have been commenting on now.

    It was quite colourful, a bit eccentric, had lots of off centre camera angles and had a certain spark to it. In a way it was atypical in relation to the somewhat stuffy surroundings in which the show is set. There was an energy to it. An almost youthful vibrancy, in direct contradiction to the environment. Some great period songs included from time to time too and a neat background score in key scenes. I'm quite curious to see what he does with Bond now.
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