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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited May 2016 Posts: 9,117
    Birdleson wrote: »
    His views on blacks, Koreans and many other groups are fairly clear. He is a proponent of British imperialism.

    Chortle.

    Presume @JawsIsAlive would see no inherent ludicrousness in a faithful adaptation of the novel GF with a Korean actor playing Bond?
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited May 2016 Posts: 4,515
    jake24 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Villeneuve and Deakins would be free after 'Blade Runner 2'...
    That would be beyond fantastic. Wasn't BR2 pushed forward?

    If his work on movie is finished in July 2017.
    This isn't news. However, these are pretty desperate days and even the tabloids are having to scrap the bottom of the barrel.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3569373/Idris-Elba-Tom-Hiddleston-enjoy-boys-night-George-Lazenby-backs-Luther-actor-James-Bond.html

    In other news, how great does Elba look. This guy has got style in abundance.

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    There have just heard from Barbara Broccoli that there get part in two live action movies of Sjors and Sjimmie :))
  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
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  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
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    It's sad that we can't just make movies anymore without people wanting to add transgenders, gays, lesbians, change roles based on race;ect...

    Really? That is not the saddest point of this sentiment. Not by a long stretch.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    mcdonbb wrote: »

    If Allen had tried out for Hinx and not gotten the part would that have been discriminatory? Are the producers idiots for have casting Allen given the chance.

    (I'm sorry but I can't get the image out of my mind of a whiney Woody in Blofeld's trying desperately to gouge out the eyes of an assassin. .. never mind.)

    Wouldn t that be great?

    "Stop blinking!
    What is this? Glass eyes?
    I swear, last time I did this those eyes just popped like there was an ejector button inside that head.
    Open those eyes, can t you see how damaging this is to my reputation?"

    POP!
    "Oh God! There went the left eye, right? But your right eye is left!
    Stop resisting like that, I am getting sweaty. Do you know how expensive this suit is?"


    Etc. etc.
  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
    Posts: 292
    Let's be honest a black bond would flop.

    That is not "honest". That is merely an opinion. And a dubious one at that. Or did we all miss how no-one went to see THE FORCE AWAKENS because of that Black British actor called John Boyega?
  • edited May 2016 Posts: 4,325
    Let's be honest a black bond would flop.

    That is not "honest". That is merely an opinion. And a dubious one at that. Or did we all miss how no-one went to see THE FORCE AWAKENS because of that Black British actor called John Boyega?

    Or how no one went to see that sexist man Bond in Spectre.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited May 2016 Posts: 4,116
    Let's be honest a black bond would flop.

    That is not "honest". That is merely an opinion. And a dubious one at that. Or did we all miss how no-one went to see THE FORCE AWAKENS because of that Black British actor called John Boyega?

    That was a new character lol. He did a good Woody Allen though... crouching, hiding, ..whining.

    And lol @Thunderfinger... exactly.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Let's be honest a black bond would flop.

    That is not "honest". That is merely an opinion. And a dubious one at that. Or did we all miss how no-one went to see THE FORCE AWAKENS because of that Black British actor called John Boyega?

    Presume the Boyega factor is single handedly responsible for TFA's stellar box office?

    You could cast Hitler, Bin Laden and Fritzl in Star Wars and it would still make ridiculous money so it's utterly pointless in claiming any actor has an effect in either boosting or reducing box office in this case.
  • edited May 2016 Posts: 4,325
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certificate in the UK) killer, loner - if we really wanted to be properly PC about Bond we should be suggesting they make no more films at all, never mind making him black that's just half way house political correctness.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.
  • Posts: 4,325
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    Yeah PC crowd are annoying - shouldn't they be more concerned about his treatment of women and the fact that he kills people than being racist about his skin colour?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    ....and if they don't cast Elba as Bond then they are racist.
  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2016 Posts: 23,883
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    Yeah PC crowd are annoying - shouldn't they be more concerned about his treatment of women
    Arguably Babs herself went through such a phase during the Brosnan era (starting with Dench M's dressing down in GE and infamous Natalya beach scene and culminating in the sap TWINE) before she came to her senses and brought in Craig.
  • edited May 2016 Posts: 4,325
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    True @CatchingBullets - 'negative comic stereotyping of homosexual characters' BBFC's words not mine; part of the reason why it is now rated 12 rather than PG.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/daf_reclassified_uk.php3
  • edited May 2016 Posts: 4,325
    EDITED

    Thank you for retracting your statement.
  • Posts: 4,325
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    Yeah PC crowd are annoying - shouldn't they be more concerned about his treatment of women
    Arguably Babs herself went through such a phase during the Brosnan era (starting with Dench M's dressing down in GE and infamous Natalya beach scene and culminating in the sap TWINE) before she came to her senses and brought in Craig.

    Yes I liked the way they didn't shy away from his treatment of women in Casino Royale and QoS with the Fields scene. That's his character - it's a character flaw of Bond's (and Fleming's actually, he treated Muriel Wright in the most deplorable of ways), character flaws are what make characters interesting.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited May 2016 Posts: 9,117
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    EDITED

    True @CatchingBullets - 'negative comic stereotyping of homosexual characters' BBFC's words not mine; part of the reason why it is now rated 12 rather than PG.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/daf_reclassified_uk.php3


    =))

    'Aggressive use of the word bitch'!! Priceless.

    And at what point does the film poke fun at homosexuals? We are laughing with W&K.
    I love:
    'Mrs Whistler did want some pictures of the canals for the children.'
    'How kind of you Mr Kidd. The children will be so thrilled.'

    And 'bitch' and alleged negative portrayal of gays is verboten but depicting a black girl turning into a gorilla is totally fine? Go figure.
  • Posts: 4,325
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    EDITED

    True @CatchingBullets - 'negative comic stereotyping of homosexual characters' BBFC's words not mine; part of the reason why it is now rated 12 rather than PG.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/daf_reclassified_uk.php3


    =))

    'Aggressive use of the word bitch'!! Priceless.

    And at what point does the film poke fun at homosexuals? We are laughing with W&K.
    I love:
    'Mrs Whistler did want some pictures of the canals for the children.'
    'How kind of you Mr Kidd. The children will be so thrilled.'

    And 'bitch' and alleged negative portrayal of gays is verboten but depicting a black girl turning into a gorilla is totally fine? Go figure.

    Yes, I quite agree. The BBFC are pretty funny at times. Their ratings system is so inconsistent - why is M:I 2 a '15'?!
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    EDITED

    True @CatchingBullets - 'negative comic stereotyping of homosexual characters' BBFC's words not mine; part of the reason why it is now rated 12 rather than PG.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/daf_reclassified_uk.php3


    =))

    'Aggressive use of the word bitch'!! Priceless.

    And at what point does the film poke fun at homosexuals? We are laughing with W&K.
    I love:
    'Mrs Whistler did want some pictures of the canals for the children.'
    'How kind of you Mr Kidd. The children will be so thrilled.'

    And 'bitch' and alleged negative portrayal of gays is verboten but depicting a black girl turning into a gorilla is totally fine? Go figure.

    To be fair most people have stopped concentrating on DAF by that point. Probably missed it.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    Yeah PC crowd are annoying - shouldn't they be more concerned about his treatment of women
    Arguably Babs herself went through such a phase during the Brosnan era (starting with Dench M's dressing down in GE and infamous Natalya beach scene and culminating in the sap TWINE) before she came to her senses and brought in Craig.

    Yes I liked the way they didn't shy away from his treatment of women in Casino Royale and QoS with the Fields scene. That's his character - it's a character flaw of Bond's (and Fleming's actually, he treated Muriel Wright in the most deplorable of ways), character flaws are what make characters interesting.

    You're spot on about character flaws. The problem these days is that the SJW brigade see being a straight, white, male as a character flaw. The irony is, every creed and colour enjoy Bond. It's merely a small band of desperately insecure individuals who need a safe space from such a heathen of a man.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    RC7 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    Yeah PC crowd are annoying - shouldn't they be more concerned about his treatment of women
    Arguably Babs herself went through such a phase during the Brosnan era (starting with Dench M's dressing down in GE and infamous Natalya beach scene and culminating in the sap TWINE) before she came to her senses and brought in Craig.

    Yes I liked the way they didn't shy away from his treatment of women in Casino Royale and QoS with the Fields scene. That's his character - it's a character flaw of Bond's (and Fleming's actually, he treated Muriel Wright in the most deplorable of ways), character flaws are what make characters interesting.

    You're spot on about character flaws. The problem these days is that the SJW brigade see being a straight, white, male as a character flaw. The irony is, every creed and colour enjoy Bond. It's merely a small band of desperately insecure individuals who need a safe space from such a heathen of a man.

    They don't care about characters, they only care about positive representation.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    Yeah PC crowd are annoying - shouldn't they be more concerned about his treatment of women
    Arguably Babs herself went through such a phase during the Brosnan era (starting with Dench M's dressing down in GE and infamous Natalya beach scene and culminating in the sap TWINE) before she came to her senses and brought in Craig.

    Yes I liked the way they didn't shy away from his treatment of women in Casino Royale and QoS with the Fields scene. That's his character - it's a character flaw of Bond's (and Fleming's actually, he treated Muriel Wright in the most deplorable of ways), character flaws are what make characters interesting.

    You're spot on about character flaws. The problem these days is that the SJW brigade see being a straight, white, male as a character flaw. The irony is, every creed and colour enjoy Bond. It's merely a small band of desperately insecure individuals who need a safe space from such a heathen of a man.

    They don't care about characters, they only care about positive representation.

    What they strive for is blanket mediocrity. Let's all stay down here on this level playing field in case someone is angry about somebody else's success.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    Yeah PC crowd are annoying - shouldn't they be more concerned about his treatment of women
    Arguably Babs herself went through such a phase during the Brosnan era (starting with Dench M's dressing down in GE and infamous Natalya beach scene and culminating in the sap TWINE) before she came to her senses and brought in Craig.

    Yes I liked the way they didn't shy away from his treatment of women in Casino Royale and QoS with the Fields scene. That's his character - it's a character flaw of Bond's (and Fleming's actually, he treated Muriel Wright in the most deplorable of ways), character flaws are what make characters interesting.

    You're spot on about character flaws. The problem these days is that the SJW brigade see being a straight, white, male as a character flaw. The irony is, every creed and colour enjoy Bond. It's merely a small band of desperately insecure individuals who need a safe space from such a heathen of a man.

    They don't care about characters, they only care about positive representation.

    What they strive for is blanket mediocrity. Let's all stay down here on this level playing field in case someone is angry about somebody else's success.

    Sounds suspiciously like socialism to me.
  • Posts: 1,970
    Elba is will never be James Bond. I can't believe people still are arguing that fact.

    James Bond is a white Englishman. That's how Flemming wrote him, that's how it should be.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,395
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Bond's character = white imperialist (all his villains are foreigners, the novels were created out of a xenophobic fantasy where the British Empire still rules the roost), sexist, homophobe (Wint and Kidd - gay characters are also villains - incidentally why DAF now has a '12' certifcate in the UK) killer, loner
    That's probably why he's such a target of the PC crowd wishing for a black Bond. It's become somewhat of a mission for them.

    Yeah PC crowd are annoying - shouldn't they be more concerned about his treatment of women
    Arguably Babs herself went through such a phase during the Brosnan era (starting with Dench M's dressing down in GE and infamous Natalya beach scene and culminating in the sap TWINE) before she came to her senses and brought in Craig.

    Yes I liked the way they didn't shy away from his treatment of women in Casino Royale and QoS with the Fields scene. That's his character - it's a character flaw of Bond's (and Fleming's actually, he treated Muriel Wright in the most deplorable of ways), character flaws are what make characters interesting.

    You're spot on about character flaws. The problem these days is that the SJW brigade see being a straight, white, male as a character flaw. The irony is, every creed and colour enjoy Bond. It's merely a small band of desperately insecure individuals who need a safe space from such a heathen of a man.

    They don't care about characters, they only care about positive representation.

    What they strive for is blanket mediocrity. Let's all stay down here on this level playing field in case someone is angry about somebody else's success.

    It's maddening whenever some magazine or website is ranking all the Bond films, and the writer is quite clearly an SJW based on how much they allow a few off-colour remarks to impact their opinion to such a degree. Live And Let Die is a very common target for this. As someone who loves that film, I can't tell you how many reviews I've read of LALD that have their own little section talking about have reprehensible the film is to modern audiences. And I'm like, "have you ever read the source material, mate?"
    What's even worse is on several occasions I have seen the same reviewer go on to lament the fact that there has only ever been one black villain in the series!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    I'm not sure why people are discounting Elba as a possibility.
    Before 2005 NO ONE would have thought it possible to have a short blond Bond.

    Not saying that's the same as skin colour, but anyway, if BB doesn't respect Fleming's vision of Bond in 2005 why should she do it now.
    If she happens to have the hots for Elba he will be Bond. It's that simple.
  • Posts: 2,483
    I'm not going to bother addressing the issue of race, I'd like to belive that the majority of us have moved beyond the idea that races are somehow inherently different from one another, especially considering the weight of scientific evidence to the contrary and the commonality of inter-racial breeding across the world.

    I'd like to make clear that I also hate the idea of a Polish or an Indian Bond, because he's an specifically British character. That doesn't mean his ethnicity can't be black, because upper class british people these days can be black, white, Asian, or whatever. My point is that if the best actor for the job was Black, that shouldn't be an obstacle in him playing the role of Bond. I think anyone dismissing an actor on the basis of their race needs to have a think about their priorities.

    Wrong. The scientific evidence, mostly genetic, demonstrates clearly that races are real entities and that they are different. But this only confirms common sense. When entire bodies of people evolve over tens of thousands of years on different continents in response to wildly different environmental conditions while breeding almost entirely amongst themselves, it would be daffy to think they would come out identical at the other end of the evolutionary pipeline. But if you think race is a hoax, then by all means take the 23andme genetic test. Your illusions will be shattered.
  • Posts: 233
    Birdleson wrote: »
    His views on blacks, Koreans and many other groups are fairly clear. He is a proponent of British imperialism.

    Chortle.

    Presume @JawsIsAlive would see no inherent ludicrousness in a faithful adaptation of the novel GF with a Korean actor playing Bond?

    I've already said, if you're adapting the books faithfully then of course Bond has to be white, it's just a matter of plausibility. In the fifties you weren't likely to have Scottish-Swiss black Imperialists educated at Eton.

    My point is that whiteness isn't relevant to a modern interpretation of the character, the same reason we can have a female M and a black Moneypenny. You want Bond to start referring to people as negros because that's how it's written in the books?

    Christ, all this idiotic talk of PC and SJWs makes me feel l like I've wondered onto some sort of Partridge esque parody of the right wing.
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