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You think that not wanting a specific characters race to change arbitrarily is a breach of civil rights. That somehow black actors have just as much claim to white characters as white actors do. If anyone is the parody here, it's you.
You lot might want Bond to stay in some sort of 1950s stasis, irrespective of the world around him, but i really hope that audiences at large has reached a point where they don't care if the actor playing James Bond happens to be black, or Asian, or ginger.
If you make this sort of thing a sticking point then you risk becoming consigned to the dustbin of history, like all those morons who kicked up a fuss about a Scottish milkman playing James Bond.
Good point. What's more, if a black is ever cast as Bond then that role will be seen by many as a role that should remain black from then on--reverting to a white actor would be decried as "rolling back social progress"--and other races/ethnicities will then be competing for their "fair share" of Bond. If a black is ever cast as Bond, then a true, white Bond could then become a rare occurrence. And many people would think that's just peachy.
Exactly. In the US there have been mighty furors when a white woman plays Cleopatra even though Cleopatra was in actuality at least 3/4 Greek!
I feel the same way about Hiddleston.
Who was created as a white character, and has remained white throughout his history.
But explain to me why wanting the character of Bond to remain white is the equvilant of wanting 'some sort of 1950s stasis'? How is the character being white somehow an old fashioned, antiquated idea?
You keep bringing up the Scottish thing, but like I keep telling you, no one was pushing for that. What you are saying is that we should change something just to appease a certain demographic. That's different from hiring Dalton who happened to be Welsh, or Brosnan who happened to be Irish. There is nothing out of touch about a white guy playing Bond. Stop pretending like its some sort of issue that needs to be addressed.
Disney owns the Bond franchise.
They plan a new start:
Justin Bieber as Bond
Selena Gomez as Bond girl
Daisy Ridley as Moneypenny
JJAbrams will direct.
Now imagine this:
2022:
Hiddleston, Elba or Hardy are playing Bond. The Sooby-Gang is the same as in SP.
Any complaints?
Have you crunched the numbers, mate? My impression is that, in comparison to their percentage within the West, they are probably overrepresented, and that goes for protagonists as well. Certainly they receive cinematic awards over and above their percentage of the population. And this is no surprise; pop industry panjandrums live in fear of being labeled racists so they cast movies in such a way as to protect their vulnerable flanks.
If it's the former, then I disagree. I think Bond should remain white. That's my opinion.
If it's the latter, then I agree but only as long as the actor in question is 'British' enough and can project Bondian attributes and characteristics. Then I don't think he should be eliminated from the pool of considered actors in the interest of fairness.
However, as I said, even in this case, he is likely to be eliminated purely from a probability standpoint. There is just a far larger pool of white actors who fit the Bond mold as envisaged by many, including Fleming.
Exactly.
According to contemporary Western values, racism is worse than murder. No foolin'.
Discuss
I didn't realize that was an old article at first, so all I could think was "Damn, Oyelowo is looking rough for only being 24 years old somehow!"
Damned if you do; damned if you don't.
You're free to wander back out.
This is my point exactly! I'm not saying we should change Bond's ethnicity to appease anyone, but how is casting an actor who happens to be black any different from casting an actor who happens to have green eyes? As long as they can act the part, why is skin colour a deal breaker?
Well you obviously care. A great deal.
Because it's an on/off visual transformation. The closest we have come to something similar is in the eyes, hair and height of the actors, but that's only because NO MATTER who they picked, they would always look slightly different than the last guy, have a different place of birth for instance. Those are things that EON couldn't control no matter who they pick. Race is an different matter.
I found it particularly offensive that Bond said 'filthy habit' in TND though. That was a bastardization & step too far imho, and reminded me of the old 'Charles Atlas' ads. Almost where Bond becomes an advocate for good behaviour. Shitting on Fleming imho.
I took that as Bonds disgust at maybe smoking, though that suspiciously looked like a Joint. So I took it as more distaste toward drugs.
I always bring up 'the slap'. The Bond I know would have caught that hand mid trajectory. He got it square in the face again in TWINE. Unacceptable.
I think by DAD they realized they needed to re inject some 'alpha' back. Hence the cigar among other things.
I always thought that was deliberately ironic. He's taking the piss.
If it was a joint then it's more acceptable, but still seemed a little like a 'Charles Atlas' or Captain America/Superman'esque moment when I first watched it.