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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    I completely forgot about that track. Great stuff.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,634
    Can we please get back on topic? One thing that I noticed for the possible future is Dave Bautista's anti-Disney comments, over James Gunn. If they were truly bringing him back, he may have blown his chances. He's about to get blacklisted, if he keeps it up.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    On topic? things tend to get a bit flexible in between official news. Speculation of a potential composer is on topic.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,585
    Just a guess...

    Composer:
    Pemberton 5-1
    Arnold 12-1
    Zimmer 15-1
    Desplat 25-1
    Gregson-Williams 30-1
    Newman 60-1

    Theme Song:
    Arctic Monkeys 8-1
    Sia 10-1
    Ellie Goulding 12-1
    Dua Lipa 15-1
    The Weeknd 18-1
    Coldplay 20-1
    Ed Sheeran 40-1
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    My SO introduced me to Arctic Monkeys a few months ago. I’d be interested to see them do a Bond song; they’re pretty good and I think they could work for Bond.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    FoxRox wrote: »
    My SO introduced me to Arctic Monkeys a few months ago. I’d be interested to see them do a Bond song; they’re pretty good and I think they could work for Bond.

    They have a few things working in their favor: 1. They have a history with Boyle, having been tapped to perform at the 2012 Olympics opening ceremonies; 2. Boyle may be more likely to go with a rock song; 3. They're, well...damn good; 4. It's time for a British band to do it: hasn't been done since Duran Duran in 1985.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    I think this is where Arnold may have the edge on some other composers. He has a track record of collaborating with and producing other artists. He is the only who can bring that Barry ability to work the theme song into the entire score.

    He did it brilliantly on CR and would again I am sure if given the chance.
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
    Posts: 233
    Sure, Arnold has collaborated with other bands but the model for the last 10 years is that the composer has had little/no input into the title songs. With two Oscars and chart topping hits, I can't see this changing. Not saying I agree with this approach but there it is.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Satorious wrote: »
    Sure, Arnold has collaborated with other bands but the model for the last 10 years is that the composer has had little/no input into the title songs. With two Oscars and chart topping hits, I can't see this changing. Not saying I agree with this approach but there it is.

    Yeah - I personally think it's a real shame. One of the most distinctive aspects of the Bond sound was that integration of the title song into the score.

    When Newman allowed us to hear brief snippets of Adele's and Smith's songs in SF and SP the scores were instantly elevated to something richer and more interesting. So much more could have been done on that front. A shame Newman had to be forced to do it at gun point.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    talos7 wrote: »
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Satorious wrote: »
    Re: Pemberton, you need to check out the score to The Game. Very cold war/Ipcress/Barryesque. I'm sure he would rise to the occasion, plus he's already worked with Boyle.

    The Game score is terrific – as is the series itself too. If you're a le Carré fan, this is the series for you. Need to rewatch it again soon.
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Satorious wrote: »
    Re: Pemberton, you need to check out the score to The Game. Very cold war/Ipcress/Barryesque. I'm sure he would rise to the occasion, plus he's already worked with Boyle.

    Great recommendation. Pemberton can do classy stuff, but The Game was the first instance where I felt he could be a good Bond composer.

    A lot of people cite The Man From U.N.C.L.E. as an example of why he would do a good job and I'm not sure why. It's a good score and I listen to it often but it was a bit too far into the parody realm for my liking to be an example of Bondian music. The Game was straight up classy.

    The UNCLE score isn't really that Bondian, IMO - more a homage to the continental Eurospy films, Morricone – with a hint of The Ipcress File(?).

    If you have Spotify, you can check out his UNCLE: Mood Board playlist. I think that gives an insight to what inspirations he had making the score.

    Guy Ritchie specifically didn't want Pemberton to do a Bond sound. Interview from 2015:

    https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/daniel-pemberton-u-n-c-l-e-score-avoids-007-sound/

    This is an interesting quote; I'll have to give "Into the Lair" a listen.


    Guy was very insistent it DIDN’T sound like Bond which I think is the template for any sort of spy cliche these days. So that was good. It meant we probably didn’t use as much brass as I originally thought we would but I think it gives our film a very different sonic palette. There’s one cue ‘Into The Lair’ which Guy was like, ‘It’s a bit Bondy – but I’ll let you have it,’ as it was all the big tremolo strings John Barry was so great at.


    Great read and that track posted above is certainly quite Barry'esque. Pemberton could do a good job imho.
    Getafix wrote: »
    I'm a firm believer that while the Barry sound needs to be respected, it would be nice to think there are great composers out there who could give us something new that isn't just a tired rehashing of what came before.
    There are, and I agree. There is more to Bond than Barry (great though he was). He is irreplaceable.

    Ultimately they have to move forward and strive for a new sound. I've respected all the composers who have attempted that (radical though their sound may have been for the series), and haven't liked those who have not.
  • nikos78nikos78
    Posts: 150
    I woud've expected this to be up already https://www.omegawatches.com/watches/seamaster/diver-300-m/gents-collection/product
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Good. Good. I was hoping to see Bond go back to Diver 300M rather than sticking with the abysmal Planet Ocean and Aqua Terra.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Interesting. So they may go back to the good old trusty 300M? It is still the most iconic James Bond Omega by far imho, so I wouldn't be surprised..
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    bondjames wrote: »
    Interesting. So they may go back to the good old trusty 300M? It is still the most iconic James Bond Omega by far imho, so I wouldn't be surprised..
    Definitely.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Satorious wrote: »
    Re: Pemberton, you need to check out the score to The Game. Very cold war/Ipcress/Barryesque. I'm sure he would rise to the occasion, plus he's already worked with Boyle.

    The Game score is terrific – as is the series itself too. If you're a le Carré fan, this is the series for you. Need to rewatch it again soon.
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Satorious wrote: »
    Re: Pemberton, you need to check out the score to The Game. Very cold war/Ipcress/Barryesque. I'm sure he would rise to the occasion, plus he's already worked with Boyle.

    Great recommendation. Pemberton can do classy stuff, but The Game was the first instance where I felt he could be a good Bond composer.

    A lot of people cite The Man From U.N.C.L.E. as an example of why he would do a good job and I'm not sure why. It's a good score and I listen to it often but it was a bit too far into the parody realm for my liking to be an example of Bondian music. The Game was straight up classy.

    The UNCLE score isn't really that Bondian, IMO - more a homage to the continental Eurospy films, Morricone – with a hint of The Ipcress File(?).

    If you have Spotify, you can check out his UNCLE: Mood Board playlist. I think that gives an insight to what inspirations he had making the score.

    Guy Ritchie specifically didn't want Pemberton to do a Bond sound. Interview from 2015:

    https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/daniel-pemberton-u-n-c-l-e-score-avoids-007-sound/

    This is an interesting quote; I'll have to give "Into the Lair" a listen.


    Guy was very insistent it DIDN’T sound like Bond which I think is the template for any sort of spy cliche these days. So that was good. It meant we probably didn’t use as much brass as I originally thought we would but I think it gives our film a very different sonic palette. There’s one cue ‘Into The Lair’ which Guy was like, ‘It’s a bit Bondy – but I’ll let you have it,’ as it was all the big tremolo strings John Barry was so great at.


    Great read and that track posted above is certainly quite Barry'esque. Pemberton could do a good job imho.
    If you go by single tracks you could take almost any composer, especially since modern composers are technically trained to analyse and emulate the classic ones. Show me one whole film score by Pemberton that doesn´t sag throughout.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    boldfinger wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Satorious wrote: »
    Re: Pemberton, you need to check out the score to The Game. Very cold war/Ipcress/Barryesque. I'm sure he would rise to the occasion, plus he's already worked with Boyle.

    The Game score is terrific – as is the series itself too. If you're a le Carré fan, this is the series for you. Need to rewatch it again soon.
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    Satorious wrote: »
    Re: Pemberton, you need to check out the score to The Game. Very cold war/Ipcress/Barryesque. I'm sure he would rise to the occasion, plus he's already worked with Boyle.

    Great recommendation. Pemberton can do classy stuff, but The Game was the first instance where I felt he could be a good Bond composer.

    A lot of people cite The Man From U.N.C.L.E. as an example of why he would do a good job and I'm not sure why. It's a good score and I listen to it often but it was a bit too far into the parody realm for my liking to be an example of Bondian music. The Game was straight up classy.

    The UNCLE score isn't really that Bondian, IMO - more a homage to the continental Eurospy films, Morricone – with a hint of The Ipcress File(?).

    If you have Spotify, you can check out his UNCLE: Mood Board playlist. I think that gives an insight to what inspirations he had making the score.

    Guy Ritchie specifically didn't want Pemberton to do a Bond sound. Interview from 2015:

    https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/daniel-pemberton-u-n-c-l-e-score-avoids-007-sound/

    This is an interesting quote; I'll have to give "Into the Lair" a listen.


    Guy was very insistent it DIDN’T sound like Bond which I think is the template for any sort of spy cliche these days. So that was good. It meant we probably didn’t use as much brass as I originally thought we would but I think it gives our film a very different sonic palette. There’s one cue ‘Into The Lair’ which Guy was like, ‘It’s a bit Bondy – but I’ll let you have it,’ as it was all the big tremolo strings John Barry was so great at.


    Great read and that track posted above is certainly quite Barry'esque. Pemberton could do a good job imho.
    If you go by single tracks you could take almost any composer, especially since modern composers are technically trained to analyse and emulate the classic ones. Show me one whole film score by Pemberton that doesn´t sag throughout.
    I thought his score for Ocean's 8 wasn't too bad. Same goes for Molly's Game and All The Money in the World. Given these are all recent, perhaps he is maturing as a composer. I used to feel that he showboated in the past, coming up with some memorable themes which he then overused (including in The Game), or creating scores which outshone the narrative onscreen (like in UNCLE).
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
    Posts: 3,277
    Maybe this was the Spain photo shoot?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    That wasn't confirmed as a Heineken ad?
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    That wasn't confirmed as a Heineken ad?

    I do not think that that was ever confirmed. @marketto007 might be right, in that the photo might have been part of a photo shoot in Spain. I looked at the photos: DC is definitely wearing a black tux, as seen here. However, you don't go all the way to Spain, especially to Cardona, for a simple photo shoot. There had to be more.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,539
    nikos78 wrote: »
    I woud've expected this to be up already https://www.omegawatches.com/watches/seamaster/diver-300-m/gents-collection/product

    TpGdjMG45koePVJ0oOKgvsh73u6rTEiKqpjrXjrohgo.jpg?w=576&s=7bbaa73d280e5a3a62bb10d88519e453

    Is his hair looking silver or is it just the lighting?

  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
    Posts: 2,541
    TripAces wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    That wasn't confirmed as a Heineken ad?

    I do not think that that was ever confirmed. @marketto007 might be right, in that the photo might have been part of a photo shoot in Spain. I looked at the photos: DC is definitely wearing a black tux, as seen here. However, you don't go all the way to Spain, especially to Cardona, for a simple photo shoot. There had to be more.

    There was more. A chase with a taxi and some cars involved...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    TpGdjMG45koePVJ0oOKgvsh73u6rTEiKqpjrXjrohgo.jpg?w=576&s=7bbaa73d280e5a3a62bb10d88519e453

    Is his hair looking silver or is it just the lighting?
    It's heavily airbrushed, as most of the Omega print ads normally are.
  • SonofSeanSonofSean
    Posts: 202
    I've seen some reports hinting at a possible Royal connection to the movie - perhaps due to Danny Boyle's 2012 Olympics Bond meets the Queen opening. I wonder if there any truth to this? Maybe the mission is this: a Royal family member is kidnapped (a princess?) and he has to rescue them (along with other 00 agents). But Bond gets too close to her, they fall in love (which is bad enough) and results in Bond getting his license revoked. She tells Bond that there is a plot to destroy monarchy - but cannot do anything about it because of he is shut out of MI6. The Princess is killed along with other Royal family members, but the Queen narrowly survives. so now it's personal for Bond. His final mission is to save the Queen and to punish the killers of the woman he (should not) have fallen in love with.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    nikos78 wrote: »
    I woud've expected this to be up already https://www.omegawatches.com/watches/seamaster/diver-300-m/gents-collection/product

    TpGdjMG45koePVJ0oOKgvsh73u6rTEiKqpjrXjrohgo.jpg?w=576&s=7bbaa73d280e5a3a62bb10d88519e453

    Is his hair looking silver or is it just the lighting?
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    nikos78 wrote: »
    I woud've expected this to be up already https://www.omegawatches.com/watches/seamaster/diver-300-m/gents-collection/product

    TpGdjMG45koePVJ0oOKgvsh73u6rTEiKqpjrXjrohgo.jpg?w=576&s=7bbaa73d280e5a3a62bb10d88519e453

    Is his hair looking silver or is it just the lighting?

    It's hard not to get excited when seeing Craig all Bond-esque. Furthermore? I'm a huge fan of the Brosnan era Omegas which Craig wore in the latter half of CR. It's nice to see a legit worthy update to such an iconic model. Unlike our good friend @ClarkDevlin I love the PO and the 2012 to 2016 era blue ATs. Hope Bond goes back to wearing this SM300 but on the bracelet.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    Very cool ad! Dying for news. Hopefully we’re getting closer.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    nikos78 wrote: »
    I woud've expected this to be up already https://www.omegawatches.com/watches/seamaster/diver-300-m/gents-collection/product

    TpGdjMG45koePVJ0oOKgvsh73u6rTEiKqpjrXjrohgo.jpg?w=576&s=7bbaa73d280e5a3a62bb10d88519e453

    Is his hair looking silver or is it just the lighting?

    It's a hint. Bond 25 is titled Come and Dive.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    The newer Omega models have been pretty poor in comparison with some of the earlier designs. The updated 300m doesn't look to be any different.

    The massive numbers on the bezels. The protruding 3D wave designs on the dial. The glass back. Pretty tacky, imo.

    Still, Craig looks cool.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Not a fan of the other versions but this certainly isnt something I'd cinsider tacky:

    se-diver300m-triptyque1.jpg
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    Posts: 1,261
    Well, about the iron fingernails... If I remeber it correctly, in the first trailers Hinx did not gouge the guy's eyes out, he somehow seemed to smah the fellow's head on the table. And I did not recognize Hinx's nils until the second time I watched it on the big screen. So maybe they changed the way, Hinx kills people. But you are right, why does he not try them on Bond, if he had them on? Like somebody said, we are shown Odd-Job's metal bowler, but we would nee him kill somebody with it. Or Jaws actually not using his metal teeth. A bit pointless to show the nails to the audience, but then not using them during the fight with Bond. Apart from that,the fight scene is quite inense and quite good, actually.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Not a fan of the other versions but this certainly isnt something I'd cinsider tacky:

    se-diver300m-triptyque1.jpg
    +1
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