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  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,408
    James Bond bosses holding crisis talks to avoid FIVE YEAR gap between movies after director and writer walked out
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/james-bond-bosses-holding-crisis-13140208

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  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,462
    Well that of course makes sense. They need to get things figured out quickly - if they feel they will have to delay or whatever. Hopefully part of these talks will be figuring out a way to prevent gaps like these in the future.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,740
    Mirror…
  • TR007TR007
    Posts: 1,165
    Hopefully we’ll get word soon enough on whether or not the movie will be delayed.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited August 2018 Posts: 1,661
    According to a claim from someone working at Pinewood studios (this seems legit but it's the internet so caution needed!)...

    The text in black is very revealing/interesting/shocking!
    Gareth Owen, on the James Bond Radio Podcast (and it should be said he has an office at Pinewood):

    “All these silly Bond rumors going around…

    Firstly, Sam Mendes will not return. He is in pre-production on a film that has a Dec ‘19 release date and is therefore busy. He also didn’t end on good terms with EON. Christopher Nolan is in pre-production on his own movie. He would want full creative input as director, writer, and producer, and would probably sing the theme tune. He would want to OWN it, so he’s out. Martin Campbell is also about to start shooting a movie too so he’s busy. Enough with these daft ideas.

    Danny Boyle was at Pinewood overseeing set building last Thursday so this came out of the blue with no Plan B. It was an argument over script changes the producers felt were needed. Boyle had complete faith in his writer of choice and refused to have anyone else come in. Surely it would only enhance things, but egos can do funny things.

    There is no one waiting in the wings to take on the Purvis and Wade script. That was effectively a first draft before it was shelved. It would need lots of work and any new director coming in would want to go through that process collaboratively. On the flip side MGM would be loathe to delay the release. Stock price would suffer and they wouldn’t want to write off expenditures as the result of a hiatus. If the producers are unhappy with the John Hodge script they could, as with Goldeneye, use it as the basis for a new script which would probably keep the story and structure, which they are in agreement on, and add a few twists and turns and sharpen up the dialog. It’s a risk to start production without a full script locked but not unheard of as with Tomorrow Never Dies.

    To my thinking they should resist bringing on board a big name personality director. Go with a proven working director and surround him with a top team. A PR winner, which would soon dismiss all thoughts of Danny Boyle, would be to appoint the first female director. It would also set a new exciting bar for the franchise going forward. Danny Boyle’s announcement as director hardly set the world’s press on fire and certainly his departure has claimed more column inches. Time to resolve that and move forward with confidence in a director who fits in with the producer’s and star’s vision and isn’t worried about being a company workhorse.”

    If this is all correct then a new screenplay would have to start, like, next week to be finished by December. I think a screenplay can be done in three months - from what I understand, TND screenplay wasn't complete during filming (!) - so anything is possible but I think it's fair to say the whole situation reminds me of Mrs May's Brexit plans - a balls-up! :P

    (thought I'd add a bit of politics just to spice things up) :P

    Basically the whole thing is a complete mess. Utter cock-up. Barbara and MG should fire themselves! Get George Lucas in or er.. Boris Johnson or someone that can get a hold of this and sort it out!!!






  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    I agree with him on Boyle. His announcement as director certainly didn't set the world on fire. I speculated a few weeks back that they needed some heft in the cast dept to create interest because there appeared to be a lack of buzz.

    I'm curious to see how much of Hodge's script is eventually retained. Would it just be the hook or idea, or more? I'd imagine this script was designed to work with Danny Boyle's unconventional vision and directing style. It may not work so well in the hands of another director, but then again it might.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
    It is what happens in filmmaking and I don't think anybody should be panicking or firing people. I still think it likely the Hodge script will be kept, but altered somewhat. Films with problems in production are not uncommon. I look forward to any official news, which may be relatively soon (week or two?).
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited August 2018 Posts: 1,261
    But what, if Demange or MacKenzie, given one of them signs to do B25, insist on Tomasz Kot to be cast? And I just found out, that '71 never got a theatrical release here in Germany. IT was screened during the Berlin Film Fetsival and later was a direct to DVD/BluRay release, and went more or less unnoticed.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,575
    DoctorKaufmann wrote: »
    But what, if Demange or MacKenzie, given one of them signs to do B25, insist on Tomasz Kot to be cast?

    Then have a seat, pour some whiskey and watch the other 24 films because it'll be awhile.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Well, we have to have at least faith that all involved in EON are actually thinking of things before we do. They are definitely more than a few steps ahead of what the public knows, right?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    The article on the MI6 homepage mentions that Hodge's script evolved from a script by Purvis and Wade—is this an error? I thought Hodge's script was his (and Boyle's) own original story. If it was originally P&W's, then it would make sense that the two of them would be brought back in to redevelop the screenplay, and that should certainly make the process go a whole lot faster.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I apologize if this has been posted previously. I've not caught up on the goings on here today. Nothing especially noteworthy here, but there are some interesting insights into what motivates him.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/aug/25/james-bond-25-yann-demange-director-danny-boyle-exit
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,195
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Aiden Turner for Bond? Are people having a laugh? Fake news in the words of the fat orange man with fake hair in the white house.
    Why inject politics?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,604
    talos7 wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Aiden Turner for Bond? Are people having a laugh? Fake news in the words of the fat orange man with fake hair in the white house.
    Why inject politics?

    Because people are that crazy and are going crazy over little things like this.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    According to a claim from someone working at Pinewood studios (this seems legit but it's the internet so caution needed!)...

    The text in black is very revealing/interesting/shocking!
    Gareth Owen, on the James Bond Radio Podcast (and it should be said he has an office at Pinewood):

    “All these silly Bond rumors going around…

    Firstly, Sam Mendes will not return. He is in pre-production on a film that has a Dec ‘19 release date and is therefore busy. He also didn’t end on good terms with EON. Christopher Nolan is in pre-production on his own movie. He would want full creative input as director, writer, and producer, and would probably sing the theme tune. He would want to OWN it, so he’s out. Martin Campbell is also about to start shooting a movie too so he’s busy. Enough with these daft ideas.

    Danny Boyle was at Pinewood overseeing set building last Thursday so this came out of the blue with no Plan B. It was an argument over script changes the producers felt were needed. Boyle had complete faith in his writer of choice and refused to have anyone else come in. Surely it would only enhance things, but egos can do funny things.

    There is no one waiting in the wings to take on the Purvis and Wade script. That was effectively a first draft before it was shelved. It would need lots of work and any new director coming in would want to go through that process collaboratively. On the flip side MGM would be loathe to delay the release. Stock price would suffer and they wouldn’t want to write off expenditures as the result of a hiatus. If the producers are unhappy with the John Hodge script they could, as with Goldeneye, use it as the basis for a new script which would probably keep the story and structure, which they are in agreement on, and add a few twists and turns and sharpen up the dialog. It’s a risk to start production without a full script locked but not unheard of as with Tomorrow Never Dies.

    To my thinking they should resist bringing on board a big name personality director. Go with a proven working director and surround him with a top team. A PR winner, which would soon dismiss all thoughts of Danny Boyle, would be to appoint the first female director. It would also set a new exciting bar for the franchise going forward. Danny Boyle’s announcement as director hardly set the world’s press on fire and certainly his departure has claimed more column inches. Time to resolve that and move forward with confidence in a director who fits in with the producer’s and star’s vision and isn’t worried about being a company workhorse.”

    If this is all correct then a new screenplay would have to start, like, next week to be finished by December. I think a screenplay can be done in three months - from what I understand, TND screenplay wasn't complete during filming (!) - so anything is possible but I think it's fair to say the whole situation reminds me of Mrs May's Brexit plans - a balls-up! :P

    (thought I'd add a bit of politics just to spice things up) :P

    Basically the whole thing is a complete mess. Utter cock-up. Barbara and MG should fire themselves! Get George Lucas in or er.. Boris Johnson or someone that can get a hold of this and sort it out!!!






    If this is all true, I don’t see how they can go on WITHOUT delaying the film. Doesn’t seem prudent to me.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    Posts: 1,661
    We don't need a new director- we need a new James Bond. All the new director is gonna do is watch SPECTRE and copy that style. This is why Danny 'Corbyn' Boyle was dumped. He wanted to make his own version of James Bond and Babs said "no, how dare you make your version of Bond. Who do you think you are, the director?"

    "Er..actually I am, Barbara."

    "Don't get smart with me, Danny. I am in charge!"

    Rumour has it he was in tears as he left the Pinewood car park. Poor Danny Boyle. Years in therapy await. :P

    The truth is we need a new James Bond actor. Why - because the new actor will have a different approach, a different sensibility. He won't be moping about Vesper or Dench's M, he won't worry about QUANTUM or SPECTRE or any other group with capital letters. No, the new Bond will be a fresh start and this will inspire the next director. Chris Nolan will be desperate to take on Bond 25 because it's a new start.

    Barbara has to get over her infatuation with Daniel. With due respect to the guy, he said he'd only return for the money and Barbara Broccoli is content with this attitude? You should have a bit more respect, Babs. You don't need Craig and the fans don't need him. It's time to move on. You hired Boyle to give you a different Bond film and then you say no and reject his ideas. It's clear you're stuck in a creative rut and that is due to your inability to know what to do with Craig's Bond. SPECTRE was the perfect ending to Craig's run but you're forcing the issue, trying to restart the ending with Bond 25 and look where it's got you...

    IN A RIGHT MESS!

    Delay Bond 25 for a year, pay off Craig, find a younger guy, perhaps one with a some playful flair and a reasonably handsome face, and off you go again. Bond 25 - a fresh start. If you stick with Craig you're just going nowhere. Daniel Craig was a decent Bond but his time ended in SPECTRE. Blofeld captured, SPECTRE defeated, C killed, Bond and Swann driving off to pay the London congestion charge... er I mean drive off into the metaphorical sunset. THE END.

    All you've done is force the ending and it's left you without a director. Time for a change. Time for a new Bond. James Bond.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited August 2018 Posts: 17,740
    I can't realistically imagine Craig stepping down from the role at this point. I agree with SP being a natural ending of his run, but he's signed on, and they will do all in their power to deliver a film in time for the planned release date.
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Danny 'Corbyn' Boyle

    ?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,604
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    We don't need a new director- we need a new James Bond. All the new director is gonna do is watch SPECTRE and copy that style. This is why Danny 'Corbyn' Boyle was dumped. He wanted to make his own version of James Bond and Babs said "no, how dare you make your version of Bond. Who do you think you are, the director?"

    "Er..actually I am, Barbara."

    "Don't get smart with me, Danny. I am in charge!"

    Rumour has it he was in tears as he left the Pinewood car park. Poor Danny Boyle. Years in therapy await. :P

    The truth is we need a new James Bond actor. Why - because the new actor will have a different approach, a different sensibility. He won't be moping about Vesper or Dench's M, he won't worry about QUANTUM or SPECTRE or any other group with capital letters. No, the new Bond will be a fresh start and this will inspire the next director. Chris Nolan will be desperate to take on Bond 25 because it's a new start.

    Barbara has to get over her infatuation with Daniel. With due respect to the guy, he said he'd only return for the money and Barbara Broccoli is content with this attitude? You should have a bit more respect, Babs. You don't need Craig and the fans don't need him. It's time to move on. You hired Boyle to give you a different Bond film and then you say no and reject his ideas. It's clear you're stuck in a creative rut and that is due to your inability to know what to do with Craig's Bond. SPECTRE was the perfect ending to Craig's run but you're forcing the issue, trying to restart the ending with Bond 25 and look where it's got you...

    IN A RIGHT MESS!

    Delay Bond 25 for a year, pay off Craig, find a younger guy, perhaps one with a some playful flair and a reasonably handsome face, and off you go again. Bond 25 - a fresh start. If you stick with Craig you're just going nowhere. Daniel Craig was a decent Bond but his time ended in SPECTRE. Blofeld captured, SPECTRE defeated, C killed, Bond and Swann driving off to pay the London congestion charge... er I mean drive off into the metaphorical sunset. THE END.

    All you've done is force the ending and it's left you without a director. Time for a change. Time for a new Bond. James Bond.

    I agree with you 100 percent. It seems Daniel Craig is to Barbara Broccoli what Roger Moore was with her father. Keep Ralph Fiennes as M and Ben Whislaw as Q is all I ask. And please make the new 007 a unknown. Less pressure!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Really? Well, I want Craig back 100% for Bond 25. No wavering on that. And I also think that would be best for the franchise. The amount of Craig hate on this forum has surprised me. Anyway, for sure EON is looking at all options. I'm hopeful director named relatively soon, Hodge script kept for most part, and Daniel definitely playing Bond in Bond 25. I'm happy for it to be his final film, and I want it to be an excellent one for many reasons including that it will end his era. I definitely don't like SP ending his run. It doesn't feel natural at all to me.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    DoctorKaufmann wrote: »
    But what, if Demange or MacKenzie, given one of them signs to do B25, insist on Tomasz Kot to be cast?

    Then have a seat, pour some whiskey and watch the other 24 films because it'll be awhile.

    Seriously, this wasn’t about a casting decision...
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    Really? Well, I want Craig back 100% for Bond 25. No wavering on that. And I also think that would be best for the franchise. The amount of Craig hate on this forum has surprised me. Anyway, for sure EON is looking at all options. I'm hopeful director named relatively soon, Hodge script kept for most part, and Daniel definitely playing Bond in Bond 25. I'm happy for it to be his final film, and I want it to be an excellent one for many reasons including that it will end his era. I definitely don't like SP ending his run. It doesn't feel natural at all to me.

    Agreed 100%.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    Posts: 727
    You all need to calm down. The mood in this thread is reaching a boyling point.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    Really? Well, I want Craig back 100% for Bond 25. No wavering on that. And I also think that would be best for the franchise. The amount of Craig hate on this forum has surprised me. Anyway, for sure EON is looking at all options. I'm hopeful director named relatively soon, Hodge script kept for most part, and Daniel definitely playing Bond in Bond 25. I'm happy for it to be his final film, and I want it to be an excellent one for many reasons including that it will end his era. I definitely don't like SP ending his run. It doesn't feel natural at all to me.

    Well done, mate. I think we are a silent majority that agrees with you.

    Honestly, like in Sir Roger’s Days— there mayve been actors who could bring this or that, but not what he was bringing in completion.

    It now may be the same (and I agree, Huddleston looks like he’s always sucking on a very thin straw at all times, and there is nothing masculine about him; Cavill is dumb but looks great; Thor is hot and maybe has potential of all the known leads... but if I want consistency, like in the Rog days? Gimme Craig over these guys)
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,843
    I also am happy with Craig and want him back
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Cheers, Peter! I think the next Bond is really unknowable for now. I cannot even make a good guess, and I hope it is someone "new" to our ears when we finally get real wind of the actor. But that is for the future. Now we just go one step at a time, us watching and wishing and being naturally impatient, as the powers that be (which is not us) take care of business. Because it is a business. But EON's track record is solid enough, and I'm for sure not worried about the series.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    Posts: 1,661
    It's possible this 'Boyle quits' affair has damaged Eon Productions. What I mean is, there could be director/screenwriters that may be less interested in working for Eon because they'll think their ideas will be rejected. Chris and Jonathan Nolan may look at Boyle's dismissal and think they could suffer the same fate? It seems clear Eon call the shots. If you speak out too much or can't compromise you end up like Danny Boyle.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,575
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I also am happy with Craig and want him back

    Agreed. Unlike in 04 when there was Jackman and Clive Owen amongst others, there's really no one that jumps out at me yet. Then again my dad and i shat on the Craig casting and were blown away a year later.
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited August 2018 Posts: 1,661
    Just provoking debate (don't take it too seriously) but the rumours are...

    Craig didn't get on with Martin Campbell!
    Craig didn't get on with Sam Mendes!
    It looks like Craig didn't get on with Danny Boyle. Boyle must have thought "seven months with this guy? - no thanks, I'm off!"

    LOL!

    Perhaps the reason Bond 25 is in the mess it's in... is Craig? Perhaps he's a bit toxic:






  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    It's possible this 'Boyle quits' affair has damaged Eon Productions. What I mean is, there could be director/screenwriters that may be less interested in working for Eon because they'll think their ideas will be rejected. Chris and Jonathan Nolan may look at Boyle's dismissal and think they could suffer the same fate? It seems clear Eon call the shots. If you speak out too much or can't compromise you end up like Danny Boyle.

    Dude, it’s James Bond. It’s. James. Bond. James Bond

  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited August 2018 Posts: 9,509
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    Cheers, Peter! I think the next Bond is really unknowable for now. I cannot even make a good guess, and I hope it is someone "new" to our ears when we finally get real wind of the actor. But that is for the future. Now we just go one step at a time, us watching and wishing and being naturally impatient, as the powers that be (which is not us) take care of business. Because it is a business. But EON's track record is solid enough, and I'm for sure not worried about the series.

    Well said!!
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