No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 15,106
    Shatterhand is a good title but I find it strange that they'd use it, even as a working title, if Bond 25 is meant to be a standalone with no or little relation to SPECTRE.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Shatterhand, shatterfoot...frankly i don't care what the film is called, just so long as we get one; a really good one and released on time.
    Agreed. I'll add that I'd also like a decent score and a better title song than that miserable trash we got last time as well.

    100%

    Music in a Bond film is almost as critical as casting the right leading actor. Music is just so critical in making these films more and SP really doo-doo'd the sheets.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Shatterhand, shatterfoot...frankly i don't care what the film is called, just so long as we get one; a really good one and released on time.
    Agreed. I'll add that I'd also like a decent score and a better title song than that miserable trash we got last time as well.

    100%

    Music in a Bond film is almost as critical as casting the right leading actor. Music is just so critical in making these films more and SP really doo-doo'd the sheets.
    I completely agree. It sets the tone and the mood and can either elevate or ruin what's happening visually. They have to get that right this time, especially given their storied reputation and class leading history on this front. It's almost basic. Otherwise pack up shop, sell and go home.
  • Posts: 6,709
    That "The Writing's on the Wall" song is abominable. It's one of the reasons I don't rewatch SP that often. I really, really hate that song. In comparison, I love Madonna's Die Another Day and Lulu's The Man with the Golden Gun, and that is saying a lot. Please no more falsetto crap. Last time I loved a Bond song was Dame Shirley Bassey's Quantum of Solace ;)
    Although I really liked Adele's Skyfall. Really.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Lemme just say, if this is gonna be a 'Bond dies' film, or a 'Bond's girl gets killed- this time it's personal' movie, I'm out. But I really don't think they'd do that.
    ....right?
  • Posts: 6,709
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Lemme just say, if this is gonna be a 'Bond dies' film, or a 'Bond's girl gets killed- this time it's personal' movie, I'm out. But I really don't think they'd do that.
    ....right?

    "I really don't think they'd do that" is not a frase I use anymore.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Univex wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Lemme just say, if this is gonna be a 'Bond dies' film, or a 'Bond's girl gets killed- this time it's personal' movie, I'm out. But I really don't think they'd do that.
    ....right?

    "I really don't think they'd do that" is not a frase I use anymore.
    True. While it's good to remain cautiously optimistic, it's strongly advisable not to take anything for granted at this point.
    Univex wrote: »
    That "The Writing's on the Wall" song is abominable. It's one of the reasons I don't rewatch SP that often. I really, really hate that song. In comparison, I love Madonna's Die Another Day and Lulu's The Man with the Golden Gun, and that is saying a lot. Please no more falsetto crap. Last time I loved a Bond song was Dame Shirley Bassey's Quantum of Solace ;)
    Although I really liked Adele's Skyfall. Really.
    Dame Bassey's effort was far better than what they finally chose imho. I can understand them wanting a slightly harder toned song to compliment Craig's visceral toughness in that film, but the rejected theme seemed more Bondian to me.

    One concern I have is the relatively tight timeline that these people give the composer to work within. Even Barry complained about this in the past, and now with the director change it's likely to be even more compressed at the end. With the creative aspects of music, more time generally should lend itself to something better and balanced.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Spectre's score and the title song were not top notch, but call them trash or abominable? The general hate on Spectre in this forum is pretty harsh and honestly really annoying. I just don't understand it...
  • mybudgetbondmybudgetbond The World
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Spectre's score and the title song were not top notch, but call them trash or abominable? The general hate on Spectre in this forum is pretty harsh and honestly really annoying. I just don't understand it...
    +1

    There’s a lot of good stuff in Spectre.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,604
    matt_u wrote: »
    Spectre's score and the title song were not top notch, but call them trash or abominable? The general hate on Spectre in this forum is pretty harsh and honestly really annoying. I just don't understand it...

    I agree. I honestly would like to see Christoph Waltz come back. Just don't mention their step brothers, more acting effort put in by Waltz, and he can be the modern day Blofeld. Waltz originally said he would come back if Daniel Craig did. Also, he said a lot of things that weren't true for SPECTRE. Considering his talent, and role as Blofeld, he deserves a second chance.

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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Shatterhand is a good title but I find it strange that they'd use it, even as a working title, if Bond 25 is meant to be a standalone with no or little relation to SPECTRE.

    I think Bond 25 was only going to be a stand alone due to Boyle/Hodge story. P & W story could be a follow up from spectre
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,604
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Shatterhand is a good title but I find it strange that they'd use it, even as a working title, if Bond 25 is meant to be a standalone with no or little relation to SPECTRE.

    I think Bond 25 was only going to be a stand alone due to Boyle/Hodge story. P & W story could be a follow up from spectre

    I can see a fourth screenwriter trying to bring the two scripts together. I won't be opposed to that. Also, I feel that there will still be a connection to DC's previous films, in particular the fact that this is NOW (apparently), his last movie.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Can anyone locate the report from The Times that mentioned location scouting in Africa?
  • Posts: 15,106
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Shatterhand is a good title but I find it strange that they'd use it, even as a working title, if Bond 25 is meant to be a standalone with no or little relation to SPECTRE.

    I think Bond 25 was only going to be a stand alone due to Boyle/Hodge story. P & W story could be a follow up from spectre

    It could be, but from what I understand they like the premisse of Boyle's script and would keep it? Unless Shatterhand is merely the title for the P&W script, not Boyle's and the media are confusing the two.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Shatterhand is a good title but I find it strange that they'd use it, even as a working title, if Bond 25 is meant to be a standalone with no or little relation to SPECTRE.

    I think Bond 25 was only going to be a stand alone due to Boyle/Hodge story. P & W story could be a follow up from spectre

    I can see a fourth screenwriter trying to bring the two scripts together. I won't be opposed to that. Also, I feel that there will still be a connection to DC's previous films, in particular the fact that this is NOW (apparently), last movie.
    I agree. I think they will try to mesh them in some way, but I'm curious to see which script takes precedence. Just due to timing, I would assume the Hodge one, but one never knows. I also think they will try to wrap it up again too, this time in a better manner than they tried last time.
  • Posts: 17,744
    matt_u wrote: »
    Spectre's score and the title song were not top notch, but call them trash or abominable? The general hate on Spectre in this forum is pretty harsh and honestly really annoying. I just don't understand it...
    +1

    There’s a lot of good stuff in Spectre.

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  • QQ7QQ7 Croatia
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    Univex wrote: »
    That "The Writing's on the Wall" song is abominable. It's one of the reasons I don't rewatch SP that often. I really, really hate that song. In comparison, I love Madonna's Die Another Day and Lulu's The Man with the Golden Gun, and that is saying a lot. Please no more falsetto crap. Last time I loved a Bond song was Dame Shirley Bassey's Quantum of Solace ;)
    Although I really liked Adele's Skyfall. Really.

    Weak tbh. On the other hand I can't bealive that they have turned down this masterpiece.

  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Spectre's score and the title song were not top notch, but call them trash or abominable? The general hate on Spectre in this forum is pretty harsh and honestly really annoying. I just don't understand it...

    Agreed. I can see why people loathe Smith's vocals, but the song itself is actually pretty good.

    Had they used an instrumental version like this, it would have been a memorable title song.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Walecs wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Spectre's score and the title song were not top notch, but call them trash or abominable? The general hate on Spectre in this forum is pretty harsh and honestly really annoying. I just don't understand it...

    Agreed. I can see why people loathe Smith's vocals, but the song itself is actually pretty good.

    Had they used an instrumental version like this, it would have been a memorable title song.


    It really should have been a instrumental song like OHMSS. Sam Smith didn't deserve his Oscar.
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    What if we got an instrumental for the first time since OHMSS for Bond 25’s title song/credits? I’d be very open to it!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Spectre's score and the title song were not top notch, but call them trash or abominable? The general hate on Spectre in this forum is pretty harsh and honestly really annoying. I just don't understand it...

    I agree. I honestly would like to see Christoph Waltz come back. Just don't mention their step brothers, more acting effort put in by Waltz, and he can be the modern day Blofeld. Waltz originally said he would come back if Daniel Craig did. Also, he said a lot of things that weren't true for SPECTRE. Considering his talent, and role as Blofeld, he deserves a second chance.

    While we're at it, bring back Jeffery Wright as Felix Leiter. He makes everything better, he should be fighting alongside Daniel Craig, in action scenes. He’s the best Felix along with Jack Lord.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/bond-25-felix-leiter-jeffrey-wright-return/amp/

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/979634/James-Bond-25-Felix-Leiter-Jeffrey-Wright-Westworld-season-2-Daniel-Craig-Casino-Royale/amp

    https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/04/09/is-jeffrey-wright-teasing-the-return-of-felix-leiter-in-bond-25

    A long shot, but I want it!
  • Posts: 17,744
    FoxRox wrote: »
    What if we got an instrumental for the first time since OHMSS for Bond 25’s title song/credits? I’d be very open to it!

    Same! But I doubt an instrumental will have the same commercial effect as a theme song with a contemporary artist or band.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 2,115
    jake24 wrote: »
    Can anyone locate the report from The Times that mentioned location scouting in Africa?

    Here you go:

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/times-up-danny-boyle-direct-another-day-h5q3hgnjm
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    jake24 wrote: »
    Can anyone locate the report from The Times that mentioned location scouting in Africa?

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/times-up-danny-boyle-direct-another-day-h5q3hgnjm
    Cheers.
  • peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    This all makes sense and sounds pretty great, frankly.

    If they go with P&W's script, we get the YOLT adaptation that many of us have wanted for years. (The garden of death, the question room, Kissy Suzuki's name mentioned onscreen?, Bond and Blofeld in a final and decisive confrontation?).

    If they go with Hodge's script, we get something fresh and new.

    Or maybe they'll combine the two (YOLT *is* a bit light on story) and we'll get the best of both worlds...

    Perhaps they can get Paul Haggis back on the job. Pay him whatever he wants. The money is better spent on script than on the biggest explosion in cinema or whatever.
    Why are people still mentioning John Hodge’s script? Wasn’t it confirmed that Hodge is out along with Boyle? You can’t have a writer leave and then just go ahead and use his ideas. I’m sure that’s illegal and grounds for a lawsuit just begging to happen.
    Eon may own the script; I think I’ve read they do. I sure someone around here knows.

    EoN paid Hodge for his script, it’s forever, in perpetuity, owned by EoN.

    And they can now do anything with this script.
    It doesn’t make sense then when they say that John Hodge exited the project, along with Boyle. If he exited then to me that either means he takes his script with him or he exited before finishing the script. If it’s the latter and they decide to have P&W finish Hodge’s script then obviously they have to give Hodge credit in the finished film, otherwise it’s a case of stealing someone’s work and not acknowledging their contribution.

    Thinking of this scenario I’m reminded of the whole McClory debacle. Didn’t he and Fleming and some other writers sit down and come up with some idea (not even a finished script I’m sure) and then when they tried to use those ideas for TB without giving proper credit to McClory he made a major stink about it, even though he wasn’t even part of the film production? Eventually of course they not only had to relent and make him part of the film production but had to let him produce the film. And all he did was come up with some small idea, unlike Hodge who I’m sure came up with much more.

  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Spectre's score and the title song were not top notch, but call them trash or abominable? The general hate on Spectre in this forum is pretty harsh and honestly really annoying. I just don't understand it...

    The titles song was just horrendous - can't stand Sam Smith (is that his name?) bloody awful voice [imho], the rest of the score didn't offend or delight and parts of the film were good but it should have been a stand alone offering, not trying to link all of Craig's films together, that was a huge wrong step. Let's hope 'Shatterhand' (a title I've championing for the last 3/4 years) has a decent singer for the theme [Tom Jones, please].
  • Posts: 385
    Univex wrote: »
    That "The Writing's on the Wall" song is abominable. It's one of the reasons I don't rewatch SP that often. I really, really hate that song. In comparison, I love Madonna's Die Another Day and Lulu's The Man with the Golden Gun, and that is saying a lot. Please no more falsetto crap. Last time I loved a Bond song was Dame Shirley Bassey's Quantum of Solace ;)
    Although I really liked Adele's Skyfall. Really.

    I can tolerate WotW while watching it as part of the film, but that's the only time. It's quite bad otherwise.
  • Thomas Newman did a great job of scoring the last two Bond films. He created great mood and atmosphere. Five from David Arnold is enough.
  • //Thinking of this scenario I’m reminded of the whole McClory debacle. Didn’t he and Fleming and some other writers sit down and come up with some idea (not even a finished script I’m sure) and then when they tried to use those ideas for TB without giving proper credit to McClory he made a major stink about it, even though he wasn’t even part of the film production?//

    1. I think McClory was the producer. He definitely was part of the project.

    2. They had completed scripts. I read one of them, a first draft Jack Whittingham did that was completed in early 1960. I know there were others.
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