No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Come here for the Bond. Stay for the Raiders vs. FYEO competition, the musings about Baz (He's on holiday? How is that allowed?!!), and fans deciding how to best kill Bond off. At least this makes for good breakfast reading. ;)

    This thread is incredible sometimes. Or, most of the time.

    Sometimes you just get tired of repeating yourself, so you let people run wild. Unfortunately, they're like Energizer Bunnies.
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    Come here for the Bond. Stay for the Raiders vs. FYEO competition, the musings about Baz (He's on holiday? How is that allowed?!!), and fans deciding how to best kill Bond off. At least this makes for good breakfast reading. ;)

    This thread is incredible sometimes. Or, most of the time.

    Sometimes you just get tired of repeating yourself, so you let people run wild. Unfortunately, they're like Energizer Bunnies.

    That's a good way to put it! I really look forward to when the real news reaches the media and this thread. Then we at least have something else than rumours to discuss.
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    White Boy Rick premieres tomorrow night according to Yann Demange himself....



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    I'm sticking with my Demange prediction. I think he will be/already is the one...
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I'd be happy enough with Demange, too.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,753
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I'm sticking with my Demange prediction. I think he will be/already is the one...

    Bold move going with a director that's only made two(?) films, if he's the one they choose. Maybe that's what the series need too – an up-and-coming director?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    For Your Eyes Only features a stuntman driving a motorbike down a bob sleigh. Not only is that insanely dangerous, if you ride off the side or hit the side you can be killed instantly or suffer horrendous injury, it's comparable to the danger of hanging to the underside of a moving vehicle in Raiders.

    Shardlake,

    To say
    FYEO is amatuer hour in comparrison,
    seems a bit insulting to everyone involved on that film, but hey, we all have our opinions! And anyway, FYEO had one of the most iconic scenes in the franchise - Bond eliminating Loque. That entire scene is a classic. The gun battle in the warehouse, the explosion, Bond chasing Loque, Bond aiming, firing his gun, the car swerving to the edge of the cliff type edge, Bond kicking the car.

    Hardly amateur hour film making.
    This!! Thank you!

    Either people totally forget about the crazy stunts in FYEO (some of the best in the series) or purposely choose to ignore them just because they’re in a John Glen film, but FYEO is one heck of a ride! Also the Citroen chase is one of my favorites in the series. Expertly shot and executed (great driving of all cars involved there courtesy of Remy Julienne’s crack team) and with a superb Bill Conti score to back it all up. Let’s not forget that FYEO has a very engaging Cold War story to boot, with a great twist involving Kristatos and Columbo. The iconic scene with Locque of course speaks volumes as well. It’s a film that gets better and better for me with each viewing. I’m also a huge fan of the Conti score and feel that it adds a lot to the mood of the film. It was a great way to usher in the 80s Bond! The track “Submarine” is one of my favorite renditions of the Bond theme.

    Regarding the aforementioned motorcycle on a bobsled run I wholly concur - drag me underneath a Raiders truck anyday (and twice on Sunday) before I’d ever let anyone launch me on a motorcycle full speed down a bob sled run! That’s just insane!! I hope folks do realize that professional bob sledders have been killed on these runs. Now imagine what can happen to a guy on a motorcycle that’s trapped inside this run and barreling down full steam. Hello?? I dare say even Tom Cruise wouldn’t touch that one.

    I'll admit Amatuer hour was harsh but I'm not apologising otherwise, Raiders leaves FYEO in the dust regardless of it's stunts, so what does it have a screenplay or consistent performances like ROTLA, Raiders doesn't have corny nonsense like Janet Brown playing that evil woman for laughs. Raiders like I say is a completely different ball park and you can argue it to the cows come home but history has already decided this one.

    Only die hard Bond fans would try and argue such nonsense.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2018 Posts: 12,480
    Well, Baz is tweeting. Just not on James Bond.
    https://twitter.com/BazBam?lang=en

    And now I think Rhys would be great in a Bond film. Hadn't thought of that before.
    (and NO Baz is not saying that; this is just what he recently tweeted, NOT on Bond. I doubt he is on vacation, but who knows?)
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    I remember when there were rumors that Rhys Ifans would be in Skyfall.
  • @Shardlake as for consistent performances in FYEO I’ll repeat again that Roger Moore runs circles around Harrison Ford (and I like Ford). But Ford lacks the charisma. Come on, it’s Sir Rog. He shines whether he plays it light or dark in FYEO. Even when his age is starting to show Rog’s charisma never wanes. Also big fan of Topol as Columbo and Carole Bouquet as Melina (love her long dark hair and those EYES - have mercy!). And yes I thought Maggie Thatcher was funny in the film but then I love Bond humor so I welcome things like this.

    Paul Freeman is an okay villain in RAIDERS but hardly something special. About on par with Julian Glover in FYEO. Ronald Lacey is more creepy and effective! John-Rhys Davies is probably my favorite supporting actor in RAIDERS. Karen Allen is just... well... Karen Allen.
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
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    FWIW, Top Gun: Maverick has just been pushed back one year til June 2020. Not good karma here.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    @Shardlake as for consistent performances in FYEO I’ll repeat again that Roger Moore runs circles around Harrison Ford (and I like Ford). But Ford lacks the charisma. Come on, it’s Sir Rog. He shines whether he plays it light or dark in FYEO. Even when his age is starting to show Rog’s charisma never wanes. Also big fan of Topol as Columbo and Carole Bouquet as Melina (love her long dark hair and those EYES - have mercy!). And yes I thought Maggie Thatcher was funny in the film but then I love Bond humor so I welcome things like this.

    Paul Freeman is an okay villain in RAIDERS but hardly something special. About on par with Julian Glover in FYEO. Ronald Lacey is more creepy and effective! John-Rhys Davies is probably my favorite supporting actor in RAIDERS. Karen Allen is just... well... Karen Allen.

    You lost me with the bolded. Like, come on.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Baz mentions Boyle left when producers wanted to bring on a new writer. Makes me wonder if they are switching scripts.
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    Bentley007 wrote: »


    Baz mentions Boyle left when producers wanted to bring on a new writer. Makes me wonder if they are switching scripts.

    Probably. I assumed Boyle left because of a lack of control; he probably figured his original vision would be compromised, and so he figured it wasn’t worth it. Something like that.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Very interesting. From the above link.

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    "There’s a lot of pressure on the producers of James Bond 25 to find a filmmaker to take over from Danny Boyle, who quit when Daniel Craig and fellow producers insisted on replacing screenwriter John Hodge.

    Several studio sound-stages were booked for the picture. Problem is: do they hang on to them, or give them up?

    Tense situation behind the scenes, finding a director prepared to be ruled over by Mr Craig
    ."
    ---

    Two things from the above, if taken literally. First, they apparently wanted to replace Hodge. Furthermore Baz makes a point about Craig's control.

    If I remember correctly, Boyle's involvement was always conditional on Hodge. That was noted when the story originally broke. So it's perhaps unsurprising that he left, if the above is true.
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    Could be a good thing, maybe hodge turned in something mediocre similar to spectre & craig vetoed it
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Very interesting. From the above link.

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    "There’s a lot of pressure on the producers of James Bond 25 to find a filmmaker to take over from Danny Boyle, who quit when Daniel Craig and fellow producers insisted on replacing screenwriter John Hodge.

    Several studio sound-stages were booked for the picture. Problem is: do they hang on to them, or give them up?

    Tense situation behind the scenes, finding a director prepared to be ruled over by Mr Craig
    ."
    ---

    Two things from the above, if taken literally. First, they apparently wanted to replace Hodge. Furthermore Baz makes a point about Craig's control.

    If I remember correctly, Boyle's involvement was always conditional on Hodge. That was noted when the story originally broke. So it's perhaps unsurprising that he left, if the above is true.

    So it seems as though Craig is, in fact, a bossy Bond.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Should have gone with Yann Demange to begin with.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Designing sets and scouting locations means they’ve already chosen the Boyle script but wanted to make adjustments... the safe bet is it’s the third act. EON chronically struggles with the third act, you would think it would have been settled long ago,but as their history repeats they can make that decision in the 11th hour.

    let’s hope they can fix what’s needed in the script and not turn it into a frankstein monster and also hire a director who can infuse energy and action
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    I’m so confused. I thought everyone, including Craig was on board with the script/screenplay months ago. Why all of the sudden did they want Hodge out this late in the game? Does this mean they’re completely scrapping Hodge’s script? If so, there’s no way in hell this movie is coming out in 2019.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They were on board with the idea. There was no script.
  • //If I remember correctly, Boyle's involvement was always conditional on Hodge.//

    Specifically, Boyle and Hodge pitched the idea. Hodge would write it into a script. Boyle was interested in directing only if his and Hodge's idea/script was approved. The May 25 announcement said Boyle was directing from an original screenplay by Boyle.

    More detailed chronology here:

    https://spycommandfeatures.wordpress.com/bond-25-timeline/
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited August 2018 Posts: 4,617
    If they wanted Purvis and Wade or another writer to work on their script, it’s really a double edged sword, for both sides.
  • If Bamigboye is correct, it suggests Boyle and Hodge should have done more due diligence about how Bond films work. Just look at the last two films:

    --P&W start Skyfall. Mendes brings in John Logan. Later, he brings in Jez Butterworth for uncredited revisions. Three of the four get a credit.

    --Logan starts SPECTRE. P&W are summoned back to "save" it. Butterworth gets involved yet again. All four get a credit.
  • If Bamigboye is correct, it suggests Boyle and Hodge should have done more due diligence about how Bond films work. Just look at the last two films:

    --P&W start Skyfall. Mendes brings in John Logan. Later, he brings in Jez Butterworth for uncredited revisions. Three of the four get a credit.

    --Logan starts SPECTRE. P&W are summoned back to "save" it. Butterworth gets involved yet again. All four get a credit.

    Every time someone new enters the director's chair, it becomes almost a complete one-off, except for QoS. The best bet for the producers including Craig, who could remain as a producer or director of the Bond franchise after Bond 25, is to stick with P&W and make an offer to Marc Forster to return.
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    I’m sure part of the issue was that Boyle expected more creative control than he was ever going to get.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    If Marc Forster was able to make QOS as awesome as it it, then he can probably make a decent movie out of this mess.
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    I wish. Sadly it’s probably a very long shot, but I’d love Forster back.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I'm also sure that Boyle and Hodge didn't want their script touched by anyone else, especially Purvis and Wade. That (they probably thought), would keep their ideas as fresh as possible, and their creative freedom at a high for themselves.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 4,619
    bondjames wrote: »
    Danny Boyle, who quit when Daniel Craig and fellow producers insisted on replacing screenwriter John Hodge.

    Who the hell does Daniel Craig think he is, telling Danny Boyle that his writer has to go? I've really had it with Craig's petulance and arrogance. He has to go. I now fully support @Mendes4Lyfe .
    If Bamigboye is correct, it suggests Boyle and Hodge should have done more due diligence about how Bond films work.

    If Bamigboye is correct, it suggests EON should have done more due diligence about how Danny Boyle operates.
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