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Campbell made two Bond films, both successful, both also completely different, tonally and stylistically, even if he brought some of the crewmembers working on GE back for CR.
A director doesn't necessarily have to reproduce his "first" Bond film when he makes another one several entries later. So in that respect, I'm sure that if Forster were allowed to do B25, he might very well consider going a different way with it. Besides, it's not like he'd have complete reign over this project anyway.
I remember about December January time I expressed my worry about the lack of news, and the common response seemed to be that EON had much going on behind the scenes, and things were far further along than we knew about. Now hear we are, nearly a year later, still no announced director or even casting rumours (besides the villain). Now Craig is working on another project in the months leading up to B25 start date. This is someone who has made five films in the last five years, suddenly he is doing two in the next 10 months? Just seems strange, considering he is a co-producer of Bond, and knows by now how much effort and focus these things take.
I do think it's possible that EON saw Fallout and realised that what they were preparing just wouldn't compete on an action front. This is what makes me think they threw out his script altogether and went back to the P+W treatment. Only question now is can they find a director willing to wrap up the Craig era, work from a incomplete script and against a tight deadline? It will be an fascinating couple of weeks.
The defining films of the Craig era will be CR and SF but for me QoS is in the same league. Craig‘s first 3 are all awesome, imho. I really only mind the editing of QoS.
The Bourne Identity made half as much as Die Another Day, and they came out the same year. EON still took notice.
B25 has a very good chance to improve on SP and most likely will be better than SP.
Now, all we get is absolute silence and a rotten détente, as if we were the enemy or worst, people without the right to care for their franchise. I've heard countless times that we don't have the right to expect more from them on the communications department, but hell, why not? It would serve both interests. Do they need to do it? No, absolutely not. Should they? Of course they should. If I worked for them, I'd find many entertaining ways to keep the fans appeased. Even in the darkest of hours. It's not rocket science.
The all thing just sounds like "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" said from a very high balcony. And yes, I do know they've been catering to the fan base, film wise, with the references and all. But that is not what the majority of fans want, actually. They just want to feel a bit closer to the production. A bit part of it. Even if we don't actually use the loo or the kitchen in the bloody palace.
Not screaming for the revolution here, I just don't understand it. I know it's a high horse, but there is something to say about the people on it. And no, Panchito, don't feel the need to kick the horse and the rider on the chins. This is all good sports.
I say, bring back Yarborough or a simple direct liaison. Bloody hell, if we put our contributions in a jar, we could pay for his job, if the guys at EON deem it too expensive for their golden stitched pockets.
The perfect director, story, writers, cast. It has to be what they want. Well, it's never going to happen. EON don't make Bond films entirely for Bond fans. They make them for cinemagoers, and too make money. A change in ownership or the producers is not going to make a massive difference. If anything it'll make things worse. An unknown producer, wanting to change things too much. Potentially. Tried and tested is my preferred route.
Imagine if this forum was around in 1968. A new Bond film was on the horizon. A new Bond actor was being cast. Sean Connery's replacement. Not a chance, well maybe we'll give the guy a go. Who is he? A model...the Big Fry man. Seriously he has no acting experience. The director is who? Peter Hunt. But he's never directed before, he's an editor. This is all shaping up to be the worst Bond film ever. The series is over, I have lost faith in Broccoli and Saltzman.
But look at the result. One of the most beloved films of the series. For many.
A new Bond film will be released. Most likely in 2019 on schedule, unless we hear otherwise. I don't understand why some people get so frustrated about this, when there is absolutely nothing any of us can do about it.
Of course as fans we can discuss this, but it shouldn't be something to dwell on, or get overly concerned about. News will come, when it's ready.
Excellent post, sir.
The frustration is giving way to irrational scaremongering about selling up shop and it doesn't do anyone any favours at all.
Also, his answers are very much the same as his aunt's. Quite the diplomat. He's the future of all of this, not an outsider.
Precisely. That is precisely why they'd be fools not to study it closely. Not only did it achieve what SP set out to do more successfully, but it captured the spirit of the way things were done in the past, while embracing and looking towards the future. A landmark action film in my humble view, at a time when the genre is teetering on irrelevancy in the wake of a decade of Marvel dominance. It may not have made as much as SP, but it has reinforced fan's passion for the series and that passion and enthusiasm from the core is growing with each entry. As I remarked in a much earlier post, I don't know of anyone who 'hates' or 'strongly dislikes' the last three MI films. Can we say the same about the last three Bond films, irrespective of how much money they make today?
Having said that, it's not something that can be easily emulated. The level of effort, fan love and dedication required to deliver something like that can't be readily duplicated.
I agree. There's no need to get upset or overly excited at this point, although recent revelations are somewhat concerning, if I'm being honest. If that release date is moved into 2020, then I can fully understand and will completely support anyone who has a nervous breakdown or throws their toys out of the pram - unless a recast accompanies the move.
I'm not familiar with Yarborough, but completely agree that they have to do a better job with fan PR management. These films make a lot of money these days and are 'event' pics. They should ensure that PR reflects that upgrade as well.
Hope so. And in doing so, it would open a precedent on how the worst circumstances can give way to the best of films. And then we would have nothing to quarrel about on another pre production nightmare ;)
High hopes, always, even in the darkest of hours. KBO, I say ;)
You're touching on problems that seem to be plaguing many fandom(s) across the board at the moment. I can't say I've loved every creative choice made by my favorite franchises over the last decade, but I also can't imagine harboring the levels of anger and personal entitlement some seem to have toward these properties.
I do think that many of those people mean well. I really do want to believe that. We're all fans, we all love these things for some reason, and I think we share a common denominator of just wanting the best experience possible.
And I'm not excusing poor creative or business decisions that have a tangible affect on films like this. They happen. All the time. It can be an unfortunate and absolutely grueling process.
But my hope would be that if folks have strong negative feelings toward a franchise they say they love, they can find a better way to deal with them than just flaming the property online.
I say -- use it. Channel it. Take that energy and create something of value for yourself, or for others. The irony in today's world is that we all can participate in that process if we don't like the way something's going. The tools are everywhere. But I guess it just seems (unfortunately) easier to express one's own feelings by standing on the shoulders of those who've given real emotion and effort to the attempt and trying to tear them down.
Spot on.
The thing to remember, when it comes to the fans, is that for some of us the problems didn't just start in the last few years. Some have an easier time seeing the faults in CR QoS and SF, and for them the series has needed a change for far longer. The latest run of films have their unique set of merits, but for some they just didn't do it for them. All they are really calling for is a change of direction, which it's believed is long overdue. Thats a valid opinion. Not millenial entitlement, it's just people voicing their perspective. After over a decade, what may have seemed fresh and exciting to begin with is no longer so, and waiting still longer for more of the same is, too some, taking the Mickey.