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  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited September 2018 Posts: 9,509
    TripAces wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm glad we have the director finally. I'm not as enthused by the delay but at least it's not too long. True Detective 1 is indeed excellent, but that kind of sensibility may not play well into global box office. It could be a bit obtuse.

    A few points I noticed regarding this, given the nature of the conversation that has been ongoing on this thread for the past month.

    1. there is a delay
    2. the film will release in early 2020 (and not late 2020)
    3. the director is American
    4. the announcement came out of the blue and was a name we didn't hear beforehand
    5. they annouced the director as soon as he was locked, and didn't wait
    6. Variety, The Hollywood Reporter and countless others got it right

    I hope this demonstrates that there's nothing wrong with speculation by amateurs in lieu of hard facts. That should perhaps be kept in mind going forward. Those who predicted the above, congratulations. Well done. I was on the wrong side of some of the above, especially 2. and 4.

    Do the best predictors get a prize?
    A little humility and decorum would be just fine with me going forward. Nothing more is needed.

    Apart from trying to gas-light a situation, I will point out a few things of my own:

    Very few people (one, and sometimes two, in most cases), sided with a poster by the name of nosolaceleft--

    Whatever our thoughts on the man, and I read his "novel", and I have plenty of adjectives, that I will put them aside-- he was far from humble, and;

    He stretched decorum, at best.

    So it's rich when some of his most strident defenders ask for humility and decor.

    And, once again, steering gas-lighting aside, I will point out that everything the HWR and Variety started to report about one week ago, @ColonelSun was reporting weeks ago:

    1/Danny Boyle left because of a casting over-rule by its lead actor Danny Craig... Uh... not true.
    2/DB left because DC was a primadonna; also, not true: The two had issues with where the Bond character was going, as now reported.
    3/Instead, @ColonelSun explained there were concerns about lack of budget/action in the script-- now verified weeks after posted.
    4/CS said the producers wanted new writers on board to punch up this missing element in the script-- now verified after he posted-- and especially with the hiring of the new director...
    5/CS said DB didn't want new writers on board-- verified after CS posted.
    6/ people PM'd me asking what I knew, and I told them the truth: nothing. It's gone silent. And, because it's gone silent, I said to them, that means shit's going down. And shit went down. I have these PMs as proof.


    So we can all make lists. And we can all gas-light BS.

    So, instead of gas-lighting one's insecurities, lets just be happy that there's a genuine talent on board, a strong creative voice. He is gritty and real and naturally someone who is able to dig into the human condition without being melodramatic.

    No, Fukunaga is not like David Lynch (as someone had said today!). Fukunaga is soooo his own visionanry. He's special. Unique. Masculine and visceral.

    As I said earlier-- I could never see a Boyle Bond film. But I can see a Fukunaga Bond film...

    I completely trust that this info is accurate.

    Great post to move us forward and into greater discussion of and speculation on Bond 25.

    Me: wondering if Fukunaga's previous collaborations come into play in casting a Bond Girl (Mia Wasikowski?) and villain (Luke Evans? Elba would be fascinating). What about the title song? Much to discuss until March!
    talos7 wrote: »
    I think a teaser Bond trailer should be dropped during the holiday movie season.

    It will be dropped before that. SP was dropped just three months into filming.

    So I think the teaser for 25 will come out in summer.

    Thank you @TripAces ... I say this knowing full well negativity will be thrown. However, @ColonelSun 's posts, and mine (based on my main man, Colonel Sun), were on this forum, long before THR or Variety...

    P
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Being over a year out, perhaps a short teaser that covers Craig’s era and concludes with

    “ In 2020 James Bond returns”
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Normally, the second/full/theatrical/international trailer would come three months before the release of the film, which would be around the holiday season.

    I think the teaser trailer will drop, maybe, three months before that? Late summer, perhaps?

    Actually yes, this makes more sense. I'd imagine the teaser hitting sometime around mid-August. Universal have Hobbs & Shaw coming out then, so there would be a big audience for a Bond trailer to be attached to that. Maybe late November for the theatrical trailer instead.
    Good shout. That could very well be the one they tie it to.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Normally, the second/full/theatrical/international trailer would come three months before the release of the film, which would be around the holiday season.

    I think the teaser trailer will drop, maybe, three months before that? Late summer, perhaps?

    Actually yes, this makes more sense. I'd imagine the teaser hitting sometime around mid-August. Universal have Hobbs & Shaw coming out then, so there would be a big audience for a Bond trailer to be attached to that. Maybe late November for the theatrical trailer instead.
    That's how I see it. Good call on Hobbs & Shaw.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Normally, the second/full/theatrical/international trailer would come three months before the release of the film, which would be around the holiday season.

    I think the teaser trailer will drop, maybe, three months before that? Late summer, perhaps?

    Actually yes, this makes more sense. I'd imagine the teaser hitting sometime around mid-August. Universal have Hobbs & Shaw coming out then, so there would be a big audience for a Bond trailer to be attached to that. Maybe late November for the theatrical trailer instead.
    Good shout. That could very well be the one they tie it to.

    It's nice to be in a position where we can talk about trailers being dropped after the craziness of this thread the last couple of months.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Being over a year out, perhaps a short teaser that covers Craig’s era and concludes with

    “ In 2020 James Bond returns”

    Uhhhh, that would be all kinds of awesome. Just saying.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Being over a year out, perhaps a short teaser that covers Craig’s era and concludes with

    “ In 2020 James Bond returns”

    Uhhhh, that would be all kinds of awesome. Just saying.

    Why thank you.

    Not to keep harping on the MI franchise, but they are masters at creating awareness prior to the actual advertising campaign. I like the idea of building anticipation.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @talos7

    I don't like comparing the M:I films to Bond films, and, I think, the hiring of a bad ass, such as Cary Fukunaga, shows the producers and distributors of 007 are sending that message too (despite what three people on this forum say); seriously, Fukunaga is not a response to the M:I films; it is, instead, a double-finger victory salute to them. It's the anti-thesis to TC and the gang.

    However, building anticipation, like they did with CR? I agree, @talos7 , that's the shot of adrenalin this film needs right now.

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    Birdleson wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    If it is a true conclusion, could it beat Moonraker in the most cast reprisals? If they really want to keep continuity, we could see a lot of role reprisals.

    I sure hope not.

    +1. At most, just reprisals for the MI6 gang is my preference. And better-used than SP I hope. We do not need Hinx, Blofeld, or Madeleine back.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2018 Posts: 10,591
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    If it is a true conclusion, could it beat Moonraker in the most cast reprisals? If they really want to keep continuity, we could see a lot of role reprisals.

    I sure hope not.

    +1. At most, just reprisals for the MI6 gang is my preference. And better-used than SP I hope. We do not need Hinx, Blofeld, or Madeleine back.
    +2. I'd be very disappointed if Fiennes, Harris, and Whishaw were dropped. Give them better material is all they have to do. Wright back as Leiter would be terrific as well.
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    Oh yeah; Wright as Felix too would be good. I definitely want that back. Hopefully the story will call for it!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'd be happy if we went bare bones with this one. Maybe a bit of Felix, and less of M, and no other recurring characters. And nothing that "ties it all together" or any indication that this is an ending. Just a great Bond film on a normal mission, ending with him ready for the next.

    I have a feeling that this will now be gritty and raw and deep, without melodrama. They got this guy for a reason.
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    I sure hope so. We need to get far away from SP - no ties to any previous films, no awkward tonal imbalances (the humor/drama mixture of SP did not always add up so well...), no Bond going rogue, and no Scooby gang!!! I want a no-nonsense, standalone sendoff worthy of what made Craig's Bond so amazing back in CR. I think we need the CR/QoS tone back, with more subtle, dry humor. They played to Craig's strengths a little better.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    A hunch is all I got, but I will still propose: with Cary Fukunaga helming:

    This will be the best bookend to Casino Royale and the Craig Era.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    I sure hope so. We need to get far away from SP - no ties to any previous films, no awkward tonal imbalances (the humor/drama mixture of SP did not always add up so well...), no Bond going rogue, and no Scooby gang!!! I want a no-nonsense, standalone sendoff worthy of what made Craig's Bond so amazing back in CR. I think we need the CR/QoS tone back, with more subtle, dry humor. They played to Craig's strengths a little better.

    This 100%.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    An open mind is a good starting point with a new Bond film. Or any film.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    An open mind is a good starting point with a new Bond film. Or any film.

    You're being too reasonable...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    A recent point made was it's (nearly) all in the execution.

    And yes.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I’d go a little further and say: everything is about execution...

    Or at least that’s my wife keeps saying:(
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    I have a bad feeling about Fukunaga tbh...

    Idk, not that he'll bail on the movie, but that he's not that big of a Bond fan, and he'll create a Fukunaga movie instead of a Bond movie.

    And that film would be an art house, hipster, "modern values" type of movie that's anything but Bond.

    Idk, I feel like there will be some controversial stuff (in small doses) in the movie.

    I really wanted Craig's last Bond to be Boyle :(
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited September 2018 Posts: 8,208
    peter wrote: »
    @talos7

    I don't like comparing the M:I films to Bond films, and, I think, the hiring of a bad ass, such as Cary Fukunaga, shows the producers and distributors of 007 are sending that message too (despite what three people on this forum say); seriously, Fukunaga is not a response to the M:I films; it is, instead, a double-finger victory salute to them. It's the anti-thesis to TC and the gang.

    However, building anticipation, like they did with CR? I agree, @talos7 , that's the shot of adrenalin this film needs right now.

    @peter

    Indeed, I think the choice of director is a bold one and it signals that a unique vision for Bond will be crafted.
    MI aside, it’s time for some showmanship and an equally bold statement that Bond is back.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    dragonsky wrote: »
    I have a bad feeling about Fukunaga tbh...

    Idk, not that he'll bail on the movie, but that he's not that big of a Bond fan, and he'll create a Fukunaga movie instead of a Bond movie.

    And that film would be an art house, hipster, "modern values" type of movie that's anything but Bond.

    Idk, I feel like there will be some controversial stuff (in small doses) in the movie.

    I really wanted Craig's last Bond to be Boyle :(

    I think Boyle would have made a Boyle film; not a Bond film. Perhaps that is why he, and the producers, decided to part ways on this project?
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    peter wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I have a bad feeling about Fukunaga tbh...

    Idk, not that he'll bail on the movie, but that he's not that big of a Bond fan, and he'll create a Fukunaga movie instead of a Bond movie.

    And that film would be an art house, hipster, "modern values" type of movie that's anything but Bond.

    Idk, I feel like there will be some controversial stuff (in small doses) in the movie.

    I really wanted Craig's last Bond to be Boyle :(

    I think Boyle would have made a Boyle film; not a Bond film. Perhaps that is why he, and the producers, decided to part ways on this project?

    Yeah, that was one of the concerns about a Boyle film as well, but I feel like Boyle's style is closer to a Bond film more or less.

    And he has the experience with it so I think it would've been a Bond film in Boyle's style.

    Fukunaga's is not as experienced so...idk. We'll see I guess.
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    Now that we've arrived where were at I think recasting and starting a new era was a better way to go. And more members feel that than they care to admit. Seems like eon just got the first director that would say yes
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited September 2018 Posts: 8,395
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I have a bad feeling about Fukunaga tbh...

    Idk, not that he'll bail on the movie, but that he's not that big of a Bond fan, and he'll create a Fukunaga movie instead of a Bond movie.

    And that film would be an art house, hipster, "modern values" type of movie that's anything but Bond.

    I really wanted Craig's last Bond to be Boyle :(

    This is my concern also. It seems like Bond nowadays has become little more than a canvas for whatever filmmaker to come along and make whatever statement they wish. It's strange, and in retrospect makes me appreciate CR more, because that was just telling a story. There was the rookie bond BS, but besides that, it's more or less a Bond film just turned on its head. I think the positive critical reception of that movie has made these next few quite pretentious and high-minded. A Bond film at the end of the day is just a Spy caper. I can't see Fugunaga coming in with a great idea thriller plot he's always wanted to put to screen, or even a madcap adventure. I suspect he's just using the Bond name as a cultural microphone to echo his message across the most people, like a really exclusive Twitter. That's all Bond is nowadays, sadly.
  • As long as Bond punches a lot of people I don’t care who directs it.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    As long as Bond punches a lot of people I don’t care who directs it.

    Add the Bond theme playing in full a few times for good measure. ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Now that we've arrived where were at I think recasting and starting a new era was a better way to go. And more members feel that than they care to admit. Seems like eon just got the first director that would say yes

    Agreed. Hit the nail on the head there.
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    dragonsky wrote: »
    I have a bad feeling about Fukunaga tbh...

    Idk, not that he'll bail on the movie, but that he's not that big of a Bond fan, and he'll create a Fukunaga movie instead of a Bond movie.

    And that film would be an art house, hipster, "modern values" type of movie that's anything but Bond.

    I really wanted Craig's last Bond to be Boyle :(

    This is my concern also. It seems like Bond nowadays has become little more than a canvas for whatever filmmaker to come along and make whatever statement they wish. It's strange, and in retrospect makes me appreciate CR more, because that was just telling a story. There was the rookie bond BS, but besides that, it's more or less a Bond film just turned on its head. I think the positive critical reception of that movie has made these next few quite pretentious and high-minded. A Bond film at the end of the day is just a Spy caper. I can't see Fugunaga coming in with a great idea thriller plot he's always wanted to put to screen, or even a madcap adventure. I suspect he's just using the Bond name as a cultural microphone to echo his message across the most people, like a really exclusive Twitter. That's all Bond is nowadays, sadly.

    Exactly. You nailed it. The next one needs to be good in the sense you want to bring your family & friends to see it , skyfall is the best example of the era. I'm tired of another directors opinion stamped all over the film.






  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited September 2018 Posts: 12,480
    I'm not worried about Fukunaga being arthouse hipster. I don't get that sense of him. What I do think, as Peter mentioned, is that this could be the perfect bookend for Craig's era. I think Cary and Daniel will be a good match and Cary will know how to best use him, play to his strengths. That sure isn't comedy. I don't need this to be similar to CR or to True Detective, I just think this is a director that can deal with the unique world of Bond and make it exciting, real, fresh, and beautiful to see up on the screen.

    Like I always said, I like Guy Ritchie okay, but every film he makes screams it's a "Guy Ritchie film!!". I don't think that applies to Cary. Many worried about that with Mendes, too.

    If Cary respects the history of the franchise and was honest with EON, and vice versa, things should progress in mostly positive ways and I do believe this film has a strong chance to be an excellent (not just "above average") Bond film.

    With him being a good writer, I see that as a plus. There is a foundation with P&W/Hodge ... but Cary will have his own vision, he is a strong storyteller, and he will be able to help when it comes to the writing (rather than be a hindrance). I just instinctively want to trust his vision. I'm very hopeful for Bond 25 now.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 684
    I was glad when Boyle was on board, but it was hard to pin down exactly what he was planning on giving us. I'm with those who see Fukunaga as clearing the path for a nice bookend in tone with CR/QOS, but we'll see.

    Speaking of Fukunaga's collaborators and bringing them into the mix, I'd love Idris as the villain if the role fits. Can you imagine he and Craig squaring off? The screen would be sopping with virility. There'd also be a "Bond vs. would-be Bond" mood to it, kind of like Brosnan/Bean in GE.
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