No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited September 2018 Posts: 1,596
    I really like this switch, even though there are the marks of a troubled production all over this already, I'll try to ignore it. Fukunaga has the journeyman approach that Babs and Michael will love, but he also has the aesthetic sensibilities to make something like Jane Eyre visually exciting/enthralling. A good combination.

    Also, god damn, these gaps between releases are killing me.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Strog wrote: »
    I was glad when Boyle was on board, but it was hard to pin down exactly what he was planning on giving us. I'm with those who see the path for a nice bookend in tone with CR/QOS.

    Speaking of Fukunaga's collaborators and bringing them into the mix, I'd love Idris as the villain if the role fits. Can you imagine he and Craig squaring off? The screen would be sopping with virility. There'd also be a "Bond vs. would-be Bond" mood to it, kind of like Brosnan/Bean in GE.

    After being so (however unwillingly) tied to the character for a good six years now, I don't think he'd settle for that. Sean Bean was just another would-be Bond; there was no big media push or hype around his possible casting.
    Hm, perhaps. Although if you explain to Elba that he can accept the villain role now and be announced as such, done and dusted, cemented into the canon -- or, alternatively, keep getting pestered by the same questions for another several years until the B26 recast is finalized -- then maybe that'll lean him in one direction.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 4,619
    peter wrote: »
    As I said earlier-- I could never see a Boyle Bond film.
    I don't think anybody could, but that was one of the main reasons he was such an exciting choice. Anyway, now I'm finally over his departure and very happy Fukunaga is on board!
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Seems like eon just got the first director that would say yes
    Had they hired SJ Clarkson or Bart Layton, I would 100% agree, but Fukunaka??? Have you seen any of his work?
    peter wrote: »
    I suspect he's just using the Bond name as a cultural microphone to echo his message across the most people, like a really exclusive Twitter. That's all Bond is nowadays, sadly.
    What message was Forster pushing with QOS? What message was Mendes pushing with SF or SP?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    They have 73 weeks to assemble the film.

    Seems less when you think of it as weeks
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 2,107
    It just dawned on me, that we'll get six Bonds starring Daniel Craig, because Babs will move heaven and earth to get him to sign for the 60th anniversary movie.

    Also, a new actor for the anniversary film... Could that even be possibility. Me thinks not. But stranger things have happened.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited September 2018 Posts: 2,541
    I highly doubt that Craig will return for 6th film after he said that he wants to go out on a high note and why can't they get another actor within a year GoldenEye came after 6 years due to some problems Casino Royale came after 4 years but that's because of die another day failure which won't be the case for bond 25.
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    I'm not worried about Fukunaga being arthouse hipster. I don't get that sense of him. What I do think, as Peter mentioned, is that this could be the perfect bookend for Craig's era. I think Cary and Daniel will be a good match and Cary will know how to best use him, play to his strengths. That sure isn't comedy. I don't need this to be similar to CR or to True Detective, I just think this is a director that can deal with the unique world of Bond and make it exciting, real, fresh, and beautiful to see up on the screen.

    Like I always said, I like Guy Ritchie okay, but every film he makes screams it's a "Guy Ritchie film!!". I don't think that applies to Cary. Many worried about that with Mendes, too.

    If Cary respects the history of the franchise and was honest with EON, and vice versa, things should progress in mostly positive ways and I do believe this film has a strong chance to be an excellent (not just "above average") Bond film.

    With him being a good writer, I see that as a plus. There is a foundation with P&W/Hodge ... but Cary will have his own vision, he is a strong storyteller, and he will be able to help when it comes to the writing (rather than be a hindrance). I just instinctively want to trust his vision. I'm very hopeful for Bond 25 now.

    good post
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Not to be the resident pessimist around here, but I'm not seeing how the mere announcement of Fukunaga insures Bond 25 will be the best send off, and live up to CR. Who knows, maybe I can be won over, but I'll wait til I actually see the film before I make a judgement on that. Right now, I'm not feeling it. Kinda feels like they chose someone out of a hat.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Not to be the resident pessimist around here, but I'm not seeing how the mere announcement of Fukunaga insures Bond 25 will be the best send off, and live up to CR. Who knows, maybe I can be won over, but I'll wait til I actually see the film before I make a judgement on that. Right now, I'm not feeling it. Kinda feels like they chose someone out of a hat.

    The only assumption I'm making about Bond 25 is that it might be a unique departure from the rest of the Craig films. I'm extremely open minded.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited September 2018 Posts: 12,480
    From IndieWire ...
    https://www.indiewire.com/2018/09/cary-fukunaga-direct-bond-25-daniel-craig-2020-release-date-1202005389/

    Update (12:30pm ET): Fukunaga broke his silence on landing the Bond directing gig during an interview with IndieWire. “I’ve wanted to do one of these [Bond films] for a long time, so that’s not new,” he said. “So right now it’s just kind of dealing with the shock that it’s real and the honor obviously and now the responsibility.”

    Earlier: Cary Fukunaga is set to direct Daniel Craig in the next James Bond movie following the departure of Danny Boyle. Bond producers have confirmed Fukunaga’s hiring, which coincides with the September 21 launch of the director’s Netflix series “Maniac.” Production on Bond 25 is now set to begin March 4, 2019 in London. MGM has set a February 14, 2020 release date, several months after the sequel’s original November 8, 2019 date.

    “We are delighted to be working with Cary,” producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson said in a statement published on Twitter. “His versatility and innovation make him an excellent choice for our next James Bond adventure.”

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 2018 Posts: 7,547
    A glossy magazine has opinions!

    https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/five-things-director-cary-fukunaga-needs-to-do-to-fix-james-bond

    Is there anything people agree with? Disagree with?

    Personally I agree with just about everything, I could take or leave Julianne Moore and I don't really want him to just "watch classic Bond films and hit repeat".
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 5,767
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I have a bad feeling about Fukunaga tbh...

    Idk, not that he'll bail on the movie, but that he's not that big of a Bond fan, and he'll create a Fukunaga movie instead of a Bond movie.

    And that film would be an art house, hipster, "modern values" type of movie that's anything but Bond.

    I really wanted Craig's last Bond to be Boyle :(

    This is my concern also. It seems like Bond nowadays has become little more than a canvas for whatever filmmaker to come along and make whatever statement they wish. It's strange, and in retrospect makes me appreciate CR more, because that was just telling a story. There was the rookie bond BS, but besides that, it's more or less a Bond film just turned on its head. I think the positive critical reception of that movie has made these next few quite pretentious and high-minded. A Bond film at the end of the day is just a Spy caper. I can't see Fugunaga coming in with a great idea thriller plot he's always wanted to put to screen, or even a madcap adventure. I suspect he's just using the Bond name as a cultural microphone to echo his message across the most people, like a really exclusive Twitter. That's all Bond is nowadays, sadly.
    I´ve only seen True Detective. One Thing that stuck in my mind is that I found it too drawn out. Which wouldn´t matter in a cinematic movie.
    Another Thing was that I loathed the Story of Woody Harrelson´s character cheating on his Family. Again, hardly a Problem on a Bond film.
    Apart from that, I remember amazing Overall atmosphere, brilliant Performances, and hard-as-nails detectives. Which ought to be the best Thing that could happen to a Bond film. Was there ever a cooler secret Agent than McConnaughey´s character? (beside Bond of Course ;-) )
    As for imposing a message, I guess for me it Comes down to like or dislike the style. One could Attribute as much message to Forster´s QoS than one can to Mendes´ two films, but QoS reverberates within me a lot, while SF and SP don´t that much. IMO it´s not a matter of good or bad, but touching me or not. In that context I might add that Mendes´ two Bond films are the first Bond film to not touch me that intensely. I wouldn´t have expected the same from Boyle, since I enjoyed all of what I saw from him so far. And I don´t really know enough About Fukunaga to be worried or not ;-).

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I have a bad feeling about Fukunaga tbh...

    Idk, not that he'll bail on the movie, but that he's not that big of a Bond fan, and he'll create a Fukunaga movie instead of a Bond movie.

    And that film would be an art house, hipster, "modern values" type of movie that's anything but Bond.

    I really wanted Craig's last Bond to be Boyle :(

    This is my concern also. It seems like Bond nowadays has become little more than a canvas for whatever filmmaker to come along and make whatever statement they wish. It's strange, and in retrospect makes me appreciate CR more, because that was just telling a story. There was the rookie bond BS, but besides that, it's more or less a Bond film just turned on its head. I think the positive critical reception of that movie has made these next few quite pretentious and high-minded. A Bond film at the end of the day is just a Spy caper. I can't see Fugunaga coming in with a great idea thriller plot he's always wanted to put to screen, or even a madcap adventure. I suspect he's just using the Bond name as a cultural microphone to echo his message across the most people, like a really exclusive Twitter. That's all Bond is nowadays, sadly.
    I´ve only seen True Detective. One Thing that stuck in my mind is that I found it too drawn out. Which wouldn´t matter in a cinematic movie.
    Another Thing was that I loathed the Story of Woody Harrelson´s character cheating on his Family. Again, hardly a Problem on a Bond film.
    Apart from that, I remember amazing Overall atmosphere, brilliant Performances, and hard-as-nails detectives. Which ought to be the best Thing that could happen to a Bond film. Was there ever a cooler secret Agent than McConnaughey´s character? (beside Bond of Course ;-) )
    As for imposing a message, I guess for me it Comes down to like or dislike the style. One could Attribute as much message to Forster´s QoS than one can to Mendes´ two films, but QoS reverberates within me a lot, while SF and SP don´t that much. IMO it´s not a matter of good or bad, but touching me or not. In that context I might add that Mendes´ two Bond films are the first Bond film to not touch me that intensely. I wouldn´t have expected the same from Boyle, since I enjoyed all of what I saw from him so far. And I don´t really know enough About Fukunaga to be worried or not ;-).

    But what about tone? Does true detective have the tone what you would like from a James Bond film? Or any Fukunaga project (from the sounds of it). I thought you had previously advocates for a return to the light hearted back to basics Bond film, and based on true detective it seems like we're in for more brooding and angst. An oppressive tone, which frankly I have had enough of in the Bond films.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 6,844
    From that GQ article: Steve Jobs aside, blockbusters about computers are dull and my greatest fear for Fukunaga’s Bond is that, in an attempt to be modern, the script places the spy in rooms with loads of iPhones, desperately trying to stop a global surveillance virus before his battery runs out. It’s hard to stay gripped while 007 does upgrades and the 25th Bond film, therefore, should effectively pretend it exists in a pre-data age. Give us visible villains and tangible threats, like rockets and stuff. It makes for better cinema, frankly.

    Couldn't agree more, and this is probably the biggest problem I have with the present era of 007, especially Skyfall and Spectre. Threatening to push a button is only scary if it means a small country is going to disappear from the face of the Earth. As they said, "tangible threats, like rockets and stuff. It makes for better cinema, frankly." Fleming knew this too and gave us precisely that in one of his very best Bond adventures: Moonraker.

    Give us rockets and stuff.
  • Posts: 11,425
    A glossy magazine has opinions!

    https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/five-things-director-cary-fukunaga-needs-to-do-to-fix-james-bond

    Is there anything people agree with? Disagree with?

    Personally I agree with just about everything, I could take or leave Julianne Moore and I don't really want him to just "watch classic Bond films and hit repeat".

    Some amusing comments. A bit of a puff piece really but still some valid points. Nice to see he also thinks QoS is underrated.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 5,767
    boldfinger wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    I have a bad feeling about Fukunaga tbh...

    Idk, not that he'll bail on the movie, but that he's not that big of a Bond fan, and he'll create a Fukunaga movie instead of a Bond movie.

    And that film would be an art house, hipster, "modern values" type of movie that's anything but Bond.

    I really wanted Craig's last Bond to be Boyle :(

    This is my concern also. It seems like Bond nowadays has become little more than a canvas for whatever filmmaker to come along and make whatever statement they wish. It's strange, and in retrospect makes me appreciate CR more, because that was just telling a story. There was the rookie bond BS, but besides that, it's more or less a Bond film just turned on its head. I think the positive critical reception of that movie has made these next few quite pretentious and high-minded. A Bond film at the end of the day is just a Spy caper. I can't see Fugunaga coming in with a great idea thriller plot he's always wanted to put to screen, or even a madcap adventure. I suspect he's just using the Bond name as a cultural microphone to echo his message across the most people, like a really exclusive Twitter. That's all Bond is nowadays, sadly.
    I´ve only seen True Detective. One Thing that stuck in my mind is that I found it too drawn out. Which wouldn´t matter in a cinematic movie.
    Another Thing was that I loathed the Story of Woody Harrelson´s character cheating on his Family. Again, hardly a Problem on a Bond film.
    Apart from that, I remember amazing Overall atmosphere, brilliant Performances, and hard-as-nails detectives. Which ought to be the best Thing that could happen to a Bond film. Was there ever a cooler secret Agent than McConnaughey´s character? (beside Bond of Course ;-) )
    As for imposing a message, I guess for me it Comes down to like or dislike the style. One could Attribute as much message to Forster´s QoS than one can to Mendes´ two films, but QoS reverberates within me a lot, while SF and SP don´t that much. IMO it´s not a matter of good or bad, but touching me or not. In that context I might add that Mendes´ two Bond films are the first Bond film to not touch me that intensely. I wouldn´t have expected the same from Boyle, since I enjoyed all of what I saw from him so far. And I don´t really know enough About Fukunaga to be worried or not ;-).

    But what about tone? Does true detective have the tone what you would like from a James Bond film? Or any Fukunaga project (from the sounds of it). I thought you had previously advocates for a return to the light hearted back to basics Bond film, and based on true detective it seems like we're in for more brooding and angst. An oppressive tone, which frankly I have had enough of in the Bond films.
    You're right, @Mendes4Lyfe, I would prefer a lighter tone. And I agree, from what I've seen, a lighter tone would be the last thing I would expect from Fukunaga. On the other hand, what I would value even more than a lighter tone is a tightly thrilling movie with mesmerizing characters and ambience, and that I think can be expected from Fukunaga. He seems to be a bit of a loose cannon, so I wouldn't put it beyond him to follow in Boyle's footsteps. But I guess Eon weren't Eon if they weren't drawn towards the odd challenge ;-). Al Pacino in Heat comes to mind, "because it keeps me sharp (fingersnap)! On the edge (fingersnap)!"



    From that GQ article: Steve Jobs aside, blockbusters about computers are dull and my greatest fear for Fukunaga’s Bond is that, in an attempt to be modern, the script places the spy in rooms with loads of iPhones, desperately trying to stop a global surveillance virus before his battery runs out. It’s hard to stay gripped while 007 does upgrades and the 25th Bond film, therefore, should effectively pretend it exists in a pre-data age. Give us visible villains and tangible threats, like rockets and stuff. It makes for better cinema, frankly.

    Couldn't agree more, and this is probably the biggest problem I have with the present era of 007, especially Skyfall and Spectre. Threatening to push a button is only scary if it means a small country is going to disappear from the face of the Earth. As they said, "tangible threats, like rockets and stuff. It makes for better cinema, frankly." Fleming knew this too and gave us precisely that in one of his very best Bond adventures: Moonraker.

    Give us rockets and stuff.
    Bond films used state of the art hight tech en masse right away from DN onwards, that has always been a major appeal of Bond films. So it's more about the way iPhones and tablets are used than their mere appearance. They should feature heavily, but I agree that the connection to the physical threat is fundamental.


  • edited September 2018 Posts: 11,425
    Why should iPhones and tablets feature heavily?

    Did old style telephones and typewriters feature heavily in the old Bond films?

    There is nothing more mundane and unglamorous than everyday tech. It's one of the reasons I dislike SF to much - this over reliance on dumb laptops. Who wants to be reminded of their day job and the office while watching Bond?

    The early Bond films featured fantasy technology that at the time seemed it was still a way off (like the tracking device in GF that is now standard in all phones and cars).

    Bond's use of mobile phones, earpieces and the like should be kept to an absolute minimum - preferably zero.
  • Imagine if the climax of Dr. No had Dr. No sitting at his desk, punching in the keys of his typewriter as he drafted...A LETTER...that would threaten to undo the security of the free world, and Bond had to rush into his office and tear the sheet of paper from the roll. That's basically Spectre for 1962. If this stuff plays as dull today, you wonder how it will play 50 years from now.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,043
    I would say that due to the situation with what happened with Boyle that EON has already done damage control on Fukunaga.

    They'll have shown him the script in its latest incarnation and explained they didn't want another scenario as with Boyle.

    If CF had shown any doubt over the direction or started to show signs of wanting to change things or not working with the current scripts with the obvious tweaks then I'm sure Barbara, Michael and Craig would have passed and moved on to the next possible option.

    It was reported that EON were looking for a writer directors in some trade papers and we know Fukunaga has form here.

    I think they've already ironed this out with him and agreed he'll tweak things, it's been said these kind of productions change even in the shooting stage from industry forum members @peter, @RC7 and of course @ColonelSun.

    If this the case what better scenario to have than a director with writing abilities in the driving seat.

    Call me over optimistic and too trusting of EON but I think they've taken the last situation into account and are playing this one much more carefully and would definitely not want another Boyle scenario playing out in the press again.

    The date change doesn't only allow Craig to shoot the Rian Johnson film but also gives Fukunaga enough time to do his polish of the script.

    Doing what they've done puts Bond 25 in a much healthier state than it was in before this announcement was made yesterday.
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    Regarding Fukunaga having a gritty style or whatever; in True Detective (which is the only work I've seen of Fukunaga), the tone is set by Nic Pizzolatto's vision too, remember - and Nic Pizzolatto's writing is very dark - something the directing must reflect. How does Fukunaga's work outside TD compare to the HBO series?

    I can understand @Mendes4Lyfe's reaction to the announcement, as I'm also not to excited about the Craig era in general. But I also know we're not going to get a more lighthearted Bond film with Craig (he can't do lighthearted, IMO), so it's good we now have a director who can at least deliver something in the tone of this era, while still being a bit of fresh air - which True Detective was in it's first season.
  • Getafix wrote: »
    What's odd is that they've taken on a director with a reputation for not compromising and who is prepared to walk away when he doesn't get what he wants. Sounds a bit like Boyle.

    So what's changed? Has Fukunaga agreed to do what he's told?

    Or are EON now ready to offer Fukunaga what they apparently weren't willing to do for Boyle and give him total creative freedom?

    And if the latter, why weren't they able to go that extra mile to keep Boyle on board?

    All very odd.
    I don't think we'll ever know for sure, but it's possible that there was a scope change in process and that's where the disagreements laid (e.g. midstream the producers decided they needed to shake it up a bit for whatever reason). In Fukunaga's case, the scope is being set in advance and so despite his predilections there is more of a clear understanding from the outset as to what they are attempting to achieve. Moreover, he seems to want to do a Bond film, whereas Boyle always had reservations about touching it.[/quote]


    Yes, some interesting questions here for sure. I wonder if the story will come out, eventually, about Boyle's plans, his script, or the reasons behind his departure.
  • peter wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm glad we have the director finally. I'm not as enthused by the delay but at least it's not too long. True Detective 1 is indeed excellent, but that kind of sensibility may not play well into global box office. It could be a bit obtuse.

    A few points I noticed regarding this, given the nature of the conversation that has been ongoing on this thread for the past month.

    1. there is a delay
    2. the film will release in early 2020 (and not late 2020)
    3. the director is American
    4. the announcement came out of the blue and was a name we didn't hear beforehand
    5. they annouced the director as soon as he was locked, and didn't wait
    6. Variety, The Hollywood Reporter and countless others got it right

    I hope this demonstrates that there's nothing wrong with speculation by amateurs in lieu of hard facts. That should perhaps be kept in mind going forward. Those who predicted the above, congratulations. Well done. I was on the wrong side of some of the above, especially 2. and 4.

    Do the best predictors get a prize?
    A little humility and decorum would be just fine with me going forward. Nothing more is needed.

    Apart from trying to gas-light a situation, I will point out a few things of my own:

    Very few people (one, and sometimes two, in most cases), sided with a poster by the name of nosolaceleft--

    Whatever our thoughts on the man, and I read his "novel", and I have plenty of adjectives, that I will put them aside-- he was far from humble, and;

    He stretched decorum, at best.

    So it's rich when some of his most strident defenders ask for humility and decor.

    And, once again, steering gas-lighting aside, I will point out that everything the HWR and Variety started to report about one week ago, @ColonelSun was reporting weeks ago:

    1/Danny Boyle left because of a casting over-rule by its lead actor Danny Craig... Uh... not true.
    2/DB left because DC was a primadonna; also, not true: The two had issues with where the Bond character was going, as now reported.
    3/Instead, @ColonelSun explained there were concerns about lack of budget/action in the script-- now verified weeks after posted.
    4/CS said the producers wanted new writers on board to punch up this missing element in the script-- now verified after he posted-- and especially with the hiring of the new director...
    5/CS said DB didn't want new writers on board-- verified after CS posted.
    6/ people PM'd me asking what I knew, and I told them the truth: nothing. It's gone silent. And, because it's gone silent, I said to them, that means shit's going down. And shit went down. I have these PMs as proof.

    So we can all make lists. And we can all gas-light BS.

    So, instead of gas-lighting one's insecurities, lets just be happy that there's a genuine talent on board, a strong creative voice. He is gritty and real and naturally someone who is able to dig into the human condition without being melodramatic.

    No, Fukunaga is not like David Lynch (as someone had said today!). Fukunaga is soooo his own visionanry. He's special. Unique. Masculine and visceral.

    As I said earlier-- I could never see a Boyle Bond film. But I can see a Fukunaga Bond film...

    Thank-you for the scolding. May I have another?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Why should iPhones and tablets feature heavily?

    Did old style telephones and typewriters feature heavily in the old Bond films?

    There is nothing more mundane and unglamorous than everyday tech. It's one of the reasons I dislike SF to much - this over reliance on dumb laptops. Who wants to be reminded of their day job and the office while watching Bond?

    The early Bond films featured fantasy technology that at the time seemed it was still a way off (like the tracking device in GF that is now standard in all phones and cars).

    Bond's use of mobile phones, earpieces and the like should be kept to an absolute minimum - preferably zero.

    +1
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    The GQ article mentions Elba for Bond at the end, which in my book, means you're disqualified and nullifies all points. Glossy magazines are glossy for a reason.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Why should iPhones and tablets feature heavily?

    Did old style telephones and typewriters feature heavily in the old Bond films?

    There is nothing more mundane and unglamorous than everyday tech. It's one of the reasons I dislike SF to much - this over reliance on dumb laptops. Who wants to be reminded of their day job and the office while watching Bond?

    The early Bond films featured fantasy technology that at the time seemed it was still a way off (like the tracking device in GF that is now standard in all phones and cars).

    Bond's use of mobile phones, earpieces and the like should be kept to an absolute minimum - preferably zero.
    That js exactly what I mean with application vs appearance. Of course nobody wants to be reminded of his day job when he watches Bond. But any device can be used this way or that way. If the use is so unimaginative that people are reminded of their day job, that is comparable to a film's pace leaving room for contemplating plotholes.

  • talos7 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Being over a year out, perhaps a short teaser that covers Craig’s era and concludes with

    “ In 2020 James Bond returns”

    Uhhhh, that would be all kinds of awesome. Just saying.

    Why thank you.

    Not to keep harping on the MI franchise, but they are masters at creating awareness prior to the actual advertising campaign. I like the idea of building anticipation.


    I've said this before, but I think this is one area where Craig/EON/et al really struggle. I understand that Barbara isn't a huckster like her dad, and that Craig/Forster/Mendes &co aren't glad-handers like Tom Cruise. I also understand the impulse to let the work speak for itself since, generally, they've got together and made damn good films.

    But given what's happened so far - a long gap, on the heels of a slightly underwhelming SP, a dribble of news about 'troubled' pre-production - I think everyone involved needs to get out there and sell B25 like their lives depend on it.

    No more "I'm really tired" or "Nobody has told me anything yet." Just a high level of excitement in the press about the next picture, and an earnest effort all pull in the same direction to get butts in seats.

  • edited September 2018 Posts: 1,661

    Peter wrote:

    No, Fukunaga is not like David Lynch (as someone had said today!). Fukunaga is soooo his own visionanry. He's special. Unique. Masculine and visceral.

    I think we have to be realistic. Barbara Broccoli calls the shots. Indeed, if the Sony leaked emails are all genuine/accurate, Sony/MGM were reluctant about aspects of the budget of SPECTRE and Broccoli was adamant about not cutting costs:
    “We recognise that this movie needs to build on the past few films – and there are expectations we must meet for the audience,” wrote Jonathan Glickman, MGM president.

    “Still, we must find further cuts. This is not about ‘nickel and diming’ the production.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli was not happy with Glickman's idea, however, firing back that she “cannot find a cemetery or villa in the UK” and would not be cutting down the number of train carriages in another scene.

    She probably has total control of the final cut of the film so no director is going to end up making their Bond film. Forget visionary directors, it's not going to get you far with Bond. They can put some of their vision into it but if Babs doesn't like parts of the vision she will insist on change. It's the reason why Quentin Tarantino will never make an Eon Bond film. He'd want too much control (including directing the second unit action). And it doesn't take a genius to know it's the reason why Boyle and Hodges left - they wanted to do their vision of Bond and Babs said no. This Fukunaga chap may get away with a few things in his style but ultimately he's accountable to Barbara Broccoli and if he thinks he's going to have huge say over how the film ends up in the editing suite - he may be in for a shock!

    I still think the best director you can hire for any Bond film is an action director - someone that understands the beats of an action scene, the craft of film suspense etc. Sam Mendes was not that kind of director and I've no idea if Fukunaga is.
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    I entirely agree with your assessment @JeremyBondon. The GQ article is just trying to be street hipster with its inclusion of Elba, hip-hop title track, and just where the hell does Julianne Moore come into it all? It's total nonsense, apart from suggesting that Bond should be confident enough to be its own beast. Okay, we've all griped about the overuse of global surveillance being one of the driving points in the most recent Bond flicks, but that's hardly a revelation. We've all pretty much said it on these boards; myself included.

    Like yourself, I guess that I just despise these inconsequential articles that pop up when a new announcement is made.

    Anyway, I'm still buzzing at what Fukunaga can bring to Craig's last outing.
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Peter wrote:

    No, Fukunaga is not like David Lynch (as someone had said today!). Fukunaga is soooo his own visionanry. He's special. Unique. Masculine and visceral.

    I think we have to be realistic. Barbara Broccoli calls the shots. Indeed, if the Sony leaked emails are all genuine/accurate, Sony/MGM were reluctant about aspects of the budget of SPECTRE and Broccoli was adamant about not cutting costs:
    “We recognise that this movie needs to build on the past few films – and there are expectations we must meet for the audience,” wrote Jonathan Glickman, MGM president.

    “Still, we must find further cuts. This is not about ‘nickel and diming’ the production.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli was not happy with Glickman's idea, however, firing back that she “cannot find a cemetery or villa in the UK” and would not be cutting down the number of train carriages in another scene.

    She probably has total control of the final cut of the film so no director is going to end up making their Bond film. Forget visionary directors, it's not going to get you far with Bond. They can put some of their vision into it but if Babs doesn't like parts of the vision she will insist on change. It's the reason why Quentin Tarantino will never make an Eon Bond film. He'd want too much control (including directing the second unit action). And it doesn't take a genius to know it's the reason why Boyle and Hodges left - they wanted to do their vision of Bond and Babs said no. This Fukunaga chap may get away with a few things in his style but ultimately he's accountable to Barbara Broccoli and if he thinks he's going to have huge say over how the film ends up in the editing suite - he may be in for a shock!

    I still think the best director you can hire for any Bond film is an action director - someone that understands the beats of an action scene, the craft of film suspense etc. Sam Mendes was not that kind of director and I've no idea if Fukunaga is.

    Add Christopher Nolan to that list.
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Peter wrote:

    No, Fukunaga is not like David Lynch (as someone had said today!). Fukunaga is soooo his own visionanry. He's special. Unique. Masculine and visceral.

    I think we have to be realistic. Barbara Broccoli calls the shots. Indeed, if the Sony leaked emails are all genuine/accurate, Sony/MGM were reluctant about aspects of the budget of SPECTRE and Broccoli was adamant about not cutting costs:
    “We recognise that this movie needs to build on the past few films – and there are expectations we must meet for the audience,” wrote Jonathan Glickman, MGM president.

    “Still, we must find further cuts. This is not about ‘nickel and diming’ the production.”

    Producer Barbara Broccoli was not happy with Glickman's idea, however, firing back that she “cannot find a cemetery or villa in the UK” and would not be cutting down the number of train carriages in another scene.

    She probably has total control of the final cut of the film so no director is going to end up making their Bond film. Forget visionary directors, it's not going to get you far with Bond. They can put some of their vision into it but if Babs doesn't like parts of the vision she will insist on change. It's the reason why Quentin Tarantino will never make an Eon Bond film. He'd want too much control (including directing the second unit action). And it doesn't take a genius to know it's the reason why Boyle and Hodges left - they wanted to do their vision of Bond and Babs said no. This Fukunaga chap may get away with a few things in his style but ultimately he's accountable to Barbara Broccoli and if he thinks he's going to have huge say over how the film ends up in the editing suite - he may be in for a shock!

    I still think the best director you can hire for any Bond film is an action director - someone that understands the beats of an action scene, the craft of film suspense etc. Sam Mendes was not that kind of director and I've no idea if Fukunaga is.

    I agree @fanbond123 , I was just saying what type of creative guy Fukunaga is. Saying that, making a prediction, and as I noted yesterday: so long as he plays in the EoN sandbox, I think they will give him a very long leash.
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