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  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    edited September 2018 Posts: 2,115
    //Baz Bamigboye has confirmed that Fiennes is expected to star in Bond 25:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6217011/Ralph-Fiennes-star-new-Kingsman-prequel-shines-spotlight-intelligence-organisations.html//

    Actually, he doesn't. Here's the phrasing:

    //Fiennes is expected to be in that film, too.//

    "Is expected" is a journalistic phrasing for when you *haven't confirmed it yourself.* But you say "is expected" (Who expects it? This is almost never specified.) as a substitute to cover up you don't actually know. If Baz had confirmed it, he'd likely say "according to sources" or similar phrasing.

  • AlexanderWaverlyAlexanderWaverly
    Posts: 2,115
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Baz states that Fiennes is 'expected to be in B25'. I agree. He is indeed expected to be in the film.
    Precisely. Not confirmation as far as I'm concerned. Does someone want to clarify via Twitter?

    See my post that came after yours. "Is expected" is a construction used when the scribe hasn't actually confirmed it himself/herself.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Bond 25 is expected to be a great film. Confirmed.
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
    edited September 2018 Posts: 1,400
    when EON and/or Fiennes says he's in, then he is. Until then, he's not.
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    Jeffrey Wright playing it coy
    https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/09/28/jeffrey-wright-talks-hold-the-dark-loving-the-cold-and-felix-leiters-future
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,466
    tqb wrote: »
    Jeffrey Wright playing it coy
    https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/09/28/jeffrey-wright-talks-hold-the-dark-loving-the-cold-and-felix-leiters-future

    I posted that. Definitely seems like he could be hinting at a return; I bet it's been talked about, but nothing quite set in stone yet.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,790
    Seems Wright.
  • dramaticscenesofQOSdramaticscenesofQOS
    Posts: 1,282
    Jeffrey Wright wad last seen in QoS. He had great chemistry with Beam. Felix & Beam talked about peppers helping Felix avoid illness from bad drinking water.

    Jeffrey Wright actually was featured in a travel food vlog/documentary about peppers.

    He was made to return as Felix for Bond 25.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    =bg= wrote: »
    when EON and/or Fiennes says he's in, then he is. Until then, he's not.

    It was never up for debate with Lee or Dench, likewise with Fiennes. He’s ‘in’, until EON or Fiennes say otherwise. Same goes for Harris & Whishaw.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,135
    Would be very happy if Jeffrey Wright were to return. Give him a bigger role, and reduce the MI6 regulars to a scene or two. Keep Tanner out altogether as he's a character who's not really needed. Fiennes M can do Tanners duties if need be.
    Keep M, Q and Moneypenny office bound.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,208
    Benny wrote: »
    Would be very happy if Jeffrey Wright were to return. Give him a bigger role, and reduce the MI6 regulars to a scene or two. Keep Tanner out altogether as he's a character who's not really needed. Fiennes M can do Tanners duties if need be.
    Keep M, Q and Moneypenny office bound.

    Yes, although I like Bond's comradery with Tanner.

  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    bring back Jeffrey Wright!

    sack Rory Kinnear

    less Fiennes and Harris

    about the same amount of Whishaw - who is the best of the SF additions
  • octofingeroctofinger
    Posts: 787
    RC7 wrote: »
    =bg= wrote: »
    when EON and/or Fiennes says he's in, then he is. Until then, he's not.

    It was never up for debate with Lee or Dench, likewise with Fiennes. He’s ‘in’, until EON or Fiennes say otherwise. Same goes for Harris & Whishaw.

    Agreed in principle. But Fiennes is surely the biggest/most expensive name of the bunch, so I think the better question is not "is he in the movie" but rather "how much is he in the movie?"

  • LeChiffreLeChiffre
    Posts: 1,548
    Bond killing a rogue M would be interesting. But I'm sure slot of traditionalists would disagree.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Bond killing a rogue M would be interesting. But I'm sure slot of traditionalists would disagree.

    I would find it interesting but considering Fiennes took this role as he really doesn’t want to be the villain in every big budget film he has done I would prefer they wait till the next M

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,208
    I don't want any more rogue MI-6 personnel, including Bond, and no double agents, turncoats, traitors etc...
  • shamanimalshamanimal
    Posts: 623
    At this point in time, Bond actually receiving his mission orders and carrying them out to the best of his ability would be a refreshing change.
    I hope the new film's pre-credit sequence starts with showing a bad bastard's evil deeds, and ends with M's declaration... "we need Bond back" . . .
    And yes, we need to hate the villain, so show us how evil he is, make us care, please. This was a big goof with SPETRE. Did we even see Blofeld in a scene without Bond in? In fact, was there any scene without Bond in?.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    In the old days we could pretty well have a pre titles sequence without Bond in it. Even in a book. In FRWL it takes ages until we get to read about Bond. And it works to a wonderful effect. People nowadays can't handle with waiting and frustration, they get very angst, like crying babies in a cradle, calling for the ever obliging lazy parents who can't handle making them frustrate a little bit longer in order to teach them the ways of the world. So, we get fat babies who can't wait, and castrated parents. And that's the story of the current film industry ;)
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,619
    Univex wrote: »
    In the old days we could pretty well have a pre titles sequence without Bond in it. Even in a book. In FRWL it takes ages until we get to read about Bond. And it works to a wonderful effect. People nowadays can't handle with waiting and frustration, they get very angst, like crying babies in a cradle, calling for the ever obliging lazy parents who can't handle making them frustrate a little bit longer in order to teach them the ways of the world. So, we get fat babies who can't wait, and castrated parents. And that's the story of the current film industry ;)
    In a perfect Bond movie Bond does not appear at all in the first 45 minutes, is a supporting character in the next 45 minutes, and becomes the main character for the final 45 minutes.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    In the old days we could pretty well have a pre titles sequence without Bond in it. Even in a book. In FRWL it takes ages until we get to read about Bond. And it works to a wonderful effect. People nowadays can't handle with waiting and frustration, they get very angst, like crying babies in a cradle, calling for the ever obliging lazy parents who can't handle making them frustrate a little bit longer in order to teach them the ways of the world. So, we get fat babies who can't wait, and castrated parents. And that's the story of the current film industry ;)
    In a perfect Bond movie Bond does not appear at all in the first 45 minutes, is a supporting character in the next 45 minutes, and becomes the main character for the final 45 minutes.
    A lot of us would do fine with such a scenario. In fact it would be more fresh than anything else they've done in ages.

    But we're living in an age of ADD, gotta' have it now. People would walk out, shut it off, fast forward, etc.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited September 2018 Posts: 4,043
    Wright for me is quite considerably the best Leiter.

    All the others seemed like inferior to Bond, even Lord who starts out quite cool and deadly turns into a Bond lackey, then it's just a joke throughout the Connery era, Linder is terrible, Van Nutter again in awe of Bond and Norman Burton well he's not the worst thing about the film but he's certainly not the best.

    Hedison isn't brilliant in LALD but the best since Lord, better in LTK

    Jeffrey Wright is the first Leiter that you feel can stand side by side Bond and there is no air of him being inferior to Bond, his exchanges with him in both CR and QOS are some of the highlights of both.

    Plus DC and Wright have great chemistry, you feel this is two actors enjoying working with each other, also Wright is by far the best and most versatile actor to play the role.

    I seriously hope he gets to close out Daniel's era in Bond 25, although if he doesn't I'm confortable in saying he's never done the character a disservice and despite him not meeting up to Fleming's literary description he very much embodies the spirit while putting his own spin on it.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    In the old days we could pretty well have a pre titles sequence without Bond in it. Even in a book. In FRWL it takes ages until we get to read about Bond. And it works to a wonderful effect. People nowadays can't handle with waiting and frustration, they get very angst, like crying babies in a cradle, calling for the ever obliging lazy parents who can't handle making them frustrate a little bit longer in order to teach them the ways of the world. So, we get fat babies who can't wait, and castrated parents. And that's the story of the current film industry ;)
    In a perfect Bond movie Bond does not appear at all in the first 45 minutes, is a supporting character in the next 45 minutes, and becomes the main character for the final 45 minutes.

    Exactly, but that would imply a brilliant original story, and that's a rare thing.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    You're not going to get a Bond film where he doesn't show up for the first 45 minutes. It'll never happen. The only way that could work effectively is if Bond left the big screen and became like a HBO/Netflix/Amazon TV series.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    doubleoego wrote: »
    You're not going to get a Bond film where he doesn't show up for the first 45 minutes. It'll never happen. The only way that could work effectively is if Bond left the big screen and became like a HBO/Netflix/Amazon TV series.

    Maybe if they adapt TSWLM. Although they didn t follow that route with FRWL.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    It's hard to surprise the audience and market the film heavily at the same time, nowadays the trailers give away 50 percent of the film. I predict a shadow figure image of bond in the first teaser.
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
    Posts: 1,400
    I wish they hadn't whacked Mathis. A great character.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,629
    =bg= wrote: »
    I wish they hadn't whacked Mathis. A great character.

    I agree. This is they should make Devil May Care when they reboot. He could have cinematic redemption. Also, Felix Leiter could have a bigger role. It's time they got their fair share of screen time for a good story, where they're useful.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited September 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    It's hard to surprise the audience and market the film heavily at the same time, nowadays the trailers give away 50 percent of the film. I predict a shadow figure image of bond in the first teaser.

    I agree teaser are supposed to tease the Audience not to reveal the best scenes.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Bond killing a rogue M would be interesting. But I'm sure slot of traditionalists would disagree.
    That could of Course provoke an even deeper emotional effect than M dying at the end of SF. The Question is, has there been established a Deep enough bond between Bond and M already to make it work? Or would they manage to build that in the first half of the film? Plus, Killing a traitorous M would mean again more screentime for M.

    On the other Hand, killing a traitorous M would fit well in line with the constant rehashing of themes during the Craig era: The theme of trust in CR, QoS and SF. M being killed. A character/element (like Blofeld/SPECTRE) introduced and after a short time disposed of again.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    We need a Bond film that has everyone at MI6 (at least the 00 section) ALL being on the same page/side/team. Sometimes a simple case of good vs evil is all one needs. It just needs to be deftly executed.
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