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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I see The Guardian had to mention those wristslash comments again, for the millionth time.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    octofinger wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    "We're talking about real heroes instead of fictional heroes."

    Did he seriously say that? Now I'm glad he's not directing B25. Is he aware that Bond is based on Ian Fleming, whose services during WWII saved many lives and contributed to end the war?
    Danny Boyle has betrayed the Bond franchise and its fans. I have zero interest in watching another Boyle movie.

    +1.


    Good lord everyone, calm right down. Boyle's trying to help observe Armistice day. That's bigger than any movie franchise, for god's sake, and trying to suggest that it's disrespectful because Fleming served is ridiculous.

    You can be upset about Boyle leaving, dislike his films, or whatever else. But trying to spin his Armistice Day project this way makes all of us look bad.

    Exactly. I was surprised at the pettiness from some people about what Boyle said. Do some people think Bond is real or what? If people are going to take offence to Boyle's comments I wonder how much it pains them when there are posters here and when other people out and out really have something negative to say about Bond.

    "We're talking about real heroes instead of fictional heroes."

    Getting bent out of shape over that is a clear sign of some growing up to do.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    Posts: 1,318
    Barbara talks sense and of course it's the only way to treat those feminists. I'm quite certain she'll never make such a statement regarding skin colour however.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 6,709
    One could, of course, argue that many of these so called social activists ride the people's agenda with their feet secured on their own stirrup-lobbies. Not sure that is the case, but I do know many neo-socialists or liberals who are no better than right wing conservatives who bang on the same worn key just because they like the tune of their own voice and think of themselves as moral superiors. Growing up is knowing there are no true selfless successful characters in this part of the century and reserving some critical and analytical space in your brain for that realistic view, albeit negative.

    That being said, and about that comment made by Barbara, I do find her to be one of the most prolifically diplomatic people I've never had the pleasure of knowing personally. I'm really happy to have her at the helm of things. I do know she has her own agenda, but it's quite clear what that one is, she has a golden goose that still lays golden eggs and she understands her product better than many. So she's being what she has always been, smart. I say good for her.
  • Posts: 9,846
    Moving on I am wondering if any journalist is going to ask how Carey feels being the first American to direct an official Bond Film
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    octofinger wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    "We're talking about real heroes instead of fictional heroes."

    Did he seriously say that? Now I'm glad he's not directing B25. Is he aware that Bond is based on Ian Fleming, whose services during WWII saved many lives and contributed to end the war?
    Danny Boyle has betrayed the Bond franchise and its fans. I have zero interest in watching another Boyle movie.

    +1.


    Good lord everyone, calm right down. Boyle's trying to help observe Armistice day. That's bigger than any movie franchise, for god's sake, and trying to suggest that it's disrespectful because Fleming served is ridiculous.

    You can be upset about Boyle leaving, dislike his films, or whatever else. But trying to spin his Armistice Day project this way makes all of us look bad.

    It's not his project that made me feel like that but rather his remarks.
    FoxRox wrote: »

    That's great! I'm so glad she finally said that.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    She also doesn't sound like a person ready to sell the shop.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 17,756
    peter wrote: »
    She also doesn't sound like a person ready to sell the shop.

    Agree. I only hope they don't want a long break after Bond 25 – especially if the film is a huge success.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    peter wrote: »
    She also doesn't sound like a person ready to sell the shop.

    And thank God for that. Bond belongs right where it is, regardless of any difficulties it may have had.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    octofinger wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    "We're talking about real heroes instead of fictional heroes."

    Did he seriously say that? Now I'm glad he's not directing B25. Is he aware that Bond is based on Ian Fleming, whose services during WWII saved many lives and contributed to end the war?
    Danny Boyle has betrayed the Bond franchise and its fans. I have zero interest in watching another Boyle movie.

    +1.


    Good lord everyone, calm right down. Boyle's trying to help observe Armistice day. That's bigger than any movie franchise, for god's sake, and trying to suggest that it's disrespectful because Fleming served is ridiculous.

    You can be upset about Boyle leaving, dislike his films, or whatever else. But trying to spin his Armistice Day project this way makes all of us look bad.
    I agree. Well said. I didn't take anything from his comment apart from the fact that he is focused on honouring an important historical event, and didn't feel like talking about a fictional franchise he has nothing to do with anymore - a conversation he is perhaps restricted from discussing due to confidentiality arrangements anyway. It's a question of priorities, and he's got his right.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,538
    That’s why it was a smart move on her part to produce The Rhythm Section. A spy movie starring a female character. That’d shut a lot of people up rooting for a “female Bond.”

    If people really cared about gender equality in films, they wouldn't be banging on about gender swapping established characters. They would be supporting potential new female franchises like 'The Rhythm Section', and championing people in the industry like BB who are creating new opportunities for women and minorities.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    Maybe this is the role for Idris Elba?
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    That’s why it was a smart move on her part to produce The Rhythm Section. A spy movie starring a female character. That’d shut a lot of people up rooting for a “female Bond.”

    If people really cared about gender equality in films, they wouldn't be banging on about gender swapping established characters. They would be supporting potential new female franchises like 'The Rhythm Section', and championing people in the industry like BB who are creating new opportunities for women and minorities.

    Nail on head-- thanks for a simply intelligent comment. And yes, BB is leading by example (championing and producing TRS). We've heard some vitriol tossed her way on these threads, which has always surprised me.

    But what doesn't surprise me, whenever I read of BB, or hear her in an interview, is how intelligent and thoughtful a person she sounds.

    I'm very happy that Bond is under her stewardship (and this is from a guy that wasn't a great lover of the Brosnan era; I may not have enjoyed these films as much, but I never doubted that BB, MGW and EoN knew what they were doing. I just was cognizant enough that this Bond interpretation wasn't to my personal liking, BUT, it was to the liking of millions around the world, and they answered the bell (over and over). They are savvy producers)!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    That’s why it was a smart move on her part to produce The Rhythm Section. A spy movie starring a female character. That’d shut a lot of people up rooting for a “female Bond.”
    If people really cared about gender equality in films, they wouldn't be banging on about gender swapping established characters. They would be supporting potential new female franchises like 'The Rhythm Section', and championing people in the industry like BB who are creating new opportunities for women and minorities.
    Very much so.
  • Posts: 17,756
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,629
    The only wrong thing that BB has done in her time as the producer is keep hiring P & W as writers. Even then, I understand why.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 755
    god must you ignite the debate in the defense of BB’s stewardship again... there’s plenty of criticism to be leveled at EON and bringing up Brosnan era in their defense... oh screw it there’s no point.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    god must you ignite the debate in the defense of BB’s stewardship again... there’s plenty of criticism to be leveled at EON and bringing up Brosnan era in their defense... oh screw it there’s no point.

    I didn't know that I "ignite"(d) this "defense" before, @DoctorNo !...

    I am happy with BB's stewardship, yes. Even in times where I wasn't a fan of the films they were producing, I was never in doubt that EoN didn't know what they were doing-- they clearly did since they were making truck-loads of cash (which means people were going back time and again to see the films). I've been a fan long enough to know that there will always be a reinvention of some type. And I still went to the films on opening day.

    And after almost 60 years, run by the same family, I'm cognizant enough to also see that they will experiment with their formula (if they didn't, the Bond films would have died a long time ago-- especially in the 80s where they were making less and less at the box-office).

    So, what is your point?
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.

    Modesty Blaise is probably my favourite comic book character, and IMO a great opportunity for a film series. I'm wondering why no one tried to adapt it to film more seriously.

    (sorry for the offtopic)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited October 2018 Posts: 15,423
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.

    Modesty Blaise is probably my favourite comic book character, and IMO a great opportunity for a film series. I'm wondering why no one tried to adapt it to film more seriously.)
    I like her a lot, too. Sadly, she was never adapted properly to the big screen. Last time they tried making a TV movie out of it with the intention of passing it up as a pilot, it failed miserably.

    Nowadays, they'll go for the wrong direction and pull a reboot Tomb Raider on it by making Modesty a whiny teenager with mood swings and depression.

    Some fifteen years ago, Elizabeth Hurley would've made a terrific Modesty Blaise.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.

    Modesty Blaise is probably my favourite comic book character, and IMO a great opportunity for a film series. I'm wondering why no one tried to adapt it to film more seriously.

    (sorry for the offtopic)

    Maybe she deserves her own thread here?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited October 2018 Posts: 6,298
    Univex wrote: »
    One could, of course, argue that many of these so called social activists ride the people's agenda with their feet secured on their own stirrup-lobbies. Not sure that is the case, but I do know many neo-socialists or liberals who are no better than right wing conservatives who bang on the same worn key just because they like the tune of their own voice and think of themselves as moral superiors. Growing up is knowing there are no true selfless successful characters in this part of the century and reserving some critical and analytical space in your brain for that realistic view, albeit negative.

    That being said, and about that comment made by Barbara, I do find her to be one of the most prolifically diplomatic people I've never had the pleasure of knowing personally. I'm really happy to have her at the helm of things. I do know she has her own agenda, but it's quite clear what that one is, she has a golden goose that still lays golden eggs and she understands her product better than many. So she's being what she has always been, smart. I say good for her.

    Nice to see this post. Babs knows what she's doing, and she's on record as saying that she and MGW have differing political views. I don't see her letting Bond become a political platform.

    Some will say that making M a woman was "political," but that character was really inspired by the-then female head of MI6. (And by the way, Cubby had no problem tailoring the series to the times: look at XXX and Goodhead, who were clearly inspired by the women's liberation movement of the 1970s.)
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    The only wrong thing that BB has done in her time as the producer is keep hiring P & W as writers. Even then, I understand why.

    Re: P&W: one thing Babs clearly learned from her father was loyalty. He kept hiring, say, Mankiewicz even when his efforts were, shall we say, arguably dodgy.

    Babs and MGW have been producing this series for so long that they are kind of like politicians, or perhaps, diplomats for the Bond flame. Their answers about Bond being female, African, gay, are responses to provocative questions from the press, and they always answer these questions diplomatically.

    They clearly don't want to turn off half of the potential audience. It really is about the golden goose, as Univex states.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 17,756
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.

    Modesty Blaise is probably my favourite comic book character, and IMO a great opportunity for a film series. I'm wondering why no one tried to adapt it to film more seriously.

    (sorry for the offtopic)

    The source material is there for using, so I can't see why it wouldn't work. If not for the big screen, then a TV series on one of the streaming services perhaps?
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.

    Modesty Blaise is probably my favourite comic book character, and IMO a great opportunity for a film series. I'm wondering why no one tried to adapt it to film more seriously.)
    I like her a lot, too. Sadly, she was never adapted properly to the big screen. Last time they tried making a TV movie out of it with the intention of passing it up as a pilot, it failed miserably.

    Nowadays, they'll go for the wrong direction and pull a reboot Tomb Raider on it by making Modesty a whiny teenager with mood swings and depression.

    Some fifteen years ago, Elizabeth Hurley would've made a terrific Modesty Blaise.

    I do hope if they produce a Modesty Blaise film/series, they'll do it properly. Elizabeth Hurley would have been a fantastic 90's Modesty, just as she would have been a perfect Bond girl!
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.

    Modesty Blaise is probably my favourite comic book character, and IMO a great opportunity for a film series. I'm wondering why no one tried to adapt it to film more seriously.

    (sorry for the offtopic)

    Maybe she deserves her own thread here?

    Can't see why not!
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    echo wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    One could, of course, argue that many of these so called social activists ride the people's agenda with their feet secured on their own stirrup-lobbies. Not sure that is the case, but I do know many neo-socialists or liberals who are no better than right wing conservatives who bang on the same worn key just because they like the tune of their own voice and think of themselves as moral superiors. Growing up is knowing there are no true selfless successful characters in this part of the century and reserving some critical and analytical space in your brain for that realistic view, albeit negative.

    That being said, and about that comment made by Barbara, I do find her to be one of the most prolifically diplomatic people I've never had the pleasure of knowing personally. I'm really happy to have her at the helm of things. I do know she has her own agenda, but it's quite clear what that one is, she has a golden goose that still lays golden eggs and she understands her product better than many. So she's being what she has always been, smart. I say good for her.

    Nice to see this post. Babs knows what she's doing, and she's on record as saying that she and MGW have differing political views. I don't see her letting Bond become a political platform.

    Some will say that making M a woman was "political," but that character was really inspired by the-then female head of MI6. (And by the way, Cubby had no problem tailoring the series to the times: look at XXX and Goodhead, who were clearly inspired by the women's liberation movement of the 1970s.)
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    The only wrong thing that BB has done in her time as the producer is keep hiring P & W as writers. Even then, I understand why.

    Re: P&W: one thing Babs clearly learned from her father was loyalty. He kept hiring, say, Mankiewicz even when his efforts were, shall we say, arguably dodgy.

    Very good points— in full agreement.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited October 2018 Posts: 3,126
    I always go back to what cubby told Barbara when she got the keys to bond "don't let others screw it up" we need this now more then ever in bond history that advice
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
    Posts: 1,400
    peter wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    One could, of course, argue that many of these so called social activists ride the people's agenda with their feet secured on their own stirrup-lobbies. Not sure that is the case, but I do know many neo-socialists or liberals who are no better than right wing conservatives who bang on the same worn key just because they like the tune of their own voice and think of themselves as moral superiors. Growing up is knowing there are no true selfless successful characters in this part of the century and reserving some critical and analytical space in your brain for that realistic view, albeit negative.

    That being said, and about that comment made by Barbara, I do find her to be one of the most prolifically diplomatic people I've never had the pleasure of knowing personally. I'm really happy to have her at the helm of things. I do know she has her own agenda, but it's quite clear what that one is, she has a golden goose that still lays golden eggs and she understands her product better than many. So she's being what she has always been, smart. I say good for her.

    Nice to see this post. Babs knows what she's doing, and she's on record as saying that she and MGW have differing political views. I don't see her letting Bond become a political platform.

    Some will say that making M a woman was "political," but that character was really inspired by the-then female head of MI6. (And by the way, Cubby had no problem tailoring the series to the times: look at XXX and Goodhead, who were clearly inspired by the women's liberation movement of the 1970s.)
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    The only wrong thing that BB has done in her time as the producer is keep hiring P & W as writers. Even then, I understand why.

    Re: P&W: one thing Babs clearly learned from her father was loyalty. He kept hiring, say, Mankiewicz even when his efforts were, shall we say, arguably dodgy.

    Very good points— in full agreement.

    I believe you mean Stella Rimington, who was head of MI5, not MI6. 1992-1996. There hasn't been a female "C" yet.
  • NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.

    I believe that Quentin Tarantino owns the character. If memory serves, he bought the rights ages ago, and produced a (decent, if forgettable) eastern-European film a while later to keep the rights alive.
  • Posts: 17,756
    octofinger wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »

    Glad to see she squashed the speculation about that BS.

    If they want a female Bond then she’s there, all ready and waiting. Modesty Blaise.

    A Modesty Blaise film would be fantastic, actually.

    I believe that Quentin Tarantino owns the character. If memory serves, he bought the rights ages ago, and produced a (decent, if forgettable) eastern-European film a while later to keep the rights alive.

    Interesting. Knew he was involved in that film somehow, but didn't know he owns the rights. He should really take the advantage to do something with those rights!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Don’t know if he owns the rights. Can’t find any evidence to suggest that. But, he did say he was interested in making one during the 90s, and only acted as a presenter to that direct-to-video film My Name Is Modesty which was nothing short of a total bore. I think it was most likely a failed pilot.
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