No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Discipline, OO7 fans. Discipline.

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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,584
    The wait between 1989 and 1995 felt more momentous - it was an unprecedented break at the time, between actors - on the back of a disappointing box office performance. They had finally run out of Fleming titles (felt like they'd never get Casino Royale back and no one thought of Quantum of Solace!) It was in a time of no social media so no news for sometimes years at a time. Also I was 14 when I saw LTK at the cinema and 20 when I saw Goldeneye. Lots of changes in taste and life experiences between those two films for me.

    I had just turned 21 when LTK was released, the same summer as Batman, Dead Poets Society, and Lethal Weapon 2. I was about to start my fourth and final year of college.

    When GE was released, I was 27, had my masters degree, and was married (to my first wife.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    It seems we need another thread to be called- "unsatisfied bond fans" where people can get their frustration out.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Or they can just log off and experience real life.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Or they can just log off and experience real life.
    Some don't have any. That's the trouble.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Or they can just log off and experience real life.

    Don't you think they already have, it's just that there will always be some hotheads around here.
  • edited November 2018 Posts: 4,619
    A question to the always ardent EON acolytes: At what point would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying because of the lack of leaks/news? Would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying if we haven't heard ANYTHING new about Bond 25 from now until the end of December? What about the end of January? Or the end of February?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The delay from November to February is very worrying in itself. What if WW3 breaks out in December or January?
  • Posts: 4,619
    The delay from November to February is very worrying in itself. What if WW3 breaks out in December or January?
    You had a chance to give a reasonable answer to a reasonable question and you blew it.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    A question to the always ardent EON acolytes: At what point would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying because of the lack of leaks/news? Would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying if we haven't heard ANYTHING new about Bond 25 from now until the end of December? What about the end of January? Or the end of February?

    I'd give it at least until Craig finishes filming Knives Out, for one thing. The New Year, middle of January seems reasonable enough to me considering the 4th March start date.
  • Posts: 17,753
    A question to the always ardent EON acolytes: At what point would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying because of the lack of leaks/news? Would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying if we haven't heard ANYTHING new about Bond 25 from now until the end of December? What about the end of January? Or the end of February?

    Why worry at all? For my own part, I just expect confirmation on start of filming, and that's it. Whatever happen between now and then on the news front is just a bonus.
  • edited November 2018 Posts: 6,709
    A question to the always ardent EON acolytes: At what point would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying because of the lack of leaks/news? Would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying if we haven't heard ANYTHING new about Bond 25 from now until the end of December? What about the end of January? Or the end of February?

    If by June 2019 we don't have any news, I'll still say it's a secretive production and I'll be 100% behind that vector of thought. I've come to appreciate it, actually. I do have a busy, very fulfilled life, ya know?

    And if something happens, well, it'll be part of History, Bond history even. Comme il faut. Don't fret.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited November 2018 Posts: 8,216
    A question to the always ardent EON acolytes: At what point would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying because of the lack of leaks/news? Would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying if we haven't heard ANYTHING new about Bond 25 from now until the end of December? What about the end of January? Or the end of February?

    Why worry at all? For my own part, I just expect confirmation on start of filming, and that's it. Whatever happen between now and then on the news front is just a bonus.

    That'd be fine by me, too. Hell, even if I never knew the title until the trailer was released, I'd be fine with that also. It being Craig's last hurrah is enough to make people take notice. The film could hinge it's whole marketing campaign on that and it'd be fine.

    If they held a conference just to announce the cast and that shooting was underway and everything was proceeding according to their plan, that'd be enough. It's not like none of us are not going to see the bloody film!
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    What happens behind the scenes shouldn't be our concerns but EON's .As long as we get a fantastic film on schedule i am okay with it. Worrying won't make it any better than it already is. If we get some news for instance it would be a bless but until then I am enjoying other threads.
  • Posts: 17,753
    A question to the always ardent EON acolytes: At what point would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying because of the lack of leaks/news? Would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying if we haven't heard ANYTHING new about Bond 25 from now until the end of December? What about the end of January? Or the end of February?

    Why worry at all? For my own part, I just expect confirmation on start of filming, and that's it. Whatever happen between now and then on the news front is just a bonus.

    That'd be fine by me, too. Hell, even if I never knew the title until the trailer was released, I'd be fine with that also. It being Craig's last hurrah is enough to make people take notice. The film could hinge it's whole marketing campaign on that and it'd be fine.

    If they held a conference just to announce the cast and that shooting was underway and everything was proceeding according to their plan, that'd be enough. It's not like none of us are not going to see the bloody film!

    I would be surprised if "Craig's" last won't be a big part of the marketing. Use it for what it's worth, I'd say!

    The press conference is definitely what we should look forward to. It's not like we can expect massive amounts of news until then either. Don't mind a bit of casting and/or location rumours though.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited November 2018 Posts: 4,043
    I'm greatly encouraged by no leaks, we'll hear news when we hear it.

    To be honest there is plenty of time once filming starts for the likes of Baz to ruin all the surprises, imagine going into Skyfall not knowing Dench's M was going to die.

    One of the downsides of the internet and the rabid press is nothing is a surprise and film makers struggle to keep things under wraps.

    I'm not claiming it to be one of the main reasons I hold such disdain for SPECTRE but being foolish enough to read some of the explicit spoilers on that film most likely contributed to my overall feelings on it.

    I know some of you are quite happy to know every fart and burp from production of the next entry as it gears up including integral plot points once it goes into production. Although I am one who is sick to death and tired of having films spoiled for me through either my own impatience or blabber mouth tabloid hacks like Baz Bambingboye.

    Yes it's fine when he reveals a director or a writer or maybe a rumoured cast member but to go as explicit as saying Waltz was going to be Blofeld or take delight in revealing Dench was to die in Skyfall ruining genuine possible moments that would have had far more impact not knowing them is to me not necessary yet Baz gets respect here why?

    I know Waltz's identity was the worst kept secret in Hollywood since the title of Bond 23 leaked and yes when the title was revealed it would have been a good bet who he would be revealed to be but Baz had already blabbed this out before CW was confirmed.

    I'm planning on staying away from the spoilers because as sure as Daniel Craig is going to be James Bond in the new film as soon as official announcements are revealed like casting and a brief description of the plot, the spoilers are going to go into overdrive and this so called drought we have now will be an oasis of rumours and conjecture within the next 6 months or so.

    It's the nature of the beast and I know how these things work so it's inevitable that things will leak at some point, so now news is fine by me at this point in time.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    A question to the always ardent EON acolytes: At what point would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying because of the lack of leaks/news? Would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying if we haven't heard ANYTHING new about Bond 25 from now until the end of December? What about the end of January? Or the end of February?

    Why worry at all? For my own part, I just expect confirmation on start of filming, and that's it. Whatever happen between now and then on the news front is just a bonus.

    That'd be fine by me, too. Hell, even if I never knew the title until the trailer was released, I'd be fine with that also. It being Craig's last hurrah is enough to make people take notice. The film could hinge it's whole marketing campaign on that and it'd be fine.

    If they held a conference just to announce the cast and that shooting was underway and everything was proceeding according to their plan, that'd be enough. It's not like none of us are not going to see the bloody film!

    I would be surprised if "Craig's" last won't be a big part of the marketing. Use it for what it's worth, I'd say!

    The press conference is definitely what we should look forward to. It's not like we can expect massive amounts of news until then either. Don't mind a bit of casting and/or location rumours though.

    I would not be surprised if the marketing campaign is adjusted to fit the new circumstances and the somewhat unusual turns the production has taken compared to what we are used to.

    Spectre had the benefit of following a smash hit so it was fairly straightforward to market, like most Bonds have been. Press Conference > Set Photos > Teaser Trailer/Poster > Theatrical Trailer > Final Trailer.

    Simple. I know Bond is a reliable brand name, and it's going to be a big success no matter what, but I'd like to see some risks taken in the marketing. Keep things under wraps even longer. The "cards close to the chest" thing works really well for me, personally. I love a well-thought out promotional campaign; we'll likely not have a strict continuity with the next Bond, so we may as well hype up the finality of Bond 25 for Craig. Go for broke.
  • Posts: 17,753
    A question to the always ardent EON acolytes: At what point would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying because of the lack of leaks/news? Would you say it would be reasonable to start worrying if we haven't heard ANYTHING new about Bond 25 from now until the end of December? What about the end of January? Or the end of February?

    Why worry at all? For my own part, I just expect confirmation on start of filming, and that's it. Whatever happen between now and then on the news front is just a bonus.

    That'd be fine by me, too. Hell, even if I never knew the title until the trailer was released, I'd be fine with that also. It being Craig's last hurrah is enough to make people take notice. The film could hinge it's whole marketing campaign on that and it'd be fine.

    If they held a conference just to announce the cast and that shooting was underway and everything was proceeding according to their plan, that'd be enough. It's not like none of us are not going to see the bloody film!

    I would be surprised if "Craig's" last won't be a big part of the marketing. Use it for what it's worth, I'd say!

    The press conference is definitely what we should look forward to. It's not like we can expect massive amounts of news until then either. Don't mind a bit of casting and/or location rumours though.

    I would not be surprised if the marketing campaign is adjusted to fit the new circumstances and the somewhat unusual turns the production has taken compared to what we are used to.

    Spectre had the benefit of following a smash hit so it was fairly straightforward to market, like most Bonds have been. Press Conference > Set Photos > Teaser Trailer/Poster > Theatrical Trailer > Final Trailer.

    Simple. I know Bond is a reliable brand name, and it's going to be a big success no matter what, but I'd like to see some risks taken in the marketing. Keep things under wraps even longer. The "cards close to the chest" thing works really well for me, personally. I love a well-thought out promotional campaign; we'll likely not have a strict continuity with the next Bond, so we may as well hype up the finality of Bond 25 for Craig. Go for broke.

    Definitely agree. A bit of risk in marketing – if only just slightly, could be of great benefit. I don't mind the usual way they do it, but a finality of a tenure and an "unusual" production could make EON want to do things differently.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    In other news, Jon Mallard has joined Bond 25 as the First Assistant Director
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0539883/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr11

    He's a long time fixture of Fukunaga's team. He worked with the director on True Detective, Beasts of No Nation and Manaic (he was also the Producer of the latter).

    It seems that despite the anxiety on discussion boards, the film is moving forward behind the scenes.

    The question now is whether other long time Fukunaga crew members will begin to get announced.

    Interestingly, as with CJF, he has a lot of experience working in television.

  • edited November 2018 Posts: 17,753
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    In other news, Jon Mallard has joined Bond 25 as the First Assistant Director
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0539883/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr11

    He's a long time fixture of Fukunaga's team. He worked with the director on True Detective, Beasts of No Nation and Manaic (he was also the Producer of the latter).

    It seems that despite the anxiety on discussion boards, the film is moving forward behind the scenes.

    The question now is whether other long time Fukunaga crew members will begin to get announced.

    Interestingly, as with CJF, he has a lot of experience working in television.

    For those who knows these sorts of things: what would be the advantage of people with television background working on B25? Being used to working on schedule and tighter budgets of course, but what else?
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    edited November 2018 Posts: 260
    I don't know anything about these sort of things but I guess being used to making things look good even on a small screen is something that could come to mind.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    In other news, Jon Mallard has joined Bond 25 as the First Assistant Director
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0539883/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr11

    He's a long time fixture of Fukunaga's team. He worked with the director on True Detective, Beasts of No Nation and Manaic (he was also the Producer of the latter).

    It seems that despite the anxiety on discussion boards, the film is moving forward behind the scenes.

    The question now is whether other long time Fukunaga crew members will begin to get announced.

    Interestingly, as with CJF, he has a lot of experience working in television.

    For those who knows these sorts of things: what would be the advantage of people with television background working on B25? Being used to working on schedule and tighter budgets of course, but what else?

    Efficiency would be the key thing, I would say. Especially in HOD roles. Beyond that, I guess it comes down to the individual. Nowadays the technological differences between film and TV aren't that great - they're just utilised differently.

    I'd say there'd be an even greater difference between someone like Fukanaga (who had directed film before True Detective) and someone involved in a long running television series. I guess Mallard fits all the criteria, having worked a bit on all three different types of production - film, event series, and long running shows.

    Most of my experience comes from production management on micro-budget indie films, studio entertainment shows and drama, and I've only been doing it for ten years, so I'm just giving my own best guess here. Someone like @peter or @ColonelSun might feel differently.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    In other news, Jon Mallard has joined Bond 25 as the First Assistant Director
    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0539883/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr11

    He's a long time fixture of Fukunaga's team. He worked with the director on True Detective, Beasts of No Nation and Manaic (he was also the Producer of the latter).

    It seems that despite the anxiety on discussion boards, the film is moving forward behind the scenes.

    The question now is whether other long time Fukunaga crew members will begin to get announced.

    Interestingly, as with CJF, he has a lot of experience working in television.

    For those who knows these sorts of things: what would be the advantage of people with television background working on B25? Being used to working on schedule and tighter budgets of course, but what else?

    When news broke that EoN were looking at some TV directors, @ColonelSun had some interesting points: these guys and gals are exceptionally talented, working on tight budgets and schedules, putting everything onto the screen in a timely fashion.

    I also would add that they're exceptionally creative visually with the means at hand. As some on this forum have noted time and again, especially @Shardlake , some of the best work is now happening on TV.

    CF is the cream of the crop as a visual story-teller, and I sincerely think he will be giving this franchise a very unique story and look...
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    @CraigMooreOHMSS I was writing the same type of reply as yours came in. I didn't know you were a production manager! Ten years is a great lump of experience. Lets chat more-- PM me when you have a moment. Love to hear more of what you're up to!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    It's actually a very inspired decision. Giving a very talented TV director a chance to build his way into a budget far bigger than anything he or she has worked with is a terrific risk to take. Given Fukunaga's past works, I am very much interested in seeing how will he cope with a production as big as B25, and this mutually comes from my heavy interest in the world of cinema and Bond as a franchise. Chances are, with these sort of stunts (and I don't mean that in a degrading way, mind you?), B25 might end up being very groundbreaking. Fukunaga himself mentioned something about subverting the genre, so I wish him the best of luck.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,216
    peter wrote: »
    @CraigMooreOHMSS I was writing the same type of reply as yours came in. I didn't know you were a production manager! Ten years is a great lump of experience. Lets chat more-- PM me when you have a moment. Love to hear more of what you're up to!

    I shall do, @peter

    Expect a PM sometime this evening!
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    @CraigMooreOHMSS -- looking forward to it!

    P
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    It's actually a very inspired decision. Giving a very talented TV director a chance to build his way into a budget far bigger than anything he or she has worked with is a terrific risk to take. Given Fukunaga's past works, I am very much interested in seeing how will he cope with a production as big as B25, and this mutually comes from my heavy interest in the world of cinema and Bond as a franchise. Chances are, with these sort of stunts (and I don't mean that in a degrading way, mind you?), B25 might end up being very groundbreaking. Fukunaga himself mentioned something about subverting the genre, so I wish him the best of luck.

    At least we can expect something a big budget film which looks like one on screen and well spend.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    It's actually a very inspired decision. Giving a very talented TV director a chance to build his way into a budget far bigger than anything he or she has worked with is a terrific risk to take. Given Fukunaga's past works, I am very much interested in seeing how will he cope with a production as big as B25, and this mutually comes from my heavy interest in the world of cinema and Bond as a franchise. Chances are, with these sort of stunts (and I don't mean that in a degrading way, mind you?), B25 might end up being very groundbreaking. Fukunaga himself mentioned something about subverting the genre, so I wish him the best of luck.
    At least we can expect something a big budget film which looks like one on screen and well spend.
    Very well said.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    It's actually a very inspired decision. Giving a very talented TV director a chance to build his way into a budget far bigger than anything he or she has worked with is a terrific risk to take. Given Fukunaga's past works, I am very much interested in seeing how will he cope with a production as big as B25, and this mutually comes from my heavy interest in the world of cinema and Bond as a franchise. Chances are, with these sort of stunts (and I don't mean that in a degrading way, mind you?), B25 might end up being very groundbreaking. Fukunaga himself mentioned something about subverting the genre, so I wish him the best of luck.

    I'm of the same mind as you. Nicely said.
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