No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited December 2018 Posts: 5,767
    Cary is in London tonight at the BIFA awards ceremony, where he gave Judi Dench an honorary award
    presenter-cary-fukunaga-winner-of-the-richard-harris-award-for-by-picture-id1076275114

    He worked with Judi Dench on an adaption of Jane Eyre a few years back. Though, I suspect he's in London on Bond business.
    Who cares for CF and Dench, just give me that Lady on the Right. Who is she?


    Supposedly, Cary called Judi Dench a 'bad bitch' last night. Dench has a great sense of humour. Her icy and cold M seems a million miles away from her true persona.
    I remeber a Clip where she explained that she embroiders cushions with dirty words for her set colleagues :-).


    It’s pretty obvious that the trajectory they’ll follow (and the film’s big hook) will be Bond’s death.

    1. Casino Royale: Here, Bond is an idealistic rookie who fails to comprehend the big picture. He has his heart broken and learns the hard way that the world is not black-and-white. Also, he someone who struggles with decisions he’s made, especially killing people.
    2. Quantum of Solace: Following the events of the last films, Bond is angry, cold and isolated. Is he looking for revenge or closure?
    3. Skyfall: Here, Bond starts the film as wiser and more self-assured. However, he quickly becomes older and more antiquated. 007 is very much a seasoned vet who is past his peak and growing obsolete.
    4. Spectre: After proving those who doubted his competence wrong, Bond is back in full-form and more driven than we have previously seen. He falls in love again and doors that he previously thought closed are reopened. He is content to not kill the villain (the ‘bigger picture’) and retire with beautiful woman (the exact inverse of CR).

    In many, Spectre was an ‘ending’ of sorts. It closed off the Craig films.

    However, since Craig is coming back. I think we’ll almost certainly see an older and more grizzled Bond. Someone on his last legs. If all rumours of Boyle’s exit are to be believed, Bond will die. I can imagine that Craig will aim to give an Oscar-worthy performance as Bond. It’ll be that kind of movie. We’ll also likely see the end of Whishaw, Fiennes and Harris’s tenures. This will work as a finale on the Craig era. Then we reboot with a new director and perspective.

    For naysayers and people who disapprove of the more angsty Bond. His death won't be permaent like say Luke Skywalker's and canon hardly matters with Bond films. You can rejoice in knowing that the series will reboot with a more ‘fun’ approach. I think Eon will steer clear of doom and gloom and get a Christopher McQuarrie/Edgar Wright-type for Bond 26. The Christopher Nolan-Bond has already been done with Craig.
    No halfway reliable rumour exists that Boyle wanted Bond to die. And I cannot for the world get what should be interesting in Bond dying.

    You mean Oscar-worthy like Halle Berry?

    The description "McQuarrie/Wright type" as opposed to Nolan seems rather inappropriate, since McQuarrie and Wright could hardly be more different and McQuarrie freely borrowed from Nolan in Fallout.
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    The problem with angsty narrative threads is you need to keep plumbing deeper and deeper.

    Bond has already fallen in love, gone on a vicious revenge rampage, grown old, lost a de facto parent, faced off against an ultimate nemesis, come full circle.

    I understand that the only narrative space one can move into for Craig’s swan song is death.

    But such a move would be, for me at least, a complete and utter disaster. It would, if indeed it transpires, crash a tenure already seriously derailed by Mendes.

    In fact, one wonders whether it is possible for John Glen’s action-based savoir faire (the last great era) will ever return in this drama-obsessed world we find ourselves in.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    GetCarter wrote: »

    In fact, one wonders whether it is possible for John Glen’s action-based savoir faire (the last great era) will ever return in this drama-obsessed world we find ourselves in.

    They had a golden, missed, opportunity following Skyfall; it ended with Bond revitalized and ready to back in action. It was a perfect time for a completely stand alone, big, adventure with Bond living large and saving the world .
    Some have said that SPECTRE was a return to an old school Bond; it wasn’t even close.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 386
    talos7 wrote: »
    GetCarter wrote: »

    In fact, one wonders whether it is possible for John Glen’s action-based savoir faire (the last great era) will ever return in this drama-obsessed world we find ourselves in.

    They had a golden, missed, opportunity following Skyfall; it ended with Bond revitalized and ready to back in action. It was a perfect time for a completely stand alone, big, adventure with Bond living large and saving the world .
    Some have said that SPECTRE was a return to an old school Bond; it wasn’t even close.

    Yep I agree they seemed to attempt an “old school” Bond with Spectre, Talos7.

    I just don’t think Mendes was up to it.

    At first I thought the overly serious Craig was the problem, but then you look at Timothy Dalton, a similar type of actor in my opinion, and you know that these types can still flourish given the right framework.

    That framework should be exotic locales, solid action and glittering savoir faire. That’s what Bond is, at least to me.

    Craig CAN deliver this. Casino Royale is in my top three and unlikely to be dislodged. We just need the right director and script.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    .... or at least a “ Bond in his prime” film in between OoS and SF

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    Cary is in London tonight at the BIFA awards ceremony, where he gave Judi Dench an honorary award
    presenter-cary-fukunaga-winner-of-the-richard-harris-award-for-by-picture-id1076275114

    He worked with Judi Dench on an adaption of Jane Eyre a few years back. Though, I suspect he's in London on Bond business.
    Who cares for CF and Dench, just give me that Lady on the Right. Who is she?
    I share your sentiments. That's Ella Harris, who is Richard Harris's granddaughter.
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    Supposedly, Cary called Judi Dench a 'bad bitch' last night. Dench has a great sense of humour. Her icy and cold M seems a million miles away from her true persona.



    I'm still waiting for word on who he'll hire as his DP. Does anyone with film business ties know who this'll be?

    Tracey Ullman seems to share Cary's opinion of her! :))

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  • edited December 2018 Posts: 5,767
    bondjames wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Cary is in London tonight at the BIFA awards ceremony, where he gave Judi Dench an honorary award
    presenter-cary-fukunaga-winner-of-the-richard-harris-award-for-by-picture-id1076275114

    He worked with Judi Dench on an adaption of Jane Eyre a few years back. Though, I suspect he's in London on Bond business.
    Who cares for CF and Dench, just give me that Lady on the Right. Who is she?
    I share your sentiments. That's Ella Harris, who is Richard Harris's granddaughter.
    Great Actor, even greater granddaughter.

  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    .... or at least a “ Bond in his prime” film in between OoS and SF

    This
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    edited December 2018 Posts: 260
    GetCarter wrote: »

    That framework should be exotic locales, solid action and glittering savoir faire. That’s what Bond is, at least to me.

    This!
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Let's face it, Mendes didn't care about CR/QoS continuity.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.
    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.
    +1
  • But if they did a stand-alone Bond caper like the old Connery/Moore days, they wouldn't have been able to do the 'troubled Bond' thing. The Craig era's remit is - he needs to be tortured (either literally or psychologically).
    God forbid he should enjoy saving the world!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    One thing it does is sort of recognize the four year gap between films. And that double-Os don't usually last that long. There is some sense to be made of it.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Isn't there an interview with Mendes where he says that one of the main reasons he did SF was to show Bond aging?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited December 2018 Posts: 8,205
    shamanimal wrote: »
    But if they did a stand-alone Bond caper like the old Connery/Moore days, they wouldn't have been able to do the 'troubled Bond' thing. The Craig era's remit is - he needs to be tortured (either literally or psychologically).
    God forbid he should enjoy saving the world!
    v

    Sure the could , particularly with a Connery type film. We all go through times in our lives that ate more taxing when there is more introspection. Which skillful writing and direction, a film, or couple of films could have been done where Craig’s Bond’s emotional complexity could have been minimized, but not eliminated.
    I hate to keep bringing up the MI series but they handled Hunts emotional/ domestic story beautifully; it was deeply explored, too much for some, in MI:3. In the next one MI:GP they create some distance and concentrate on an unrelated story. It’s present, particularly at the end, but does not drive the story.
    There is no mention of it In RN , and finally it is addressed and wrapped up in FO. The next film will be a clean slate.
    Bond’s emotional complexity could have been handled much more skillfully , without weighing down the character. Unfortunately, they did not contact me. ;)

  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited December 2018 Posts: 5,185
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.

    Thats why i'm glad we got Blood Stone. It checks all those Boxes for me at least, and is one of my favorite Bond games.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    00Agent wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.

    Thats why i'm glad we got Blood Stone. It checks all those Boxes for me at least, and is one of my favorite Bond games.
    That's how I feel as well. And while I love SF in its own right, I certainly understand the frustration.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    jake24 wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.

    Thats why i'm glad we got Blood Stone. It checks all those Boxes for me at least, and is one of my favorite Bond games.
    That's how I feel as well. And while I love SF in its own right, I certainly understand the frustration.

    That's why we need Bruce Feirstein back on the series, he knows the humor and seriousness well, without overdoing it.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.

    Thats why i'm glad we got Blood Stone. It checks all those Boxes for me at least, and is one of my favorite Bond games.

    True. Absolutely fantastic game.
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.

    Thats why i'm glad we got Blood Stone. It checks all those Boxes for me at least, and is one of my favorite Bond games.
    That's how I feel as well. And while I love SF in its own right, I certainly understand the frustration.

    That's why we need Bruce Feirstein back on the series, he knows the humor and seriousness well, without overdoing it.

    I completely agree. Bond needs him right now.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    00Agent wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.

    Thats why i'm glad we got Blood Stone. It checks all those Boxes for me at least, and is one of my favorite Bond games.

    True. Absolutely fantastic game.
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.

    Thats why i'm glad we got Blood Stone. It checks all those Boxes for me at least, and is one of my favorite Bond games.
    That's how I feel as well. And while I love SF in its own right, I certainly understand the frustration.

    That's why we need Bruce Feirstein back on the series, he knows the humor and seriousness well, without overdoing it.

    I completely agree. Bond needs him right now.
    I concur. Both cases.
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    GetCarter wrote: »
    The problem with angsty narrative threads is you need to keep plumbing deeper and deeper.

    Bond has already fallen in love, gone on a vicious revenge rampage, grown old, lost a de facto parent, faced off against an ultimate nemesis, come full circle.

    I understand that the only narrative space one can move into for Craig’s swan song is death.

    But such a move would be, for me at least, a complete and utter disaster. It would, if indeed it transpires, crash a tenure already seriously derailed by Mendes.

    In fact, one wonders whether it is possible for John Glen’s action-based savoir faire (the last great era) will ever return in this drama-obsessed world we find ourselves in.

    I agree with you from a personal fan perspective. 2012 was the start of a long drive down a massive dead end for this Bond IMO. But at the same time the box office and critical acclaim says otherwise.

    The John Glen era was indeed the last great period for Bond in my view. I don't see EON ever trying to return to that approach though and frankly I doubt it's possible. You could argue they tried it with Brosnan and that produced one of the worst string of movies in the series history.

    Change is inevitable. I'm just hoping the next iteration is more up my street.

    I think given the influence of Bourne and then the superhero films during the Craig era it was inevitable they go down this route.
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    Cary Fukunaga has been the director of Bond 25 for 75 days. Filming will begin in 90 days.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited December 2018 Posts: 11,139
    Know this already...

    Bond 25 Will Follow 'Casino Royale' Story Arc, Says Cary Fukunaga

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/movies/bond-25-will-follow-casino-royale-story-arc-says-cary-fukunaga/ar-BBQit0V?ocid=ientp

  • edited December 2018 Posts: 5,767
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    They had a golden missed opportunity to do that all with Skyfall. Bond in his prime, fighting Silva who had already walked in his shoes and was one step ahead of him. They could've dropped the melodrama and made a great adventure.

    That’s one of the most jarring things about SF. We had two movies establishing CraigBond as a rookie, each with an ending that said “Now he’s finally, completely Bond.” Then we get SF portraying him as old and washed up. Not only did that rob us of seeing Craig in a straightforward movie playing Bond in his prime, but it also ignored a timeline that had just finished his rookie phase. Kinda skipped over something there.
    While we´re at it, it´s even worse, because the deconstruction of the James Bond character in SF makes no sense, because first Craig established a sharp Departure from the General perception of the character established especially by Connery, Moore and Brosnan, and then SF relates exactly to everything before Craig.

    That´s why I think all this circle of Craig´s era thinking is wrong, and it would make a lot of sense if CF either built on CR and QoS and ignored SF and SP (which I find unlikely to come true), or again completely re-invent Bond (which doesn´t seem too far-fetched).



    One thing it does is sort of recognize the four year gap between films. And that double-Os don't usually last that long. There is some sense to be made of it.
    How? Film audiences know Bond to be in his 40s and enjoying life at least since the 70s.



    talos7 wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    But if they did a stand-alone Bond caper like the old Connery/Moore days, they wouldn't have been able to do the 'troubled Bond' thing. The Craig era's remit is - he needs to be tortured (either literally or psychologically).
    God forbid he should enjoy saving the world!
    v

    Sure the could , particularly with a Connery type film. We all go through times in our lives that ate more taxing when there is more introspection. Which skillful writing and direction, a film, or couple of films could have been done where Craig’s Bond’s emotional complexity could have been minimized, but not eliminated.
    I hate to keep bringing up the MI series but they handled Hunts emotional/ domestic story beautifully; it was deeply explored, too much for some, in MI:3. In the next one MI:GP they create some distance and concentrate on an unrelated story. It’s present, particularly at the end, but does not drive the story.
    There is no mention of it In RN , and finally it is addressed and wrapped up in FO. The next film will be a clean slate.
    Bond’s emotional complexity could have been handled much more skillfully , without weighing down the character. Unfortunately, they did not contact me. ;)
    About the clean slate, that´s what me and I think a lot of other People too thought after QoS ;-).

    The Problem I have with These domestic Affairs or private angles is that on an iconographic level the protagonist´s Motivation turns from idealistic to selfish in this bigger context of a secret Agent´s world. The very term ´Agent´implies that he does Things for others, not for himself. If a Family Father tries to Rescue his Family, that would amount to the same. But if a secret Agent who works for the Government or some other Organisation suddenly is busy with private Affairs, he doesn´t do his proper Job. In real life there is of Course this dichotomy, but in a 2-hour movie, it tends to be a subliminal call to anarchy.
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