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  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,149
    Univex wrote: »
    It's all just a bloody business. It's like in the Literary world, editors don't publish quality and avant guarde literature anymore, they just cater to the brain dead readers who represent the majority of buyers. That means art is catering to audience. It's all just a product/client dynamic. Bond has been like that since 1979. It stopped being a cinema trend setter and became an imitator, and integrationist, catering to other franchises audiences, instead of making its own thing and influencing the rest. It's embarrassing. Bond is King of his own genre. Or it should be. Right now, I would even take a formulaic Bond (if done right) over all of this "female agent", "scooby gang", gunbarrel displacement, "do I look like I give a damn", kind of crap. I just want a Bond film. Go back to the source. Go back to Fleming. There's so much good material yet to use. There's so many interesting side character that have never been part of the films. There are even action/suspense scenes that were never adapted to film. Why do they have to depend on personal angles, on rogue angles,...

    I'm putting my faith on Fukunaga, but...who knows. At this point, it's all good news vs bad news vs daft rumours vs fake news... I wish we could go back to 1999 and to reading cinema magazines and real news.

    Those were the days. Also a new film every 2-3 years.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    edited December 2018 Posts: 832
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    http://jamesbondradio.com/rumor-mill-team-bond-may-be-closer-than-we-think/

    Uh oh Spectre haters.
    This would be a disaster. Have zero interest in giving the mi6 staff the screen time they had in sp. This would eliminate one of the main reasons I prefer bond films over other spy films. Also, I hated Fallout.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,149
    I do hope once production rolls, after we get the title and main cast my optimism on this new Bond film skyrockets.

    So far there has been no official news announced (other than that we're getting a new film) that I actually "like". Nothing confirmed about this film has whetted my appetite. Certainly I'm intrigued by Cary directing, but not having seen any of his work I'm indifferent. Every new article regarding this film: Lea returning, especially the new Scooby Gang/ Mission Impossible article makes me less and less enthused.

    Wow.

    It is still early, though. Perhaps Cary will impress by giving a Bond film that makes OHMSS look like GIGLI.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    If it's not as good as skyfall D.C.'s record will be stained and the next era will go lighter
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,462
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    If it's not as good as skyfall D.C.'s record will be stained and the next era will go lighter

    I think the next era will be lighter regardless of how well-received B25 is. Connery/Lazenby era was a bit more serious, Moore sillier, Dalton serious, Brosnan sillier, Craig serious, so if the pattern continues we should get a lighter era next. Each era had both serious and silly stuff of course, but I just meant in a general sense.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,843
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    http://jamesbondradio.com/rumor-mill-team-bond-may-be-closer-than-we-think/

    Uh oh Spectre haters.
    " Add to that a growing number of online voices calling for “Fallout” writer/director Christopher McQuarrie to helm the inevitable 26th entry in the series"

    What??? Virtually nobody wants McQuarrie to helm Bond 26, because everyone knows the great Christopher Nolan would be very willing to direct that film... I HATE JamesBondRadio.

    I prefer McQuarrie over Nolan for Bond 26

    Heck I will take Christopher Cross at least this way sailing takes me away from where I’m going
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I do hope once production rolls, after we get the title and main cast my optimism on this new Bond film skyrockets.

    So far there has been no official news announced (other than that we're getting a new film) that I actually "like". Nothing confirmed about this film has whetted my appetite. Certainly I'm intrigued by Cary directing, but not having seen any of his work I'm indifferent. Every new article regarding this film: Lea returning, especially the new Scooby Gang/ Mission Impossible article makes me less and less enthused.

    Wow.

    It is still early, though. Perhaps Cary will impress by giving a Bond film that makes OHMSS look like GIGLI.
    I know what you mean. I sort of feel the same way. The news trickling out is somewhat predictable & rather anticlimactic. A lot of this seems a bit recycled too. After all, we heard about Scooby spinoffs and possible continuation narratives a while back. If anything, the anticipation of Boyle's secret golden idea seemed more inspiring than what we have now. Hey, maybe CF has a plan to turn lead into gold. I sure hope so.

    Regarding MI; it's an incredible franchise with a growing global fanbase. I can understand the studio wanting to try to incorporate some of the team spirit from that series, because it creates more recurring characters that audiences can relate to or look forward to seeing. As an example, I now want to see the next MI installment as much for Rebecca Ferguson as I do Tom Cruise. MI is MI though. It's always been team based, even if the films relied until recently more on Cruise's star power and cachet. As others have correctly noted, that is not James Bond. It never has been and it never should be. So hopefully this idea is vetoed and put to rest shortly.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Risico007 wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    http://jamesbondradio.com/rumor-mill-team-bond-may-be-closer-than-we-think/

    Uh oh Spectre haters.
    " Add to that a growing number of online voices calling for “Fallout” writer/director Christopher McQuarrie to helm the inevitable 26th entry in the series"

    What??? Virtually nobody wants McQuarrie to helm Bond 26, because everyone knows the great Christopher Nolan would be very willing to direct that film... I HATE JamesBondRadio.

    I prefer McQuarrie over Nolan for Bond 26

    Heck I will take Christopher Cross at least this way sailing takes me away from where I’m going

    I prefer my left nut over Nolan for Bond 26.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    http://jamesbondradio.com/rumor-mill-team-bond-may-be-closer-than-we-think/

    Uh oh Spectre haters.
    " Add to that a growing number of online voices calling for “Fallout” writer/director Christopher McQuarrie to helm the inevitable 26th entry in the series"

    What??? Virtually nobody wants McQuarrie to helm Bond 26, because everyone knows the great Christopher Nolan would be very willing to direct that film... I HATE JamesBondRadio.

    I prefer McQuarrie over Nolan for Bond 26

    Heck I will take Christopher Cross at least this way sailing takes me away from where I’m going

    I prefer my left nut over Nolan for Bond 26.

    Lol I second that.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,582
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    He just looks like someone Craig could snap like a toothpick. I prefer villains who can be more physically imposing and a threat.

    True. But how many Bond villains were actually physically imposing? Dr. No? Goldfinger? Blofeld? Stromberg? More recently, Elliot Carver or Dominic Greene? I don't have problem with a villain who isn't physically intimidating if he is powerful via wealth and/or influence. Malek would be interesting because he'd have that "Jared Kushner" kind of adolescent slimeballishness (a new word I just made up). But that also requires a good henchman.
    Few villains weren't physically imposing, and among those were Stromberg, Drax, Kamal, Koskov and Carver. Dr. No was physically imposing and menacing as he did seem Bond's size. Goldfinger was also physically imposing: Bond's struggle during the climactic fight in the plane said a lot about it. Dominic Greene didn't look it too much in comparison with Craig because back then we knew Craig's Bond as this monstrous assassin hardly anyone could beat. However, Greene isn't too different from Max Zorin. He held himself pretty well against Bond in that fight. Plus, he did have that Peter Lorre-like psychotic and sadistic look, which I'd call somewhat physically imposing, if not too conventionally.

    This Marek chap doesn't look it in any possible way. Sorry to say. I'd rather they get someone like Oscar Isaac.

    Marek would not be my first choice but it depends on the character. I agree that Oscar Isaac would be terrific, as evidenced by his work in Ex Machina.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited December 2018 Posts: 4,582
    Interesting take here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/12/11/lea-seydoux-james-bond-25-daniel-craig-007/#5c641dad28d5

    And note how the writer Mendelson has stolen the "Scooby Gang" moniker. Is he on these boards?
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    People who are against Chris Nolan directing a Bond film either don’t understand Nolan or don’t understand James Bond the character and what the franchise is all about.

  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    People who are against Chris Nolan directing a Bond film either don’t understand Nolan or don’t understand James Bond the character and what the franchise is all about.

    Whether or not I understand the "great" Christopher Nolan isn't the point. I simply don't dig his style or want it anywhere near Bond 25. SF was close enough. Get that through your head Panchy.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    People who are against Chris Nolan directing a Bond film either don’t understand Nolan or don’t understand James Bond the character and what the franchise is all about.

    You yourself have frequently said that you want a Bond film that most Bond fans will hate. Your support of Nolan would indicate that you believe he is the man to deliver this high-art, fan-hated film, and I believe you’re right. His style would seem to bear that out. So why are you surprised that so many fans are against a man who would likely deliver a movie that they would hate?
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,462
    Didn’t he admit to trolling? I just don’t even bother replying usually.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Didn’t he admit to trolling? I just don’t even bother replying usually.

    You're a stronger man than I @FoxRox lol.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,462
    Remington wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Didn’t he admit to trolling? I just don’t even bother replying usually.

    You're a stronger man than I @FoxRox lol.

    It’s all just so absurd that I wouldn’t know where to begin replying to it anyway.
  • TR007TR007
    Posts: 1,165
    TripAces wrote: »
    Interesting take here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/12/11/lea-seydoux-james-bond-25-daniel-craig-007/#5c641dad28d5

    And note how the writer Mendelson has stolen the "Scooby Gang" moniker. Is he on these boards?
    Scooby Gang is a popular term for a protagonist’s team that was coined in the 90’s by Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It didn’t originate on these boards.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    What are the odds the next film has “Scooby gang”. Or do we think they will learn from how it didn’t turn out good last time?
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    @echo
    A few months back, there was a casting of Russian villain, including male and female in brackets. Don't know how anyone else will take it, but it could be that the role is either neutral and will only go to the best suited actor/actress, or there are two villains.

    This drives to the central and crucial point….how much of the Danny Boyle/John Hodge script has been kept?

    At the moment we don’t really know if the villain will be male or female. The Variety articles talks about a ‘mysterious female’ role; this could be a fleeting cameo (like Severine or Lucia Sciarra) or perhaps the lead baddie.

    Otherwise, the three actors rumoured for a villain roles (from Boyle to Fukunaga versions) are Rami Malek, Tomasz Kot and Said Taghmaoui. None of these actors are in the Oscar-winners league we previously had in SF & SP – though Malek looks sets for a nomination this season.

    Are/were all three considered for the same role? We know from Taghmaoui that there was some internal debate at Eon whether they wanted a Middle-Eastern or a Russian character. I suspect Fukunaga decided on Middle Eastern if Malek is the frontrunner.

    Personally, I hope the new Cold War angle hasn’t been dropped – it genuinely had me pumped for Bond 25.

    Also, I’m really down for the Malek casting. He has a terrific look – that jawline, hair and eyes – and his performance in Mr robot has been consistently fantastic. He’s captivating in the same – even if series 2 and 3 weren’t as good as series 1. I’ve yet to see his Freddie Mercury.

    2017-07-gettyimages-800540930-master-1000w.jpg

    He looks like a Bond villain.

    Looks like Peter Lorre.

    Or his 5 year old son.
  • BounineBounine
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,598
    TripAces wrote: »
    Bounine wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The discussion regarding suits is amusing. In this day and age, sadly few people seems to know what a suit actually is. Put on a tweed sports jacket with a tie and people will call that a suit. Put on a navy blazer over business casual attire ( or jeans) and people think that's a suit.


    Bond wears well tailored suits. Period. If he happens to be sporting his best Saville Row gray Mohair suit and a situation occurs that propels him into action, he's not going to stop to put on some sneakers or take off his jacket.

    I do think there are a few films in which more casual attire should have appeared, though. The caviar factory scene in TWINE for instance could have skipped the suit. Had it been Roger, I picture him wearing something similar to the Kristatos warehouse raid in FYEO or the leather blouson in AVTAK.


    Agreed with all of this.

    ****************

    Love this line:

    "...meaning the entirety of the old gang is back together for one last tilt at stopping Spectre from bloody ruining everything for everyone."

    I hope the gang are confined to their offices this time around but that's too much to hope for.

    FWIW, M, Q, and Moneypenny have often been out in the field.

    Yeah but not in pretty much every film. In the good old days, it was few and far between.
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    Bond should work alone, but if he had to team up with a colleague on an assignment surely he’d be paired with another 00, not a secretary.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    People who are against Chris Nolan directing a Bond film either don’t understand Nolan or don’t understand James Bond the character and what the franchise is all about.
    Says the one who never read a Bond novel?
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,843
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    People who are against Chris Nolan directing a Bond film either don’t understand Nolan or don’t understand James Bond the character and what the franchise is all about.

    People who are against Christopher Cross need to ride like the wind
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    People who are against Chris Nolan directing a Bond film either don’t understand Nolan or don’t understand James Bond the character and what the franchise is all about.
    Says the one who never read a Bond novel?

    Hahaha
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited December 2018 Posts: 6,709
    Some people just come across as being somewhere in the autistic spectrum, right? Nothing against that, cause that really isn't a choice. I prefer to analyse some members as such. The alternative diagnose would make me a very angry person all the time ;)
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,843
    Univex wrote: »
    Some people just come across as being somewhere in the autistic spectrum, right? Nothing against that, cause that really isn't a choice. I prefer to analyse some members as such. The alternative diagnose would make me a very angry person all the time ;)

    Easy there let’s not start dragging certain words into this conversation.

    That being said I do find it amusing that some people view their choice of the next bond or next director etc as so obvious that anything else is laughable..

    In spite of all the trends Bond has jumped on I would argue only one time did they ever truely cave to fans and that is with Brosnan but even then it had been what almost a decade since Remington Steele and was the lawnmower man really that memorable... yeah that’s what I thought. The only thing about bond 26 that intrigues me is what if people like Mendes4lyfe and panchito are wrong and we get say

    Christopher McQuarrie is The Director
    Tom Hardy is the 7th actor to play Bond
    And for kicks and giggles

    Bond 26 is Blofeld

    I know I would watch it and judge it based on what was given to me and either like it or dislike it without trying to put preconceived notions in.

    To bring it back to bond 25 it’s why I refuse to watch and of Cary’s earlier work I want him to surprise me I felt with the last two films (especially Spectre) I went in with a lot of preconceived notions true it’s still a mediocre Bond film (and one that annoys me that it gets more slack then Quantum of Solace due to nostalgia glasses) but I wonder if I never heard of Sam Mendes or if I didn’t read the leaks how things would be different.

    The only “notion” I am going into 2019 with is NO S WORD TITLE PLEASE

    I swear I can picture it now that cold spring say in March driving Amanda to work and her watching the press conference and saying

    “I’m sorry babe... Bond 25 is Shatterhand”
    “Nooooooooooooooooooooo”
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    I do like the title 'Shatterhand' but maybe for B26 rather than B25.
    Like @Risico007 I don't want yet another '1 word ' film beginning with 'S'.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I do like the title 'Shatterhand' but maybe for B26 rather than B25.
    Like @Risico007 I don't want yet another '1 word ' film beginning with 'S'.

    I can confirm that Bond 25 title is - Scooby. Trust me, I know.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited December 2018 Posts: 4,408
    royale65 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I do like the title 'Shatterhand' but maybe for B26 rather than B25.
    Like @Risico007 I don't want yet another '1 word ' film beginning with 'S'.

    I can confirm that Bond 25 title is - Scooby. Trust me, I know.

    I don't think they'd go with SHATTERHAND - since 'shat' is slang in the UK which means Twitter will have a field day with the title. Also, why are people being being so high-maintenance about the title beginning with 'S'? Jeez, people find anything to moan about these days.

    If they wanted a YOLT chapter title (presuming that is the angle they're going for) - I always liked SPARROW TEARS.

    Personally, I always liked the title mooted for SF - ONCE UPON A SPY.

    Also, in early September 2018, it seemed as though Lea was hinting she could return. We 'we'll see' comment seems to suggest that Eon had perhaps suggested the possibility was out there if the script went that direction:
    https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/lea-seydoux-wants-return-madeleine-swann-bond-25-thomas-vinterberg-wants-direct-exclusive-133914206.html

    Since Bond and Madeleine were in "love" at the end of SP. I think this might mean that 007 won't have a romantic connection in 25.

    Spectre_Screenshot_2512.jpg
    (Hoyte's cinematography was dreamy)

    I think it be kind of cool if they went down the Unforgiven route and had Bond and Madeleine have a happy ever after, only for her to die of cancer in the opening and Bond to be in a rut (have Lea in dream flashbacks). Which forces a young MI6 agent to force him out for one last mission.

    Bond and the MI6 agent won't have a romantic connection because the spectre of Madeleine (and all the others he couldn't save) lingers over him. See what I did there?

    This thing practically write itself.
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