No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited February 2019 Posts: 9,843
    Sigh at the this rate

    You spin me right round baby
    Right round
    Like a record baby
    Right round

    There is no delay

    Oh and @peter

    The king of Wakanda has a message for you

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  • edited February 2019 Posts: 2,115
    ggl007 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    I know for a fact that these posters are continuing to contact these people with legitimate contacts and will continue to do so. And I suppose they are now sharing any tidbits and morsels they have amongst themselves.
    Right.

    @Archivo_007 for example did claim and does claim to have legitimate connections. He was also the guy who about a year ago said that Nolan is definitely going to direct Bond 25...
    Wrong: https://www.archivo007.com/index.php/noticias/bond-25/2519-bond-25-nolan-la-leyenda-renace

    We have nothing to hide. That was the story and today, knowing the same, we would publish it again. I'll translate just one part:

    It may seem naive or misleading to talk about "probable" or "percentages", but we are talking about the world of cinema and nothing is certain in these times and we do not want to be categorical about affirming something that has not yet been officially confirmed.

    Curiously, nobody quotes that part... :)

    Here's the entire post (translated).

    //Archivo 007 announced in PRIMICIA Y EXCLUSIVA mundial the return of Daniel Craig in Bond 25 last April . In August the actor himself confirmed the news .

    To cite another example, on July 7 we announced in PRIMICIA Y EXCLUSIVA the release of the James Bond figures by Funko Pop. On July 24, during the Comic-Con, the news was officially confirmed .



    Well this December 007 File retakes the name of Christopher Nolan as more than likely director of Bond 25 .

    It may seem naive or misleading to talk about "probable" or "percentages", but we are talking about the world of cinema and nothing is certain in these times and we do not want to be categorical about affirming something that has not yet been officially confirmed.

    The name of Nolan has been recurrent in the bets by its recognized admiration by the Bond series and the sensationalist newspapers usually relate it to Bond each time that it appears in public, like in the opening of its last film.

    However, on this occasion, TWO different sources , one from the United States and the other from the United KingdomThey indicate that Nolan will be the director and that he is already working on the film. These solid sources foresee that the official announcement can be made in January or February 2018 . (emphasis in original post.)

    Recall that in October we announced that Ben Cooke would be the new second unit director and, last month, the name of Tom Struthers appeared as coordinator of specialists.

    Well, Tom Struthers could confirm what we are saying because he has worked with Christopher Nolan in five films, including the last one by the London director, Dunkirk .



    In January we entered the time of awards in the world of cinema and there are several dates to consider for Dunkirk , by Christopher Nolan, or for Film Stars Do not Die in Liverpool , film produced by Barbara Broccoli . (emphasis also in original)

    December 11: Golden Globe nominations.
    January 7: Golden Globes delivery.
    January 9: BAFTA nominations from the British Academy.
    January 23: nominations for the Hollywood Oscars.
    February 18: delivery of the BAFTA.
    March 4: delivery of the Oscars.

    All this may bring up again Christopher Nolan and / or Barbara Broccoli, in relation to the awards and with Bond 25. Hence the possibility of an announcement for January or February.

    We will continue informing.//

    So rather than worry about specific quotes, everyone can judge for themselves.

  • edited February 2019 Posts: 5,767
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Bringing back Waltz as Blofeld Need not be much of a continuation of previous films. Just a damn good film with a damn good villain, if done Right.

    Waltz can not play a different guy in Bond 25. The character was established already, all he can do is play him more or less the same as he did in SP. He can be more angry and have new villainous ideas, but he can't become someone else entirely.

    I'm sorry, but a guy with a facial scar stroking a cat in a Mao suit, trying to control the world, does not work in the 21st century. It's a caricature. Not to mention the foster brother thing.
    But the Producers have all the possibilities in the world where to go with Blofeld. Fleming´s novels haven´t been gone to at all. SP did such a lousy Job at "establishing" that Waltz could Play him any way he wanted to and it would be ok. I´m not saying Blofeld has to be in this film at any cost, but all they would Need to do in B25 is have Waltz give a great Performance with great material, and no one from the audience would even think much wether he differs much from his character in SP or not.
    The guy with a scar in a Mao suit stroking the cat has Nothing to do with literary Blofeld. The recent films have made a Point of going back to the novels. And Blofeld is the biggest unexploited Thing from the novels. And he is Pretty timeless.

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    Blofeld's personality can be played any way they choose.
    He killed his own father as child so he is a seriously unhinged individual.

    Waltz can go to town and have fun with Blofeld,now Mendes is out of the way,thank God.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Also Waltz went on record saying that he was not happy with his work In Spectre, but at the same time said that he would love to return especially if Craig was still involved. So my take away from that is that he wants a chance to do a better job and improve the role.

    Making him more unhinged would be a good direction to go in, now that he is partly driven by revenge but also known to the world.

    That last look he gives Bond and Madeline on the Bridge speaks volumes.
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    He doesn't have to be unhinged but it would be nice if he were intelligent. In the current context I find it hard to believe that Greene White or Silva would answer to him when each of them are more intelligent, diabolical and monstrous.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    FourDot wrote: »
    He doesn't have to be unhinged but it would be nice if he were intelligent. In the current context I find it hard to believe that Greene White or Silva would answer to him when each of them are more intelligent, diabolical and monstrous.

    I wouldn't be so sure about Greene. He hired MI6Community's fan-favorite Elvis as a henchman. If @TheWizardOfIce was still here, he could write a novel about this legend. ;)
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 19,339
    FourDot wrote: »
    He doesn't have to be unhinged but it would be nice if he were intelligent. In the current context I find it hard to believe that Greene White or Silva would answer to him when each of them are more intelligent, diabolical and monstrous.

    Exactly...we need to see the 'other' side of Blofeld,the evil creature behind the mask that kept Greene and White on their toes, because they knew what he could do.
    FourDot wrote: »
    He doesn't have to be unhinged but it would be nice if he were intelligent. In the current context I find it hard to believe that Greene White or Silva would answer to him when each of them are more intelligent, diabolical and monstrous.

    I wouldn't be so sure about Greene. He hired MI6Community's fan-favorite Elvis as a henchman. If @TheWizardOfIce was still here, he could write a novel about this legend. ;)

    I love Greene,an under-rated villain imo.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    FourDot wrote: »
    He doesn't have to be unhinged but it would be nice if he were intelligent. In the current context I find it hard to believe that Greene White or Silva would answer to him when each of them are more intelligent, diabolical and monstrous.

    Couldn’t disagree more. The fact that Blofeld killed his dad just because he felt betrayed by him since he became closer to another boy (better than him in everything), hired Silva because he wanted to use his anger towards M in order to punish Bond, paved the way to Bond and Madeleine love relationship (“the things that bring people together”) in order to add pain to their death speaks loud of how twisted, psychotic, diabolical and creepy this guy is.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    From the Daily Mail:

    "Of course, this claim is unconfirmed by EON productions, so it’s possible Sandgren was mistaken."

    I'd go a step further and suggest a few things:

    1/if there was a delay, Baz would have know about it and would have commented last night. And when questioned about any news yesterday he admitted "not tonight";

    2/if there is a delay we will know shortly when media do their jobs and verify the quote, and someone will confirm or deny sooner or later (media will snare a producer, or DC or CF... But right now my gut feeling is the main players are hunkered down at Pinewood putting the finishing touches on pre-production and schedules and the like...)

    3/as I said to a few posters, and (goes without saying), as per speculation on my part: a misquote could have easily happened in this instance-- we have no context of how the question was asked and answered. Were they sitting at a table and chatting (if so, why no further follow up). This sounds like there was a very quick exchange between the two. If so, could Sangren have said something like "we're starting in Italy in April" and the quote was misunderstood as principal was starting in April?

    With quick quotes and tweets, human error in passing and fleeting moments is a reasonable assumption (especially when there's been no one to verify the quote in question (someone like Baz, as some suggest, would put this to bed, and, to repeat, he has nothing).

    Pure speculation as well, I think the bigger issue for this production is filling the role of the lead villain and getting Malek on board. This idea that he's being sought after has gone very, very quiet. But, like the above, sooner or later, with the award season in full swing, Malek will be bombarded with the question: is he in the next Bond film.

    And sooner or later, something will have to give (no more sighs and stalls)-- an admission that either he is in or out is right around the corner (I want to put money on that he is in-- but that is a guess on my part).



  • peter wrote: »
    From the Daily Mail:

    "Of course, this claim is unconfirmed by EON productions, so it’s possible Sandgren was mistaken."

    This quote is not from from the Daily Mail - but the Daily Express.

    The Daily Mail has a lot more cache than the Express - regardless of what you think of their politics. Their website is one of the most visited on the web internationally (mainly due to their extensive celebrity reporting). Plus, Baz reports for them. So they are very reliable for Bond news.

    The Express are a bottom-feeding clickbait outlet. Who run articles on any nonsense. I'm convinced that the journalist is a member here or stalks the forum. They regularly report anything on Bond 25. Case in point:

    https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/956653/James-Bond-25-plot-Logan-Hugh-Jackman-Daniel-Craig

    Basically, don't bother trusting or quoting them.

    I understand that there is a lot of evidence that Bond 25 will begin filming on March 4th 2019. However it is undeniable that, wishful thinking aside, the most up-to-date filming commencement date is April 2019. That comes directly from Linus Sandgren. Who isn't a journalist for a spurious outlet with a clickbait agenda - but the film's cinematographer.

    Considering all the evidence we have (and leaving speculation aside), rational logic dictates that the date has been pushed by a month to April 2019.

    We can all agree to that? Right? That is our current position, until we hear anything else. We can freely speculate but the facts are the facts.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    This is getting annoying...
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    Very.
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    matt_u wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    He doesn't have to be unhinged but it would be nice if he were intelligent. In the current context I find it hard to believe that Greene White or Silva would answer to him when each of them are more intelligent, diabolical and monstrous.

    Couldn’t disagree more. The fact that Blofeld killed his dad just because he felt betrayed by him since he became closer to another boy (better than him in everything), hired Silva because he wanted to use his anger towards M in order to punish Bond, paved the way to Bond and Madeleine love relationship (“the things that bring people together”) in order to add pain to their death speaks loud of how twisted, psychotic, diabolical and creepy this guy is.

    It would have been nice if some of that had survived to the shooting script. As it turns out his gambit is a rather limp surveillance network that seems extraneous given the omnipotence of his retconned efforts across the Craig era, and a funhouse trap for Bond that doesn't even have the work ethic of Nic Nac's mannequins, instead relying on a set of production stills presumably theived from the EoN office.

    I get what you're saying of course but the film doesn't realise those elements of the character in action, in the way that say Skyfall builds and builds from Silva's psychotic rage and makes his phyrric victory earned. Instead it hedges its bets and strands Waltz in no man's land.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Imagine, the thoughts of a new film from a series I love coming out used to fill the heart with a lot of joy and excitement.

    Then there's this thread. Sigh.
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    We live in a poorer world now.
  • RC7RC7
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    Also, look at SF.....that movie hasn't aged well by way of retaining its fan status in the contrary way QoS increased its own. It's completely cut off, one-off and felt like it flipped off the potential of what could have been a modern thriller. Instead it was a remake of Home Alone with CGI, gadgets, and hacking to be used as a lazy plot advancement device while going back to the old series timeline associated with the films up to DAD, which is a movie that even the writers distanced themselves from at a Q&A once.

    Hasn’t aged well? It’s a pivotal film in the canon, the absolute opposite of QoS. This myth of QoS rising like a phoenix from the ashes is wishful thinking on the part of a select few. All that has happened is that some fans have re-assessed it and shifted it from, ‘disappointing’ to ‘fair to good’. SF is unique. QoS is Bourne-lite. History will show that.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Also, look at SF.....that movie hasn't aged well by way of retaining its fan status in the contrary way QoS increased its own. It's completely cut off, one-off and felt like it flipped off the potential of what could have been a modern thriller. Instead it was a remake of Home Alone with CGI, gadgets, and hacking to be used as a lazy plot advancement device while going back to the old series timeline associated with the films up to DAD, which is a movie that even the writers distanced themselves from at a Q&A once.

    Hasn’t aged well? It’s a pivotal film in the canon, the absolute opposite of QoS. This myth of QoS rising like a phoenix from the ashes is wishful thinking on the part of a select few. All that has happened is that some fans have re-assessed it and shifted it from, ‘disappointing’ to ‘fair to good’. SF is unique. QoS is Bourne-lite. History will show that.

    While I don’t agree I Understand your point of view

    However I always had issues from day one it’s just not that good sorry I know many here like it and I put it 13 or 14 in my overall ranking.

    I think my main issue if I had to sight one thing it’s that in much the same way shows in their later seasons have back door pilots to spinoffs that’s what this film feels like a back door pilot to M the series... plus Bond fails miserably through out the film.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    For me SF is one of the most re-watchable of the series; I’ve also come to appreciate QoS greatly. Ideally there would have been a film, with Bond in his prime, between the two.
    Concerning SF, The plausibility of Silva’s plan could have been tightened a bit and I would have eliminated age as an issue and focused on disillusionment.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,970
    Risico007 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Also, look at SF.....that movie hasn't aged well by way of retaining its fan status in the contrary way QoS increased its own. It's completely cut off, one-off and felt like it flipped off the potential of what could have been a modern thriller. Instead it was a remake of Home Alone with CGI, gadgets, and hacking to be used as a lazy plot advancement device while going back to the old series timeline associated with the films up to DAD, which is a movie that even the writers distanced themselves from at a Q&A once.

    Hasn’t aged well? It’s a pivotal film in the canon, the absolute opposite of QoS. This myth of QoS rising like a phoenix from the ashes is wishful thinking on the part of a select few. All that has happened is that some fans have re-assessed it and shifted it from, ‘disappointing’ to ‘fair to good’. SF is unique. QoS is Bourne-lite. History will show that.

    While I don’t agree I Understand your point of view

    However I always had issues from day one it’s just not that good sorry I know many here like it and I put it 13 or 14 in my overall ranking.

    I think my main issue if I had to sight one thing it’s that in much the same way shows in their later seasons have back door pilots to spinoffs that’s what this film feels like a back door pilot to M the series... plus Bond fails miserably through out the film.

    @Risico007 While I respect your opinion, I'd have to disagree. It's probably the most well-written James Bond film out there, while Casino Royale could be considered the best for its tone, acting and story, Skyfall has the best writing, cinematography and fits more within the James Bond scope.

    I find it hard to believe that people could possibly rank this film lower than some of Roger Moore's entries. As for your comments regarding spin-offs, I don't see that, they were just trying to re-introduce important characters into the series without it feeling like a gimic. They were characters, not tropes. Admittedly, the Moneypenny reveal at the end was completely off but I think it would have been weirder if we knew she was Moneypenny from the beginning.

    Also, James Bond fails throughout the film because of good writing and realistic characterisation. I don't think he fails at all. He captures Silva, stops him from killing M in front of her superiors, kills most, if not all, of his men and then manages to kill Silva before he can get the satisfaction of seeing M die. For all Silva knows, he died and she survived. It's the same reason I can't stand Rey as a character in the Star Wars franchise. She never fails. She is the definiton of a Mary-Sue and the same rule applies to Bond. If Bond didn't fail in Skyfall, there wouldn't be a film.

    But again this is just my opinion, and you can dislike the film as much as you please haha :D
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Also, look at SF.....that movie hasn't aged well by way of retaining its fan status in the contrary way QoS increased its own. It's completely cut off, one-off and felt like it flipped off the potential of what could have been a modern thriller. Instead it was a remake of Home Alone with CGI, gadgets, and hacking to be used as a lazy plot advancement device while going back to the old series timeline associated with the films up to DAD, which is a movie that even the writers distanced themselves from at a Q&A once.

    Hasn’t aged well? It’s a pivotal film in the canon, the absolute opposite of QoS. This myth of QoS rising like a phoenix from the ashes is wishful thinking on the part of a select few. All that has happened is that some fans have re-assessed it and shifted it from, ‘disappointing’ to ‘fair to good’. SF is unique. QoS is Bourne-lite. History will show that.

    While I don’t agree I Understand your point of view

    However I always had issues from day one it’s just not that good sorry I know many here like it and I put it 13 or 14 in my overall ranking.

    I think my main issue if I had to sight one thing it’s that in much the same way shows in their later seasons have back door pilots to spinoffs that’s what this film feels like a back door pilot to M the series... plus Bond fails miserably through out the film.

    @Risico007 While I respect your opinion, I'd have to disagree. It's probably the most well-written James Bond film out there, while Casino Royale could be considered the best for its tone, acting and story, Skyfall has the best writing, cinematography and fits more within the James Bond scope.

    I find it hard to believe that people could possibly rank this film lower than some of Roger Moore's entries. As for your comments regarding spin-offs, I don't see that, they were just trying to re-introduce important characters into the series without it feeling like a gimic. They were characters, not tropes. Admittedly, the Moneypenny reveal at the end was completely off but I think it would have been weirder if we knew she was Moneypenny from the beginning.

    Also, James Bond fails throughout the film because of good writing and realistic characterisation. I don't think he fails at all. He captures Silva, stops him from killing M in front of her superiors, kills most, if not all, of his men and then manages to kill Silva before he can get the satisfaction of seeing M die. For all Silva knows, he died and she survived. It's the same reason I can't stand Rey as a character in the Star Wars franchise. She never fails. She is the definiton of a Mary-Sue and the same rule applies to Bond. If Bond didn't fail in Skyfall, there wouldn't be a film.

    But again this is just my opinion, and you can dislike the film as much as you please haha :D

    Hey I don’t put it next to Diamonds are forever or Moonraker at least lol
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    I'm genuinely sad for Bond fans who didn't enjoy Skyfall. (Not being facetious). Such pivotal, landmark event for me, both as a Bond fan and a person. I wish all Bond fans could take the joy from it I did, and I say that as an ardent David Arnold fan! :)

    I'm with @RC7 in that I consider it a pivotal, top-tier Bond, in the realm along with GF, FRWL, CR and OHMSS. It's so thoughtful, nuanced and utterly appreciative of its own context in the larger Bond lexicon. Just the perfect film, for me, at the perfect time. And for my money, it's every bit as bold and risky as Casino Royale. Very much cut from the same cloth, in terms of ambition—in a very philosophical way, that I hope Bond 25 follows. And I suspect it will.

    It's been an interesting discussion over the years. I've heard the SF criticisms, and would even grant many of them. Certainly. To each their own. But that film means too much for me personally, for reasons I won't bother you all with here, to ever be convinced it's anything less than a landmark masterpiece in the series.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Also, look at SF.....that movie hasn't aged well by way of retaining its fan status in the contrary way QoS increased its own. It's completely cut off, one-off and felt like it flipped off the potential of what could have been a modern thriller. Instead it was a remake of Home Alone with CGI, gadgets, and hacking to be used as a lazy plot advancement device while going back to the old series timeline associated with the films up to DAD, which is a movie that even the writers distanced themselves from at a Q&A once.

    Hasn’t aged well? It’s a pivotal film in the canon, the absolute opposite of QoS. This myth of QoS rising like a phoenix from the ashes is wishful thinking on the part of a select few. All that has happened is that some fans have re-assessed it and shifted it from, ‘disappointing’ to ‘fair to good’. SF is unique. QoS is Bourne-lite. History will show that.

    While I don’t agree I Understand your point of view

    However I always had issues from day one it’s just not that good sorry I know many here like it and I put it 13 or 14 in my overall ranking.

    I think my main issue if I had to sight one thing it’s that in much the same way shows in their later seasons have back door pilots to spinoffs that’s what this film feels like a back door pilot to M the series... plus Bond fails miserably through out the film.

    @Risico007 While I respect your opinion, I'd have to disagree. It's probably the most well-written James Bond film out there, while Casino Royale could be considered the best for its tone, acting and story, Skyfall has the best writing, cinematography and fits more within the James Bond scope.

    I find it hard to believe that people could possibly rank this film lower than some of Roger Moore's entries. As for your comments regarding spin-offs, I don't see that, they were just trying to re-introduce important characters into the series without it feeling like a gimic. They were characters, not tropes. Admittedly, the Moneypenny reveal at the end was completely off but I think it would have been weirder if we knew she was Moneypenny from the beginning.

    Also, James Bond fails throughout the film because of good writing and realistic characterisation. I don't think he fails at all. He captures Silva, stops him from killing M in front of her superiors, kills most, if not all, of his men and then manages to kill Silva before he can get the satisfaction of seeing M die. For all Silva knows, he died and she survived. It's the same reason I can't stand Rey as a character in the Star Wars franchise. She never fails. She is the definiton of a Mary-Sue and the same rule applies to Bond. If Bond didn't fail in Skyfall, there wouldn't be a film.

    But again this is just my opinion, and you can dislike the film as much as you please haha :D

    I rank Skyfall very high and its clearly the Goldfinger of Craig's tenure... but I have to say CR was written far better. Far better. All the "Silva's plan years in the making" is just BAD, plus the way the movie consistently tries to remember us that "the old ways work better" is really really really tedious.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.
    QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.

    LOL.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.

    That is not controversial at all and Qos does not even to work itself in a sweat to accomplish that. ;)
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    QOS and SPECTRE are both half-baked. Each have some beautiful scenes, but on the whole are weak. Let's hope Bond 25 restores the balance. Skyfall and Casino Royale are both home runs.

    Given the preproduction process for both films and how they turned out...QoS is a masterpiece compared to the absolute rubbish that is SP.

    I agree. QoS was wrecked by the Writers Strike, Spectre doesn’t really have an excuse.
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