No Time To Die: Production Diary

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    But it gives EON a place to start
    Yeah, 1 or 2 months before the start of filming is an excellent time to start turning P&W's basic Bond story into a decent script!

    agreed... :D
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    No ... it started last year. But the writer now has something to work with. But you know that.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
  • Posts: 9,846
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?

    Danny Boyle's Bond 25
    or

    Christopher Nolan's Bond 26

    both are fantastic from what I hear
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
    I don't have a single favourite. My top 5 in chronological order: DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
    I don't have a single favourite. My top 5 in chronological order: DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF
    Some good choices there, not too distant from my own :) I just wanted to ask because do you really distrust Purvis and Wade that much? Seeing as they laid the groundwork for two of your favourite films?
  • RC7RC7
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
    I don't have a single favourite. My top 5 in chronological order: DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF
    Some good choices there, not too distant from my own :) I just wanted to ask because do you really distrust Purvis and Wade that much? Seeing as they laid the groundwork for two of your favourite films?

    Oh, this is good.
  • Yes, for even longtime fans I wonder how they so easily welcomed Bond films to 2002 then took on so much scrutiny toward the latest film productions and eventual release of the new mission. A very sensitive approach to it all, even before it's made as you said.
    What do you mean, though? Do you mean reaction on how the production is handled?

    Because from what I've gathered even the some of the oldest Bond movies have their detractors. And with the Craig era having two big fan favorite entries, I don't see how he gets a worse rap than Brosnan or Dalton.

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    In exactly 2 weeks filming will begin at Pinewood Studios.



    Oh wait. A script doctor is currently rewriting the whole damn thing.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,619
    RC7 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
    I don't have a single favourite. My top 5 in chronological order: DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF
    Some good choices there, not too distant from my own :) I just wanted to ask because do you really distrust Purvis and Wade that much? Seeing as they laid the groundwork for two of your favourite films?

    Oh, this is good.
    Purvis and Wade did not lay the groundwork for CR, Ian Fleming did. As for SF, the only reason it's excellent is the great Sam Mendes and the people he managed to get on board (mainly the great Thomas Newman and the GREAT Roger Deakins).

    Also, it's not that I distrust P&W. It's that I KNOW they are awful writers.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Remington wrote: »
    A movie about Bond being imprisoned and possibly dying? No thanks.

    where you get that from? @Remington
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    matt_u wrote: »
    In exactly 2 weeks filming will begin at Pinewood Studios.



    Oh wait. A script doctor is currently rewriting the whole damn thing.

    its got to be just a polish
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I think QOS and SP had plenty of problems. Even SF. They just pushed on through.

    The writing on these films has been a shambles for years to be honest.

    And that seems to be the root of the problem. They just can't nail a good script. Hardly surprising when they use a writing team like P+W.

    I'm not holding my breath that Fukunaga stays. In a way I'd prefer a Ron Howard type character right now. Workmanlike safe pair of hands. Someone who knows movies inside out and tells a good story.

    See, this is what I don't get; why do EoN keep going back to Purvis and Wade? Why? They know Fleming? Who gives a crap? They're not the only screen writers who do and more importantly tgeyre not terribly good writers to begin with.a screen writer doesn't need to be a Fleming purist in order to 'get Bond or to write a great Bond script. EoN have consistently wasted time, money and resources keeping these guys around instead of taking real time out to find the right people for the job. The one time they did (John Logan) was on the back of the success of SF and they got complacent and dropped the ball leaving Logan unattended for months before it was too late and they found themselves inn the midst of the infamous preproduction debacle of what came to be imo the worst Bond film in the series.

    With Boyle, I still don't understand wth happened there. Before hiring him surely EoN would have heard a pitch of some sort of where the story would go; long story short, Boyle is off the project after months of preproduction and shortly before filming was supposed to begin. Look, people can say what they like about Marvel and more often than not, the criticisms placed at Marvel are misguided when it comes to their output and volume but Kevin Feige does his flippin' job. He produces and carefully oversees the projects under his remit. It's not just 1 IP he's producing, he's juggling multiple IPs with different directors, writers etc and he gets the job done...and this isnt about source material either because tge films rarely if ever come anywhere closecto adapting storylines from the comics. Furthermore, this was before Disney's acquisition of little Marvel Studios; so why is it that EoN, OGs inbthe industry are proving more and more incapable to effectively do their damn job and get things off the ground with the right foot? Overhauling the script at this stage after 4 years is a joke. I don't care what article in defence of this outrageous set of circumstances says, this whole process has been a joke. Unfortunate but a joke nonetheless. Just like with every Bond film I really hope Bond 25 turns out great but I have to say, I'm disappointed and unimpressed with the way EoN have carried on for a number of years now, especially when the final products delivered have been huge disappointments.

    Huge disappoints for you and some others, I hate SP but it made a bag load of money and as for SF, I know you don't like but disappointing???

    I'm sorry you are letting your own opinion inform what is disappointing and SF in the big scheme is far from that.

    Even QOS for all its problems didn't flop and as for CR well that kicked off the whole era in such style

    You don't like it fine like I hate SP but I would be being ridiculous to suggest that these 4 films have been a disaster, not one of them hasn't made their money back.

    By that logic I can call all comic book films disappointing as with the odd exception they leave me cold and don't entertain me at all.

    You are clearly wanting EON to sell the licence off to someone else, well I think you might find that the brand would be diluted beyond belief and at the expense of you wanting a Bond film more often. We'll see this 57 year old film series, which is unprecedented loosing its identity and event status pretty quick.

    No big studio will buy this up just to make an entry every 2 - 3 years and that is it. They'll milk it for all its worth and just like with Star Wars and the comic book genre these films won't feel special any more, just expected and pretty damn formulaic at that.

    I agree. Marvel films leave me completely cold, as do the new Star Wars films.

    I don't like Eon's delays either but I don't want Bond to get the Marvel treatment. Bond should feel like an event.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,619
    @matt_u If you ask certain members of this forum, filming WILL begin in just 2 weeks.
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
    I don't have a single favourite. My top 5 in chronological order: DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF

    3/5 produced by Babs tho
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    FourDot wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
    I don't have a single favourite. My top 5 in chronological order: DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF

    3/5 produced by Babs tho

    Yeah! that talentless hack.
  • Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
    I don't have a single favourite. My top 5 in chronological order: DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF
    This is a very good list I must admit. 4/5 of those are my favorites.

    I think the issue beyond any problems P+W have, is the fact that they've worked on this for too long, there should be some variety to add freshness to the proceedings.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Yes, for even longtime fans I wonder how they so easily welcomed Bond films to 2002 then took on so much scrutiny toward the latest film productions and eventual release of the new mission. A very sensitive approach to it all, even before it's made as you said.
    What do you mean, though? Do you mean reaction on how the production is handled?

    Because from what I've gathered even the some of the oldest Bond movies have their detractors. And with the Craig era having two big fan favorite entries, I don't see how he gets a worse rap than Brosnan or Dalton.
    I'm saying for films 1-20 longtime viewers have their favorites (and non-favorites, sure) and they likely accept VERY DIVERSE content in those. A different standard is applied to films 2006 and after, in part due to the different tone started in Casino Royale but it's a wholesale change for how the latest film is evaluated. A different standard.

    Then there's the reaction to the ongoing production details as well. To many items that can't be confirmed as real anyway.

    But I'm at a disadvantage here, I like or love films 1-24. Craig Bond is top shelf across all four missions.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,970
    RC7 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @PanchitoPistoles, what's your favourite James Bond film?
    I don't have a single favourite. My top 5 in chronological order: DN, OHMSS, GE, CR, SF
    Some good choices there, not too distant from my own :) I just wanted to ask because do you really distrust Purvis and Wade that much? Seeing as they laid the groundwork for two of your favourite films?

    Oh, this is good.
    Purvis and Wade did not lay the groundwork for CR, Ian Fleming did. As for SF, the only reason it's excellent is the great Sam Mendes and the people he managed to get on board (mainly the great Thomas Newman and the GREAT Roger Deakins).

    Also, it's not that I distrust P&W. It's that I KNOW they are awful writers.

    Ok, you're right in some respects, Ian Fleming did lay the groundwork for CR, but think about everything else they gave us. The film didn't start and end with the book adaptation. The first hour of the film is their own creation, with Haggis pitching in on dialogue and scenes between Bond and Vesper. They also gave us the third-act in Venice, which turned a small (honestly quite boring) portion of the book and turned it into a powerful and thematical action sequence. I could be wrong, but CR isn't one of your favourites just because it's an adaptation of the book, it's because its a well thought-out and well-written adaptation of the book.

    As for Skyfall, yes, Mendes had a vision, but these two writers executed that for him. I love the cinematography but the film doesn't end there. The script is clever and witty, with great thematic content, with Logan pitching in to help with character and dialogue like Haggis did.

    Although, we can't give Logan too much credit for Spectre because he essentially stalled production with weak drafts. I know what we got wasn't great, but they had to do something. It's just unfortunate Spectre was what we got, but I think that was product of wasted time and Mendes' lack of interest in this particular adventure.

    So, I think I'd have to disagree. They're not awful writers. Yes, they need help but most writers do these days. It takes a lot of work to get things right, and please don't think I'm trying to shove my agenda down your throat because I'm not, I'm just trying to stay positive about a franchise that I love and about people involved that I still trust to get it right. Who knows? Bond 25 may be crap, but so far, I've had no evidence whatsover to support that.
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    Skyfall had a lot of work outside purvis and wade Mendes put that film together and presented it to Barbara I believe.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 386
    This thread has been entertaining, but I can't muster the same energy for a film that isn't close to being fully baked yet.

    I will, though, contribute the broader observation that later entries in any one actor's Bond canon can be difficult. History tells us that YOLT, DAF, AVTAK and DAD creak under the jaded weight (sometimes literally) of the man of the suit.

    Q said it best - never let them see you bleed and always have an escape plan.

    Craig's tenure has been a success. Not matter what you think of QoS, SF or SP, that is the ONLY way the film industry will look at it. The last two made serious, serious bank.

    However, Craig's somewhat disjointed narrative arc has put B25 in a precarious position. Such dramatic, some may say turgid, depths have been plumbed in the other movies that B25 has quite the Houdini act to achieve if he wants to go out on a "high".

    Personally, I think it is the legacy of over-arching narrative failure that has:

    - compromised Craig's motivation to return one last time

    - doomed Danny Boyle's involvement

    - contributed to ongoing tension around the shooting script

    Hopefully I am not succumbing to hyperbole when I posit that the margin for error with B25 is slim.

    Still, I am excited every time Craig walks on screen and I very much look forward to what awaits us. Easy to forget that he is a wonderful actor and has absolutely nailed the role.

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    Well rehearsals are still going on so I presume not too much has changed
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Well rehearsals are still going on so I presume not too much has changed
    Imagine being a location scout or stunt person right now. Enjoying your job, thinking about how you're going to make the best film ever, and meanwhile, down here all hell is breaking lose :D
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Remington wrote: »
    A movie about Bond being imprisoned and possibly dying? No thanks.

    where you get that from? @Remington

    @007Blofeld https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-25-new-writer-to-overhaul-shooting-script?id=04454
  • Posts: 9,846
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Well rehearsals are still going on so I presume not too much has changed
    Imagine being a location scout or stunt person right now. Enjoying your job, thinking about how you're going to make the best film ever, and meanwhile, down here all hell is breaking lose :D
    There is much Risico in this business
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    What I don't understand is how production is supposed to head to Italy in early April if they intended to based at Pinewood for a month before going on location.

    I wouldn't be surprised if there is already some second unit footage in the can.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised if there is already some second unit footage in the can.
    If that’s true then Burns’ hands are even more tied than I thought they were. Yikes!
  • Fukunaga has stopped following a load of people on Instagram. Maybe his new ex-colleagues.

    Maybe the Scott Z Burns news is something he didn’t sign on for. If that’s the case, Eon will probably announce tomorrow CJF is off the project.

    It’s going to be an interesting week...
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised if there is already some second unit footage in the can.
    If that’s true then Burns’ hands are even more tied than I thought they were. Yikes!
    I'm talking about some vague establishing shots. It's not at all unheard of for the second unit to film certain shots ahead of official kick-off. Quantum had the Palio scenes, Skyfall had the aerial shots of Shanghai, and SP had aerial shots of the train in Morocco.
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    We should've known something was up in January when fukunaga said there was still time to fit in waltz or other characters
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