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  • RC7RC7
    edited March 2019 Posts: 10,512
    The criticism stems from the fact that EON was given plenty of time to create a competent script.

    Herein lies the issue. Who exactly has ‘given them plenty of time’, you? EON work to their own schedule, you should be used to that by now. You’ve come to the wrong franchise if not.
    NicNac wrote: »
    The point I was making was that there are greater forces at work now that probably contribute to the delays we have between films.
    The script has had re-writes, yes. But so many Bond films have had them. We are just more aware of it now, because of the internet age.

    We are so much aware of everything now that are unable to enjoy ourselves. We become judges, not spectators. And we are already slamming a movie a year before its release when we don't know the title, the plot or the cast. Hell, we've been thinking of the seventh Bond since at least 2008 where nothing indicated Craig was leaving.

    In this year Bond 25, everyone has plenty of time to discover (or re-read) Fleming, Amis, Gardner and Benson, rewatch the old movies, etc. Back in the 1970s or 1980s, two years was a hell of a time to wait for Bond and all we knew was thanks to newspapers or TV. We had to wait for a film to be rescreened, shown on TV and home video was expensive. Now we have control of those things and we can pick the day where we want to watch a Bond film or read a Bond novel.

    Excellent point, Sir. The 21st Century: Rise of the Narcissists.
  • Posts: 831
    RC7 wrote: »

    Excellent point, Sir. The 21st Century: Rise of the Narcissists.

    +100000000.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited March 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Excellent point, and don't forget all the Bond comics from Dynamite that have been released since 2015. Great stuff.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,603
    00Agent wrote: »
    Excellent point, and don't forget all the Bond comics from Dynamite that have been released since 2015. Great stuff.

    Thank you for mentioning Dynamite comics. They are great!
  • Posts: 9,843
    NicNac wrote: »
    The point I was making was that there are greater forces at work now that probably contribute to the delays we have between films.
    The script has had re-writes, yes. But so many Bond films have had them. We are just more aware of it now, because of the internet age.

    We are so much aware of everything now that are unable to enjoy ourselves. We become judges, not spectators. And we are already slamming a movie a year before its release when we don't know the title, the plot or the cast. Hell, we've been thinking of the seventh Bond since at least 2008 where nothing indicated Craig was leaving.

    In this year Bond 25, everyone has plenty of time to discover (or re-read) Fleming, Amis, Gardner and Benson, rewatch the old movies, etc. Back in the 1970s or 1980s, two years was a hell of a time to wait for Bond and all we knew was thanks to newspapers or TV. We had to wait for a film to be rescreened, shown on TV and home video was expensive. Now we have control of those things and we can pick the day where we want to watch a Bond film or read a Bond novel.

    Don't forget Replaying or in my case playing the game I didn't play the first time around
  • Posts: 1,092
    With so much unused Fleming material there is no excuse not to have a quality idea for a Bond film. They should be able to come up with something and have people working behind the scenes on the next film regardless of the business situation going on in regards to distribution or whatever. EON has gotten lazy and complacent. Sure, cinema has changed but so what? What other excuse will people come up with next?

    Seriously, I love this series but the last ten+ years have been an absolute mess. Marvel is killing it and they crank out film after film each year, nearly all of which are stronger than every single Bond film released in the last 24 years (with the exception of CR and SF). My opinion, sure, but the average Rotten Tomato score for Marvel films is around 84%, with a massive 21 films released thus far in only 11 years. The last 8 Bond films (being completed over a 20 year period) have averaged 70%. Bond doesn't have to come every 2 years. But when 25 comes out it will be a paltry 5 films in 14 years. Marvel will have close to 25 films by then, in about 1/5th the time.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 628
    NicNac wrote: »
    We have to accept that now, with the action film market so buoyant a character like Bond could become irrelevant if they force films out every 2-3 years. Bond films have always been an event, but if they made them every two years now it wouldn't be an event in the slightest. And that is due to competition.

    I believe the opposite, actually -- that the films would be even more successful if they came out on a regular 2-3 year schedule. Part of the charm of the series was its consistent release schedule. The fans could expect a new film by a certain time.

    Deep down EON must understand that, too, which is why as recently as QOS they were hitting that 2 year goal. I think they could still do it if they got the same director and writer(s) to commit to a few films and worked hard at planning the next film while the current one is in production.

    Even if one of the films ended up a failure, we'd only have to wait a couple of years for the next one, which is better than waiting 5 years for a piece of garbage.
  • Posts: 9,843
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    With so much unused Fleming material there is no excuse not to have a quality idea for a Bond film. They should be able to come up with something and have people working behind the scenes on the next film regardless of the business situation going on in regards to distribution or whatever. EON has gotten lazy and complacent. Sure, cinema has changed but so what? What other excuse will people come up with next?

    Seriously, I love this series but the last ten+ years have been an absolute mess. Marvel is killing it and they crank out film after film each year, nearly all of which are stronger than every single Bond film released in the last 24 years (with the exception of CR and SF). My opinion, sure, but the average Rotten Tomato score for Marvel films is around 84%, with a massive 21 films released thus far in only 11 years. The last 8 Bond films (being completed over a 20 year period) have averaged 70%. Bond doesn't have to come every 2 years. But when 25 comes out it will be a paltry 5 films in 14 years. Marvel will have close to 25 films by then, in about 1/5th the time.


    Each with its own set of directors producers writers and cast again unless you want a Bond cinematic universe (which would suck) we aren't going to get that kind of output
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 2019 Posts: 5,970
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    With so much unused Fleming material there is no excuse not to have a quality idea for a Bond film. They should be able to come up with something and have people working behind the scenes on the next film regardless of the business situation going on in regards to distribution or whatever. EON has gotten lazy and complacent. Sure, cinema has changed but so what? What other excuse will people come up with next?

    Seriously, I love this series but the last ten+ years have been an absolute mess. Marvel is killing it and they crank out film after film each year, nearly all of which are stronger than every single Bond film released in the last 24 years (with the exception of CR and SF). My opinion, sure, but the average Rotten Tomato score for Marvel films is around 84%, with a massive 21 films released thus far in only 11 years. The last 8 Bond films (being completed over a 20 year period) have averaged 70%. Bond doesn't have to come every 2 years. But when 25 comes out it will be a paltry 5 films in 14 years. Marvel will have close to 25 films by then, in about 1/5th the time.
    But it’s a lot easier for Marvel to do this because they can introduce character after character, story after story because they have a huge amount of stories to draw from and they can introduce “new” characters and stories because the ground work has already been laid out for them. Also to mention that it’s also much easier to create plots and characters built around superpowers and magic because it pretty much solves any chance of realistic plot holes.

    Remember when people thought Skyfall was bad because Silva’s plan didn’t make sense and was convoluted, it would’ve been solved with superpower/magic but it doesn’t because despite some exceptions (DAD), James Bond keeps itself grounded in reality which makes the scriptwriting process a lot more difficult than writing a Marvel film, plus Marvel also has so many different projects they can get different people to work on the projects at the same time. Bond can’t do this. It’s one man with one film at a time, with all the focus on the one project. I understand the success of Marvel but it works extremely differently to how the James Bond franchise could ever work.
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
    Posts: 544
    Risico007 wrote: »
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    With so much unused Fleming material there is no excuse not to have a quality idea for a Bond film. They should be able to come up with something and have people working behind the scenes on the next film regardless of the business situation going on in regards to distribution or whatever. EON has gotten lazy and complacent. Sure, cinema has changed but so what? What other excuse will people come up with next?

    Seriously, I love this series but the last ten+ years have been an absolute mess. Marvel is killing it and they crank out film after film each year, nearly all of which are stronger than every single Bond film released in the last 24 years (with the exception of CR and SF). My opinion, sure, but the average Rotten Tomato score for Marvel films is around 84%, with a massive 21 films released thus far in only 11 years. The last 8 Bond films (being completed over a 20 year period) have averaged 70%. Bond doesn't have to come every 2 years. But when 25 comes out it will be a paltry 5 films in 14 years. Marvel will have close to 25 films by then, in about 1/5th the time.


    Each with its own set of directors producers writers and cast again unless you want a Bond cinematic universe (which would suck) we aren't going to get that kind of output

    We live in a democracy, so I understand people thinking Marvel movies are better than half of the Bond movies. But what I'm sure of is that they are different. Different productions, different marketing, different audience target. And I'm totally against mash-ups or cinematic Bond spin-offs. Only true Bond fans care about M, Moneypenny or Leiter.

    On the other hand, I care little to nothing for what Rotten Tomatoes says. They even blocked the negative comments regarding a movie for a matter of SJW-ism. And again, I prefer quality over quantity.

    With the possibility of "owning" Bond that we have now (the movies, the collectables, etc. that are one click and a payment away), the 4-5 year gap isn't as painful as the pre-internet two-year gaps. I mean, how much did you know about TSWLM after TMWTGG was released? A friend once told me that it was quite painful when Bond films started the two-year cycle because you had a year of N-O-T-H-I-N-G in the middle. Maybe rewatching an old Bond IF your local cinema rescreened it whenever they wanted to.

    I was quite pleased with Skyfall and SPECTRE, particularly the latter, so I don't see them as a flop and they were both a financial success. Back in the day, TMWTGG and LTK damaged the franchise, those were the kind of mistakes EON had to learn.
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
    Posts: 544
    Side note: Imagine if Bond had spin-offs released every single year! @MI6 guys would have to work 24/7 without even going to sleep to deliver us all the updates :O
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    Plus, I can’t help but feel the Marvel bubble is going to burst eventually, and Bond will keep going strong. Personally, I was burnt out on Marvel by Civil War. Haven’t bothered watching any since.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    We have to accept that now, with the action film market so buoyant a character like Bond could become irrelevant if they force films out every 2-3 years. Bond films have always been an event, but if they made them every two years now it wouldn't be an event in the slightest. And that is due to competition.

    I believe the opposite, actually -- that the films would be even more successful if they came out on a regular 2-3 year schedule. Part of the charm of the series was its consistent release schedule. The fans could expect a new film by a certain time.

    Deep down EON must understand that, too, which is why as recently as QOS they were hitting that 2 year goal. I think they could still do it if they got the same director and writer(s) to commit to a few films and worked hard at planning the next film while the current one is in production.

    Even if one of the films ended up a failure, we'd only have to wait a couple of years for the next one, which is better than waiting 5 years for a piece of garbage.
    But maybe the key word in your opening sentence is ‘fans’. Eon can’t rely on just fans to make Bond successful.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited March 2019 Posts: 2,541
    Side note: Imagine if Bond had spin-offs released every single year! @MI6 guys would have to work 24/7 without even going to sleep to deliver us all the updates :O

    Yikes at least I don't want that
  • Posts: 104
    Billy Magnussen is indicating something here

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited March 2019 Posts: 14,551
    This photo raises so many questions. Is Vietnam a B25 locale? Will Bond actually meet his replacement here?
    Was it Billy who left the toilet seat up?
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 628
    NicNac wrote: »
    Eon can’t rely on just fans to make Bond successful.

    Making every Bond a prestige project for the masses -- basically, trying to do SKYFALL over and over again -- will have diminishing returns. Better to market to a loyal fanbase that consistently turns out for these movies.
  • Posts: 3,164
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    Eon can’t rely on just fans to make Bond successful.

    Making every Bond a prestige project for the masses -- basically, trying to do SKYFALL over and over again -- will have diminishing returns. Better to market to a loyal fanbase that consistently turns out for these movies.

    But Bond is such a globally recognised brand, that only aiming the films towards that 'loyal fanbase' which, especially compared to such bases for the likes of Marvel or Star Wars, is leaving tons of money on the table.

    Maybe they can ease off on the 'prestige' part of it, sure.
  • Posts: 104
    It's SassiLive time again!
    http://www.sassilive.it/cultura-e-spettacoli/cinema-cultura-e-spettacoli/i-sassi-di-matera-nella-scena-di-apertura-del-film-bond-25/

    Translated via google:
    The Sassi of Matera in the opening scene of the film Bond 25

    New rumors about the 25th film production dedicated to James Bond. Pending the press conference scheduled for April 1st with the cast gala at London's Pinewood Studios and the preliminary shoot scheduled for April 5th and 6th the director Cary J. Fukunaga, attentive to ecology, chose the first electric Aston Martins of the value of 250 thousand dollars that will flash through the streets of the Sassi of Matera. Aston Martin and James Bond form a combination that has been combining cinematography and cars for over 50 years. A bond that has stood the test of time, despite the alternation of different scriptwriters, directors and performers. For this reason agent 007 will drive an electric Aston Martin in the next film. The model chosen is the Rapide E, which will star in the 25th film of the saga inspired by the novels of Ian Fleming. A Daniel Craig who for Gaydon cars also has a certain passion.
    The decision was taken by director Cary Fukunaga, who, in agreement with production and cast, considered the time for such innovation to be ripe for a capital city of human ecology, Matera. It remains therefore to discover which incredible gadgets the new car will be equipped with for the first time that it will not have the engine roar typical of cars driven by James Bond.
    Cary Fukunaga, we remember he replaces Danny Boyle due to differences of opinion about the end not accepted by actor Daniel Craig of his alterego Bond. A final, according to the indiscretions that come from the original draft of the script, in which the glamorous marriage of Mister Bond on the seashore in the beautiful and wild beach of Marina di Pisticci, Riva dei Ginepri would be expected.
    Among the cast, it seems imminent the confirmation of Ramy Malek who could be the bad guy, fresh winner of the Oscar for the movie “Bohemian Rhapsody. The cast completes the return of s, the Bond Girl of the previous chapter, plus Ralph Fiennes and Ben Whishaw. There is also talk of two other mysterious "Bond girls" whose roles however are not yet clear: one should help the secret agent, the other should be his "femme fatale" known precisely during a tropical private party on the most chic beach and ecological Jamaican style of the coast of Matera.
    Moreover the probable new successor of James Bond will be present in the film with a "cutting role" for the passing of a baton. The pre-shots should be made in Matera after the Bruna festival in July, while shooting in the city of the Sassi will take place from August 17th to September 23rd 2019.
    One thing is certain: "Bond 25" will be the biggest event of the year in Matera 2019. An James Bond with an ecology license, which definitively launches the Sassi of Matera, World Cinema Capital, in the world niche tourism jet set and copyright.

  • Posts: 9,843
    Aprils first as the press conference... I hope the "its not Shatterhand" comment is not the greatest april fools day joke
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 17,740
    Will laugh out loud if the title is Shatterhands – plural.
  • Posts: 9,843
    I wonder if its say The Hildebrand Rarity how many would assume its an april fools day joke
  • Posts: 12,526
    =bg= wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Well an Electric Aston would be interesting if it was used for stealth and infiltration within the plot? Time will tell I guess?

    rather have an electric one than a (cough cough) invisible one.

    True, Don't mention the ice bergs!!! Lol!
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,582
    Denbigh wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    The point I was making was that there are greater forces at work now that probably contribute to the delays we have between films.

    Political forces. Creative forces.

    We have to accept that now, with the action film market so buoyant a character like Bond could become irrelevant if they force films out every 2-3 years. Bond films have always been an event, but if they made them every two years now it wouldn't be an event in the slightest. And that is due to competition.

    Barbara isn't being lacklustre, she is as keen as ever to give Bond to the world. But it's a different world to when Cubby was around.

    As for incompetent decisions, Eon have been making them since the 60s. Thunderball suffered from being rushed. Issues with the editing and the dubbing were all over the film. That film needed six more months.

    The script has had re-writes, yes. But so many Bond films have had them. We are just more aware of it now, because of the internet age.

    As someone said, to have kept this franchise alive for over 50 years is a miracle. An absolute miracle. But its a miracle that is harder to perform as the years go by.

    Spot on.
    Great stuff @NicNac, you managed to get to the point in less words than I did haha :D

    As long as we keep hammering the point home ;)
  • Station_Z wrote: »
    Billy Magnussen is indicating something here


    Good catch! Definitely a hint of his possible casting, I'd say.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    Station_Z wrote: »
    It's SassiLive time again!
    http://www.sassilive.it/cultura-e-spettacoli/cinema-cultura-e-spettacoli/i-sassi-di-matera-nella-scena-di-apertura-del-film-bond-25/

    Translated via google:
    The Sassi of Matera in the opening scene of the film Bond 25

    New rumors about the 25th film production dedicated to James Bond. Pending the press conference scheduled for April 1st with the cast gala at London's Pinewood Studios and the preliminary shoot scheduled for April 5th and 6th the director Cary J. Fukunaga, attentive to ecology, chose the first electric Aston Martins of the value of 250 thousand dollars that will flash through the streets of the Sassi of Matera. Aston Martin and James Bond form a combination that has been combining cinematography and cars for over 50 years. A bond that has stood the test of time, despite the alternation of different scriptwriters, directors and performers. For this reason agent 007 will drive an electric Aston Martin in the next film. The model chosen is the Rapide E, which will star in the 25th film of the saga inspired by the novels of Ian Fleming. A Daniel Craig who for Gaydon cars also has a certain passion.
    The decision was taken by director Cary Fukunaga, who, in agreement with production and cast, considered the time for such innovation to be ripe for a capital city of human ecology, Matera. It remains therefore to discover which incredible gadgets the new car will be equipped with for the first time that it will not have the engine roar typical of cars driven by James Bond.
    Cary Fukunaga, we remember he replaces Danny Boyle due to differences of opinion about the end not accepted by actor Daniel Craig of his alterego Bond. A final, according to the indiscretions that come from the original draft of the script, in which the glamorous marriage of Mister Bond on the seashore in the beautiful and wild beach of Marina di Pisticci, Riva dei Ginepri would be expected.
    Among the cast, it seems imminent the confirmation of Ramy Malek who could be the bad guy, fresh winner of the Oscar for the movie “Bohemian Rhapsody. The cast completes the return of s, the Bond Girl of the previous chapter, plus Ralph Fiennes and Ben Whishaw. There is also talk of two other mysterious "Bond girls" whose roles however are not yet clear: one should help the secret agent, the other should be his "femme fatale" known precisely during a tropical private party on the most chic beach and ecological Jamaican style of the coast of Matera.
    Moreover the probable new successor of James Bond will be present in the film with a "cutting role" for the passing of a baton. The pre-shots should be made in Matera after the Bruna festival in July, while shooting in the city of the Sassi will take place from August 17th to September 23rd 2019.
    One thing is certain: "Bond 25" will be the biggest event of the year in Matera 2019. An James Bond with an ecology license, which definitively launches the Sassi of Matera, World Cinema Capital, in the world niche tourism jet set and copyright.
    This is very confusing, especially the stuff about the "femme fatale" and a tropical private party. They seem like assumptions but it's kinda hard to tell.
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    An April Fools Day press conference.. how very fitting! :))
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    It'd be kinda funny if they announce the title as Shatterhand as an April Fools, and then reveal the actual title :D
  • Posts: 17,740
    Denbigh wrote: »
    It'd be kinda funny if they announce the title as Shatterhand as an April Fools, and then reveal the actual title :D

    That would just be…

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  • Posts: 727
    NicNac wrote: »
    Unfortunately those who are overly critical of Barbara Broccoli and Eon are so inclined because all they want is a new Bond film asap, no excuses, no delays.

    Then they can happily spend the next two or three years telling everyone how crap it was.

    +1.

    Whenever someone slams EON and claims to be a huge Bond fan, my Geiger counter begins to make noise.
    NicNac wrote: »
    Sorry, but as has been said on numerous occasions Eon is a small fish in a big pond. And we fans do not want Bond to be run by a Marvel or a Disney. We want it to be run by Eon, a small independent, who keep control of the Bond name and legacy.

    Marvel and Disney are the McDonald's of the big screen: films aimed to guys on T-shirts who care next to nothing for their appearance, eat nachos and cheese during the movies, shout and applaud aloud whenever a character kills the villain or they see the LucasFilms logo. I'll apologize in advance if I'm hurting feelings, but I can't stop to see those "great" productions done in two years or less as something extremely vulgar to my tastes.

    EON, on the other hand, is the Carnegie Hall/Opera Palace of the big screen: aimed to guys who feel confident enough to mimic the Bond looks wearing a decent suit for important events, who are gentlemanly and try to enjoy their low-budget version of the huge lifestyle Bond has. Fleming came from an upper-crust family, Cubby Broccoli was working class but he knew what kind of audiences should appeal, and had a great director like Terence Young who captured Fleming's idea quite well. Bond -like Tosca- is not for everyone.


    I'm pretty sure those suit wearing confident dudes gave a Marvel movie a nomination at the Oscars. Never Bond.
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