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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'm on chapter 13 of Unchartered 4 and if Naughty Dog were to ever make a Bond game, I'd probably be more excited for that than an actual Bond film.
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  • Risico007Risico007
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Ok I have a theory about the June announcement and it's a wild one but what if the announcement isn't about the next bond film but the next bond video game. E3 is next week and there are a few companies (Rocksteady, Ubisoft, and Wb Montreal) working on mysterious AAA titles how awesome would it be if next week we get a trailer and announcement of a new bond game staring Daniel Craig as James Bond 007 (providing voice work and likeness) Ralph Fiennes as M and of course Christoph Waltz as Blofeld

    Never in a million years, but I appreciate your optimism. We won't see another Bond game for a long, long time. Thanks to Activision's increasingly poor efforts through the years (ending in their license's termination), I'm sure most behind the Bond brand now think 007 is dead in the water when it comes to the video game market, so why bother? Blood Stone showed amazing promise of all that a modern Bond shooter could be, and to get a series of games like that with Dan on board would've been spectacular, but that just isn't going to happen, unfortunately. It's a shame too, because with today's hardware, amazing things could be done with a Bond game. But, for whatever reason, the license always goes to those who have the least vision.

    Shame as bloodstone is amazing
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Vaughn is not the worlds greatest actor but he was perfect casting as Solo in the TV show. Not something I think most people would say about Cavill.
    Vaughn was not the type to be a leading actor but more of a character actor. That never meant he didn't know how to act, and the same is an applicant to that of Cavill. People, apart from the too-brooding-downright-serious Bond fans, have loved Cavill in the role of Solo, and many people have been vocally preferring him as the spy over the famous superhero he plays.
    Getafix wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Vaughn is not the worlds greatest actor but he was perfect casting as Solo in the TV show. Not something I think most people would say about Cavill.
    Cavill certainly looked the part and had the mannerisms down, but he didn't inhabit the character in my view. It felt like he was 'acting it' throughout. Affected. Vaughn had the benefit of being the first. Where they blew it with the film was not allowing or insisting that Cavill create his own interpretation, rather than attempt to so consciously ape Vaughn, especially since most who saw the film (what few anyway) probably didn't remember the series all that well.

    It was with Hammer where they made an incredible error. David McCallum is a tough act to follow, but Hammer was a quite horrendous caricature imho. One of the least convincing Russians I've ever witnessed on film.

    Cavill says he had never watched the TV series and deliberately avoided watching Vaughn in the role so he could come up with his own interpretation.
    Yes, Cavill claimed he didn't watch the series, and Armie Hammer said he watched it. I sincerely find that hard to believe since he nailed the characterization of Solo without breaking a sweat and it naturally came out of him. Sarcastic, laid back, happy-go-lucky, smartmouth. As far as I remember, that's what Solo was. Cavill even mimicked some of Vaughn's punctuality and expressions in his voice.

    Now, whether you find Cavill boring or dreadful that's entirely up to you and your preference. Because I know others don't, including myself. And I for one think, just like Brosnan, he'd have made a great Bond, and played him as a leading man, not a stage actor. Although, that ship has already sailed, so no bids from me on that.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I think the problem is that Cavill is simply a dreadful actor. He's so uncharismatic and boring that he can't even 'play himself' in the way that traditional action stars do. He's just like a clothes horse thrown infront of the camera.

    I first saw him in a Woody Allen film and thought the joke was that the guy simply couldn't act...

    I know people love Campbell on here but the fact that he wanted Cavill over Craig is a damning indictment of his judgement as a director.

    Cavill would have been worse than Brosnan IMO. Which means he would have been REALLY bad.
    I agree. Martin Campbell is normally right when it comes to all things Bond, but I'm so happy Babs overruled him (and Wilson) on Cavill. Have you seen The Cold Light of Day, a Euro thriller? He was absolutely cringe worthy in that one.

    But wasn't Cavil rejected for being too young at the end? i read on an interview with Martin Campbell that Henry did a great job on his screen test and Campbell liked Pierce so its not surprise he wanted Henry Cavil.



  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Campbell gave us both GE and CR; to judge him for wanting Cavill is a bit extreme. Plus, we don't know any screen tests he may have seen, or in what light he viewed the actor, as this was back in the mid-2000's before he broke out and started getting major roles, which is what we compare Cavill to now.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    @clarkdevlin you do really prefer the old school cinemmatic Bond right and you are firm on that idea which is cool, i prefer that Bond as well and as ne essary and good the reboot was with Craig i wished we Could have kept going with the original timeline.

    Just Cast Craig in a regular mission and not making Casino Royake his first mission.

    I like Craig very much snd with Spectre he proved he can do old school bond and have fun being a playboy and enjoy the fantasy elements of the character.

    I do agree with you on Henry Cavil on how he seems to fit better as a spy like Bond or Solo than Superman. He was my first pick as the next Bond in acting and looks. He reminds to Pierce Brosnan my favorite Bond and i bet he reminds you to Roger Moore.

    At the end i do also prefer the cool fun bond over the brooding and super serious Bond but Daniel has been doing such a great job that i have learned to enjoy this new take in its own way.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    edited June 2016 Posts: 2,539
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    By now we know that EON are sneaky. They are doubtless working hard behind the scenes to make sure they have an actor and script outline ready out of the gate. As always they are behaving inscrutably, thats what EON are known for.

    Didn't they start unofficially working on SF after QoS, even though they weren't supposed to be doing anything until things were cleared up?

    Surely that's how they're approaching this period of uncertainty.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited June 2016 Posts: 15,423
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    By now we know that EON are sneaky. They are doubtless working hard behind the scenes to make sure they have an actor and script outline ready out of the gate. As always they are behaving inscrutably, thats what EON are known for.

    Didn't they start unofficially working on SF after QoS, even though they weren't supposed to be doing anything until things were cleared up?

    Indeed. And two vastly different scripts with common elements have been written before Skyfall was constructed with John Logan. Peter Morgan wrote the outline for Once Upon A Spy (later adapting it to a script that was left unfinished), and P&W slightly recycled some of his ideas in another story-driven script called Nothing Is Forever. And when Logan made it on board later on, Skyfall was born, using elements from both the previous scripts for the 23rd entry in the series.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    What worries me is we haven't heard anything official but perhaps Mathew Weiner is writing bond 25 but officially can't say anything?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Anything is possible. I would never put anything past them.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Risico007, what makes you guess he'd be writing the movie?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    @Creasy47, a rumour has been made about Bond going back to the sixties and due to the success of Mad Men (also set in the 60s), Matthew Weiner was said to have been approached for a 60s Bond film (I'll never forget that long discussion we've had based on the subject in this very same thread). It could be false, and most of us take it for granted. But, then again, EON surprised us too many times so I wouldn't put it past them if they hire Weiner for it. Nowadays, EON follow brand names, not talents for whatever reason.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    By now we know that EON are sneaky. They are doubtless working hard behind the scenes to make sure they have an actor and script outline ready out of the gate. As always they are behaving inscrutably, thats what EON are known for.

    Didn't they start unofficially working on SF after QoS, even though they weren't supposed to be doing anything until things were cleared up?

    Indeed. And two vastly different scripts with common elements have been written before Skyfall was constructed with John Logan. Peter Morgan wrote the outline for Once Upon A Spy (later adapting it to a script that was left unfinished), and P&W slightly recycled some of his ideas in another story-driven script called Nothing Is Forever. And when Logan made it on board later on, Skyfall was born, using elements from both the previous scripts for the 23rd entry in the series.

    So its entirely possible, though nothing has been reported about script writers, that multiple scripts could be on the go, one with Craig and one without.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    By now we know that EON are sneaky. They are doubtless working hard behind the scenes to make sure they have an actor and script outline ready out of the gate. As always they are behaving inscrutably, thats what EON are known for.

    Didn't they start unofficially working on SF after QoS, even though they weren't supposed to be doing anything until things were cleared up?

    Indeed. And two vastly different scripts with common elements have been written before Skyfall was constructed with John Logan. Peter Morgan wrote the outline for Once Upon A Spy (later adapting it to a script that was left unfinished), and P&W slightly recycled some of his ideas in another story-driven script called Nothing Is Forever. And when Logan made it on board later on, Skyfall was born, using elements from both the previous scripts for the 23rd entry in the series.

    So its entirely possible, though nothing has been reported about script writers, that multiple scripts could be on the go, one with Craig and one without.
    Could be. But, then again, they won't be reporting anything that soon, I believe, just to wet the appetites for the fans when they drop a word or two.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I really, really hope they don't go with a period piece for the next one. If it was something they wanted to dabble in as some sort of separate, unofficial release somehow, then fine, but taking him back to the 60's is already set up for a major disappointment; for me, you're just not going to trump the likes of Connery's first few installments, and those actually took place/were filmed in the 60's, whereas something like this will manage to struggle with authenticity right from the get-go.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    Matthew so far is the only new name loosely connected with bond 25 and my gut says looking at the news story and his non denial it all sounds very much like Sam Mendes back in 2010 of course how far he has gotten with bond 25 is anyone's guess.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    @GermanLady I loved Craig's era and think Craig is an awesome Bond, but I personally don't want him in Bond 25 as I think SPECTRE was the perfect closure to his tenure.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Spectre did seem to end like an End of an era film.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    I agree with you two.
    But support can also mean "Thank you, we appreciated your turn on the man" etc
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I support Daniel. Bring on Bond25!
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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I saw his Bond installments a collective 15 times in theaters, I've bought all the blu-rays (some I've double or even triple-dipped on), and I'd say I've seen the likes of CR - SP at least a couple hundred times collectively, and he delivered two films that both make (or almost do, depending on the day) my Top 5. That's how I show my appreciation.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Apart from Quantum of Solace, I've seen all the Craig films in theaters. Casino Royale was my first and when I exited the cinema, I felt my views on the Bond franchise have been subverted... I started to see things differently with that installment.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I caught CR three times, QoS and SF five times, and SP only twice. I think I saw SF so much because I didn't like it, so I felt like I was missing something that everyone else wasn't, or perhaps I just needed to keep seeing it until I enjoyed it. Who knows.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Campbell gave us both GE and CR; to judge him for wanting Cavill is a bit extreme. Plus, we don't know any screen tests he may have seen, or in what light he viewed the actor, as this was back in the mid-2000's before he broke out and started getting major roles, which is what we compare Cavill to now.

    I judge Campbell for GE as well, which I've always regarded as a total dud
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I'm among the lucky ones who love every film from the Craig era. CR at #1, SF at #2, SP at #5, and QoS at #10. I want to see Craig in Bond 25 more so than any other actor.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    What is this talk of wanting Craig just back for bond 25 as long as he is healthy I would love him to return for 3 more films :)

    Again the Craig era as I wish

    Casino Royale
    Quantum of Solace
    Skyfall
    Spectre
    The Hildebrand Rarity (elements of you only live twice and on her Majesties secret service the title refers to the safe house)
    Blofeld: a final battle between Bond and Blofeld
    The Silver Phantom: bond has an impossible mission to deal with in order to prove to M he is back (shades of the man with the golden gun)

    And that is the Craig era :)
  • vzokvzok
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    Craig would be in his 60s by the time he did that 7th film at the rate they are turning them out now.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Campbell gave us both GE and CR; to judge him for wanting Cavill is a bit extreme. Plus, we don't know any screen tests he may have seen, or in what light he viewed the actor, as this was back in the mid-2000's before he broke out and started getting major roles, which is what we compare Cavill to now.

    I judge Campbell for GE as well, which I've always regarded as a total dud

    You know it's your second favorite, DAD being the first.
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