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  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    Posts: 1,130
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/

    Two small correction
    Connery+ Dalton+ Lazenby = Daniel Craig
    Connery+ Moore+ Dalton=Pierce Brosnan


    With porcentages

    60% connery+ 30% Moore+ 10% Dalton= Pierce Brosnan
    50% Connery+ 40% Dalton+ 10% Lazenby=Daniel Craig

    Lets see some The possible prospects

    80% Connery + 20% Dalton= Aidan Turner
    70% Moore + 30% Dalton= Tom Hidleston
    70% Craig+ 20% Dalton + 10% Connery= Idris Elba
    80% Brosnan + 10% Moore+ 10% Connery= Henry Cavil
    90% Daniel Craig+ 10% Dalton= Tom Hardy





  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Szonana wrote: »
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/

    Two small correction
    Connery+ Dalton+ Lazenby = Daniel Craig
    Connery+ Moore+ Dalton=Pierce Brosnan


    With porcentages

    60% connery+ 30% Moore+ 10% Dalton= Pierce Brosnan
    50% Connery+ 40% Dalton+ 10% Lazenby=Daniel Craig

    Lets see some The possible prospects

    80% Connery + 20% Dalton= Aidan Turner
    70% Moore + 30% Dalton= Tom Hidleston
    70% Craig+ 20% Dalton + 10% Connery= Idris Elba
    80% Brosnan + 10% Moore+ 10% Connery= Henry Cavil
    90% Daniel Craig+ 10% Dalton= Tom Hardy





    Shouldn't Turner get negative percentages for acting?
  • DisneyBond007DisneyBond007 Welwyn Garden City
    Posts: 100
    Q: What's it rhymes with motion?
    A: Sea
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 1,631
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/

    Two small correction
    Connery+ Dalton+ Lazenby = Daniel Craig
    Connery+ Moore+ Dalton=Pierce Brosnan


    With porcentages

    60% connery+ 30% Moore+ 10% Dalton= Pierce Brosnan
    50% Connery+ 40% Dalton+ 10% Lazenby=Daniel Craig

    Lets see some The possible prospects

    80% Connery + 20% Dalton= Aidan Turner
    70% Moore + 30% Dalton= Tom Hidleston
    70% Craig+ 20% Dalton + 10% Connery= Idris Elba
    80% Brosnan + 10% Moore+ 10% Connery= Henry Cavil
    90% Daniel Craig+ 10% Dalton= Tom Hardy





    Shouldn't Turner get negative percentages for acting?


    :))

    Couldn't agree more.
  • Posts: 6,432
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/



    :-O
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited June 2016 Posts: 28,694
    All this fuss...

    It'll be a fart in the wind like last time. They aren't going to issue a minutes silence or a national holiday when Craig leaves. The general public just don't feel the same way that some of us think they do. If they did then the papers would be writing articles about Craig staying rather than leaving. It's that simple. They will love Craig while he is Bond, then forget him when he leaves. The only two actors where that hasn't been the case is Connery (because he was the first) and Moore (because he has traded on his Bond persona ever since and become a national tresaue in his own right, unlike other actors). I could understand where certain among us were coming from were they talking about Han Solo or Indiana Jones, because only one man has ever played those characters on the big screen (not counting River Phoenix). People are used to this happening with Bond. Craig will move on, and so will the public. I think we can all stop acting like the nation and the world won't know how to cope without Craig. Sure, they will look back fondly in the same way that people who were young during Brosnans rein might look back fondly on that era. But the idea that " EON will have a hard time replacing Craig" is patently untrue. In fact the opposite is true. EON could throw any early thirties actor into the tux and as long as they had the looks and a smidgeon of charm, the media storm would take care of the rest. Craig is and has always been disposable, which makes him no different than any other Bond actor. Like I said, a fart in the wind.

    I wonder if Turner would be viewed as just as disposable if, by some devil soul-selling, he won the role? Of course, I won't waste time entertaining a pedestrian fantasy.


    It's clear to anyone who bothers to use their eyes that Craig is certainly not disposable, a rather pathetic comparison to make of a man who had to, from day one, face a storm of media hatred that was the biggest wave of pressure placed on a Bond since poor old Laz had to step in on Sean's territory in 1968 and try to deliver.

    The Craig era has marked a significant shake up in the Bond world, and rightfully so. Beforehand, people saw the films as what they always have been (and still are): event entertainment. But since Dan has been in the role and has been given a chance to play with the character, the series has carried a far more sophisticated flair and depth to it that it simply didn't before. Brosnan's films were fun rides to many, and great to put on when an adrenaline fueled rush was needed, much like Moore's were great for just being transported around the world with phenomenal location shooting. They were very much meant, first and foremost, for their entertainment value on a highly visual level, between the action and locations and other aspects of the Bond formula, like the main titles.

    But in the Craig era, a greater ambition was carried beyond aesthetics, and the films tackled extremely real world concerns in a smart way that really deepened Bond and his world. CR spoke of funded terrorism and enemies we can't see, and how we can often be so focused on those enemies that we forget to guard our allies. QoS played up pseudo-ecological interests and how corporate or other private interests can manipulate and turn the tides of governments and policies in their favor; Greene was a man almost too real to stomach. SF dealt with the nature of human soldiers versus the increasing technological capabilities that threaten the existence of the former in a world where our enemies can be those with just a keyboard and an anger fueled agenda, all while questioning whether drones with no human reasoning are really the best way to fight our battles. SP continues what SF began, showing us once again the dangers and drawbacks of a highly-technological world, for all its progress, especially when surveillance cheapens our privacy at the same moment it tries to protect us.

    The Craig era has asked very big questions that have faced the world as they've been filmed and Dan as Bond is largely responsible for that, because 007 is put in the center of all of these issues in a way other Bonds haven't before. Many times in the Craig era, Bond's whole existence is threatened, and the films engage you to think about the very real world issues they're presenting in a way that the Bond films really haven't done since the tail end of Moore's era where, quite surprisingly, the campy films took the time to comment on a developing détente between Britain and the Soviet Union during a time when western influence was actually having a positive impact on the lands it was seeping into. The issue there, however, was that the warming relations of the Brits and Ruskies didn't really fit in tonally amongst all the jokes and one-liners that always ran so rampant during that era. The Craig era, however, deals everything with a straight face and makes you really confront these issues. Dan is the mighty fulcrum on which all of this spins, and without an actor this great, a lot of it would fall to shreds, because you wouldn't be invested in Bond enough to care about all the rest.

    And of course, Dan's involvement off screen has been above and beyond what has come before. This is a man who has gotten down and dirty in the stunts aspect of the role, throwing himself at anything they'll let him do to ensure that the audience gets their money's worth and actually sees their Bond in action as much as possible on screen. whether it's in a fist fight in a crowded hotel room or a tussle on the top of a speeding train. Secondly, he's been heavily involved in the writer's room, and in the case of QoS, actually wrote some of it himself to save the film during the strike. Thirdly, Dan's talent and interpretation of the character has attracted big name talent to the role, including Academy Award winners and some of the greatest people working in the film industry today. Without Dan, we have no Mendes or Bardem, and who knows how QoS would've panned out if he wasn't on hand to steer the ship the best he could in front of and behind the camera. He's takes on such a vast amount of work each time a Bond film is being produced, and it's truly astonishing how many hats he wears over the course of a shoot. He's half actor, producer, writer, director and costume designer at this point, and has been given the chance to inject his own ideas into the scripts, controlling what Bond wears, and even who should be cast in vital roles each time filming of another Bond movie rolls around.

    Some criticizing Dan for taking things too seriously must not seem to get it. They forget the massive work he does for each movie beyond any acting, that sets him apart from all who have come before, and make his job that much more difficult to pull of. Many see it as a weakness and sign of inferiority in comparison to her father that Barbara allows a Bond actor this much control during production, but I see it as a strength. Since the beginning, Barbara has stood by Dan when the whole world hated him for the part, and ushered him in with a film that made the critics stick their words where the sun can't shine. It's a testament to Dan as an actor, creator and visionary that he handled the hate head one, and that since then he has been given such a large part of the Bond world to play with, with endless opportunities during the shooting of each movie to become even more involved in the production process beyond working in front of the camera.

    Unlike any Bond before, Dan is not just Bond, but also one of the major creative driving forces behind the franchise right now, steering it in directions he is interested in alongside Barbara and Michael. He is come to with every decision made, and seriously asked for his views on where Bond is going each time around. When Dan is done in the role, EON will not only lose one of the best Bond actors we'll ever see play the role, but also one of the greatest contributors to the Bond legend behind the camera there's ever been in everything extra he was able to bring along with him during his tenure, and the many areas of production he aided and influenced over that time to make his Bond films so great. The time following his departure should be viewed like that of Cubby's, a time of worry and apprehension of what can come after such a great, tested and influential contributor has left the franchise.

    Disposable, my ass.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 2016 Posts: 6,277
    Getafix wrote: »
    I think the problem is that Cavill is simply a dreadful actor. He's so uncharismatic and boring that he can't even 'play himself' in the way that traditional action stars do. He's just like a clothes horse thrown infront of the camera.

    I first saw him in a Woody Allen film and thought the joke was that the guy simply couldn't act...

    I know people love Campbell on here but the fact that he wanted Cavill over Craig is a damning indictment of his judgement as a director.

    Cavill would have been worse than Brosnan IMO. Which means he would have been REALLY bad.

    I completely agree. In the right role, Brosnan is good. Cavill has yet to demonstrate that he can act.

    Craig is the gamechanger in the series. Only Connery has made more of a cultural impact in the role. I'd like to see Craig go out on a critical high, so at least one more film is needed for him.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    I say start a fresh.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    Posts: 1,130
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/

    Two small correction
    Connery+ Dalton+ Lazenby = Daniel Craig
    Connery+ Moore+ Dalton=Pierce Brosnan


    With porcentages

    60% connery+ 30% Moore+ 10% Dalton= Pierce Brosnan
    50% Connery+ 40% Dalton+ 10% Lazenby=Daniel Craig

    Lets see some The possible prospects

    80% Connery + 20% Dalton= Aidan Turner
    70% Moore + 30% Dalton= Tom Hidleston
    70% Craig+ 20% Dalton + 10% Connery= Idris Elba
    80% Brosnan + 10% Moore+ 10% Connery= Henry Cavil
    90% Daniel Craig+ 10% Dalton= Tom Hardy





    Shouldn't Turner get negative percentages for acting?

    Mmm I wasn't counting on how good or bad they were just the composition of the actors they are the most similar heheh.

  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Szonana wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/

    Two small correction
    Connery+ Dalton+ Lazenby = Daniel Craig
    Connery+ Moore+ Dalton=Pierce Brosnan


    With porcentages

    60% connery+ 30% Moore+ 10% Dalton= Pierce Brosnan
    50% Connery+ 40% Dalton+ 10% Lazenby=Daniel Craig

    Lets see some The possible prospects

    80% Connery + 20% Dalton= Aidan Turner
    70% Moore + 30% Dalton= Tom Hidleston
    70% Craig+ 20% Dalton + 10% Connery= Idris Elba
    80% Brosnan + 10% Moore+ 10% Connery= Henry Cavil
    90% Daniel Craig+ 10% Dalton= Tom Hardy





    Shouldn't Turner get negative percentages for acting?

    Mmm I wasn't counting on how good or bad they were just the composition of the actors they are the most similar heheh.
    Szonana wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/

    Two small correction
    Connery+ Dalton+ Lazenby = Daniel Craig
    Connery+ Moore+ Dalton=Pierce Brosnan


    With porcentages

    60% connery+ 30% Moore+ 10% Dalton= Pierce Brosnan
    50% Connery+ 40% Dalton+ 10% Lazenby=Daniel Craig

    Lets see some The possible prospects

    80% Connery + 20% Dalton= Aidan Turner
    70% Moore + 30% Dalton= Tom Hidleston
    70% Craig+ 20% Dalton + 10% Connery= Idris Elba
    80% Brosnan + 10% Moore+ 10% Connery= Henry Cavil
    90% Daniel Craig+ 10% Dalton= Tom Hardy





    Shouldn't Turner get negative percentages for acting?

    Mmm I wasn't counting on how good or bad they were just the composition of the actors they are the most similar heheh.

    I was just teasing. I like and appreciate what you did :).
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    All this fuss...

    It'll be a fart in the wind like last time. They aren't going to issue a minutes silence or a national holiday when Craig leaves. The general public just don't feel the same way that some of us think they do. If they did then the papers would be writing articles about Craig staying rather than leaving. It's that simple. They will love Craig while he is Bond, then forget him when he leaves. The only two actors where that hasn't been the case is Connery (because he was the first) and Moore (because he has traded on his Bond persona ever since and become a national tresaue in his own right, unlike other actors). I could understand where certain among us were coming from were they talking about Han Solo or Indiana Jones, because only one man has ever played those characters on the big screen (not counting River Phoenix). People are used to this happening with Bond. Craig will move on, and so will the public. I think we can all stop acting like the nation and the world won't know how to cope without Craig. Sure, they will look back fondly in the same way that people who were young during Brosnans rein might look back fondly on that era. But the idea that " EON will have a hard time replacing Craig" is patently untrue. In fact the opposite is true. EON could throw any early thirties actor into the tux and as long as they had the looks and a smidgeon of charm, the media storm would take care of the rest. Craig is and has always been disposable, which makes him no different than any other Bond actor. Like I said, a fart in the wind.

    I wonder if Turner would be viewed as just as disposable if, by some devil soul-selling, he won the role? Of course, I won't waste time entertaining a pedestrian fantasy.


    It's clear to anyone who bothers to use their eyes that Craig is certainly not disposable, a rather pathetic comparison to make of a man who had to, from day one, face a storm of media hatred that was the biggest wave of pressure placed on a Bond since poor old Laz had to step in on Sean's territory in 1968 and try to deliver.

    The Craig era has marked a significant shake up in the Bond world, and rightfully so. Beforehand, people saw the films as what they always have been (and still are): event entertainment. But since Dan has been in the role and has been given a chance to play with the character, the series has carried a far more sophisticated flair and depth to it that it simply didn't before. Brosnan's films were fun rides to many, and great to put on when an adrenaline fueled rush was needed, much like Moore's were great for just being transported around the world with phenomenal location shooting. They were very much meant, first and foremost, for their entertainment value on a highly visual level, between the action and locations and other aspects of the Bond formula, like the main titles.

    But in the Craig era, a greater ambition was carried beyond aesthetics, and the films tackled extremely real world concerns in a smart way that really deepened Bond and his world. CR spoke of funded terrorism and enemies we can't see, and how we can often be so focused on those enemies that we forget to guard our allies. QoS played up pseudo-ecological interests and how corporate or other private interests can manipulate and turn the tides of governments and policies in their favor; Greene was a man almost too real to stomach. SF dealt with the nature of human soldiers versus the increasing technological capabilities that threaten the existence of the former in a world where our enemies can be those with just a keyboard and an anger fueled agenda, all while questioning whether drones with no human reasoning are really the best way to fight our battles. SP continues what SF began, showing us once again the dangers and drawbacks of a highly-technological world, for all its progress, especially when surveillance cheapens our privacy at the same moment it tries to protect us.

    The Craig era has asked very big questions that have faced the world as they've been filmed and Dan as Bond is largely responsible for that, because 007 is put in the center of all of these issues in a way other Bonds haven't before. Many times in the Craig era, Bond's whole existence is threatened, and the films engage you to think about the very real world issues they're presenting in a way that the Bond films really haven't done since the tail end of Moore's era where, quite surprisingly, the campy films took the time to comment on a developing détente between Britain and the Soviet Union during a time when western influence was actually having a positive impact on the lands it was seeping into. The issue there, however, was that the warming relations of the Brits and Ruskies didn't really fit in tonally amongst all the jokes and one-liners that always ran so rampant during that era. The Craig era, however, deals everything with a straight face and makes you really confront these issues. Dan is the mighty fulcrum on which all of this spins, and without an actor this great, a lot of it would fall to shreds, because you wouldn't be invested in Bond enough to care about all the rest.

    And of course, Dan's involvement off screen has been above and beyond what has come before. This is a man who has gotten down and dirty in the stunts aspect of the role, throwing himself at anything they'll let him do to ensure that the audience gets their money's worth and actually sees their Bond in action as much as possible on screen. whether it's in a fist fight in a crowded hotel room or a tussle on the top of a speeding train. Secondly, he's been heavily involved in the writer's room, and in the case of QoS, actually wrote some of it himself to save the film during the strike. Thirdly, Dan's talent and interpretation of the character has attracted big name talent to the role, including Academy Award winners and some of the greatest people working in the film industry today. Without Dan, we have no Mendes or Bardem, and who knows how QoS would've panned out if he wasn't on hand to steer the ship the best he could in front of and behind the camera. He's takes on such a vast amount of work each time a Bond film is being produced, and it's truly astonishing how many hats he wears over the course of a shoot. He's half actor, producer, writer, director and costume designer at this point, and has been given the chance to inject his own ideas into the scripts, controlling what Bond wears, and even who should be cast in vital roles each time filming of another Bond movie rolls around.

    Some criticizing Dan for taking things too seriously must not seem to get it. They forget the massive work he does for each movie beyond any acting, that sets him apart from all who have come before, and make his job that much more difficult to pull of. Many see it as a weakness and sign of inferiority in comparison to her father that Barbara allows a Bond actor this much control during production, but I see it as a strength. Since the beginning, Barbara has stood by Dan when the whole world hated him for the part, and ushered him in with a film that made the critics stick their words where the sun can't shine. It's a testament to Dan as an actor, creator and visionary that he handled the hate head one, and that since then he has been given such a large part of the Bond world to play with, with endless opportunities during the shooting of each movie to become even more involved in the production process beyond working in front of the camera.

    Unlike any Bond before, Dan is not just Bond, but also one of the major creative driving forces behind the franchise right now, steering it in directions he is interested in alongside Barbara and Michael. He is come to with every decision made, and seriously asked for his views on where Bond is going each time around. When Dan is done in the role, EON will not only lose one of the best Bond actors we'll ever see play the role, but also one of the greatest contributors to the Bond legend behind the camera there's ever been in everything extra he was able to bring along with him during his tenure, and the many areas of production he aided and influenced over that time to make his Bond films so great. The time following his departure should be viewed like that of Cubby's, a time of worry and apprehension of what can come after such a great, tested and influential contributor has left the franchise.

    Disposable, my ass.

    excellent post. Well thought out. Mature. Unlike the post you're responding to, where the author, at times, reads like he's reacting as a child. Impulsive and spoilt.

    Well done @0Brady
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Tom Hiddleston evades more Bond questions. I noticed he's using the same "Your guess is as good as mine" line for quite some time.

  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
    Posts: 2,632
    A wallpaper I made to support Daniel Craig's hopeful return for B25.

    LIXMW0a.png
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited June 2016 Posts: 4,116
    We need a change. So does Craig. Sorry I was a supporter of Craig until SP.

    Okay so interviews aren't his forte but some things you just don't say after years of everybody's hard work.

    He contributed significantly and took Bond to a new standard but eh that's enough.

    If Craig returns that's fine. He'll do his job.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    We need a change. So does Craig. Sorry I was a supporter of Craig until SP.

    Okay so interviews aren't his forte but some things you just don't say after years of everybody's hard work.

    He contributed significantly and took Bond to a new standard but eh that's enough.

    If Craig returns that's fine. He'll do his job.
    Sensible answer, mate.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    We need a change. So does Craig. Sorry I was a supporter of Craig until SP.

    Okay so interviews aren't his forte but some things you just don't say after years of everybody's hard work.

    He contributed significantly and took Bond to a new standard but eh that's enough.

    If Craig returns that's fine. He'll do his job.
    Sensible answer, mate.

    Thanks... I still like Craig s Bond.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
    Posts: 1,130
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/

    Two small correction
    Connery+ Dalton+ Lazenby = Daniel Craig
    Connery+ Moore+ Dalton=Pierce Brosnan


    With porcentages

    60% connery+ 30% Moore+ 10% Dalton= Pierce Brosnan
    50% Connery+ 40% Dalton+ 10% Lazenby=Daniel Craig

    Lets see some The possible prospects

    80% Connery + 20% Dalton= Aidan Turner
    70% Moore + 30% Dalton= Tom Hidleston
    70% Craig+ 20% Dalton + 10% Connery= Idris Elba
    80% Brosnan + 10% Moore+ 10% Connery= Henry Cavil
    90% Daniel Craig+ 10% Dalton= Tom Hardy





    Shouldn't Turner get negative percentages for acting?

    Mmm I wasn't counting on how good or bad they were just the composition of the actors they are the most similar heheh.
    Szonana wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Connery + Moore = Brosnan
    Connery + Lazenby = Craig
    Connery + Dalton = Turner

    \m/

    Two small correction
    Connery+ Dalton+ Lazenby = Daniel Craig
    Connery+ Moore+ Dalton=Pierce Brosnan


    With porcentages

    60% connery+ 30% Moore+ 10% Dalton= Pierce Brosnan
    50% Connery+ 40% Dalton+ 10% Lazenby=Daniel Craig

    Lets see some The possible prospects

    80% Connery + 20% Dalton= Aidan Turner
    70% Moore + 30% Dalton= Tom Hidleston
    70% Craig+ 20% Dalton + 10% Connery= Idris Elba
    80% Brosnan + 10% Moore+ 10% Connery= Henry Cavil
    90% Daniel Craig+ 10% Dalton= Tom Hardy





    Shouldn't Turner get negative percentages for acting?

    Mmm I wasn't counting on how good or bad they were just the composition of the actors they are the most similar heheh.

    I was just teasing. I like and appreciate what you did :).

    Ohhh my bad then,sorry thats the trouble sometimes i get into when English its not my first language but i do like some teaisng.
    Sorry for being such a bore, i blame poor Dalton for taking things a little too seriously and thats just what ive done

    :))
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 6,601
    @Mendes - Yadayadayada. Some of what you say is so cringeworthy, it hurts. And no, just for you, I hope, Turner won't get the job. Nobody would survive that with you around. You can be glad, many people here are so polite with you, despite rolling eyes. Well, I am not.

    ..and whilst we are at it - what exactly connects DC with Lazenby in your mind - apart from being convincing in the fight scenes.
  • Germanlady wrote: »
    @Mendes - Yadayadayada. Some of what you say is so cringeworthy, it hurts. And no, just for you, I hope, Turner won't get the job. Nobody would survive that with you around. You can be glad, many people here are so polite with you, despite rolling eyes. Well, I am not.

    It's about to go downnnnnnn. In all seriousness, calm it, we're all friends here. :)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Germanlady wrote: »
    @Mendes - Yadayadayada. Some of what you say is so cringeworthy, it hurts. And no, just for you, I hope, Turner won't get the job. Nobody would survive that with you around. You can be glad, many people here are so polite with you, despite rolling eyes. Well, I am not.

    I'm with you GL.

    I had no opinion on Turner at the start of this but thanks to the infant @Mendes and his relentless spewings I now have him only ever so slightly above Elba and Cavill on the list of people I don't want getting the gig.
    All this fuss...

    It'll be a fart in the wind like last time. They aren't going to issue a minutes silence or a national holiday when Craig leaves. The general public just don't feel the same way that some of us think they do. If they did then the papers would be writing articles about Craig staying rather than leaving. It's that simple. They will love Craig while he is Bond, then forget him when he leaves. The only two actors where that hasn't been the case is Connery (because he was the first) and Moore (because he has traded on his Bond persona ever since and become a national tresaue in his own right, unlike other actors). I could understand where certain among us were coming from were they talking about Han Solo or Indiana Jones, because only one man has ever played those characters on the big screen (not counting River Phoenix). People are used to this happening with Bond. Craig will move on, and so will the public. I think we can all stop acting like the nation and the world won't know how to cope without Craig. Sure, they will look back fondly in the same way that people who were young during Brosnans rein might look back fondly on that era. But the idea that " EON will have a hard time replacing Craig" is patently untrue. In fact the opposite is true. EON could throw any early thirties actor into the tux and as long as they had the looks and a smidgeon of charm, the media storm would take care of the rest. Craig is and has always been disposable, which makes him no different than any other Bond actor. Like I said, a fart in the wind.

    I wonder if Turner would be viewed as just as disposable if, by some devil soul-selling, he won the role? Of course, I won't waste time entertaining a pedestrian fantasy.


    It's clear to anyone who bothers to use their eyes that Craig is certainly not disposable, a rather pathetic comparison to make of a man who had to, from day one, face a storm of media hatred that was the biggest wave of pressure placed on a Bond since poor old Laz had to step in on Sean's territory in 1968 and try to deliver.

    The Craig era has marked a significant shake up in the Bond world, and rightfully so. Beforehand, people saw the films as what they always have been (and still are): event entertainment. But since Dan has been in the role and has been given a chance to play with the character, the series has carried a far more sophisticated flair and depth to it that it simply didn't before. Brosnan's films were fun rides to many, and great to put on when an adrenaline fueled rush was needed, much like Moore's were great for just being transported around the world with phenomenal location shooting. They were very much meant, first and foremost, for their entertainment value on a highly visual level, between the action and locations and other aspects of the Bond formula, like the main titles.

    But in the Craig era, a greater ambition was carried beyond aesthetics, and the films tackled extremely real world concerns in a smart way that really deepened Bond and his world. CR spoke of funded terrorism and enemies we can't see, and how we can often be so focused on those enemies that we forget to guard our allies. QoS played up pseudo-ecological interests and how corporate or other private interests can manipulate and turn the tides of governments and policies in their favor; Greene was a man almost too real to stomach. SF dealt with the nature of human soldiers versus the increasing technological capabilities that threaten the existence of the former in a world where our enemies can be those with just a keyboard and an anger fueled agenda, all while questioning whether drones with no human reasoning are really the best way to fight our battles. SP continues what SF began, showing us once again the dangers and drawbacks of a highly-technological world, for all its progress, especially when surveillance cheapens our privacy at the same moment it tries to protect us.

    The Craig era has asked very big questions that have faced the world as they've been filmed and Dan as Bond is largely responsible for that, because 007 is put in the center of all of these issues in a way other Bonds haven't before. Many times in the Craig era, Bond's whole existence is threatened, and the films engage you to think about the very real world issues they're presenting in a way that the Bond films really haven't done since the tail end of Moore's era where, quite surprisingly, the campy films took the time to comment on a developing détente between Britain and the Soviet Union during a time when western influence was actually having a positive impact on the lands it was seeping into. The issue there, however, was that the warming relations of the Brits and Ruskies didn't really fit in tonally amongst all the jokes and one-liners that always ran so rampant during that era. The Craig era, however, deals everything with a straight face and makes you really confront these issues. Dan is the mighty fulcrum on which all of this spins, and without an actor this great, a lot of it would fall to shreds, because you wouldn't be invested in Bond enough to care about all the rest.

    And of course, Dan's involvement off screen has been above and beyond what has come before. This is a man who has gotten down and dirty in the stunts aspect of the role, throwing himself at anything they'll let him do to ensure that the audience gets their money's worth and actually sees their Bond in action as much as possible on screen. whether it's in a fist fight in a crowded hotel room or a tussle on the top of a speeding train. Secondly, he's been heavily involved in the writer's room, and in the case of QoS, actually wrote some of it himself to save the film during the strike. Thirdly, Dan's talent and interpretation of the character has attracted big name talent to the role, including Academy Award winners and some of the greatest people working in the film industry today. Without Dan, we have no Mendes or Bardem, and who knows how QoS would've panned out if he wasn't on hand to steer the ship the best he could in front of and behind the camera. He's takes on such a vast amount of work each time a Bond film is being produced, and it's truly astonishing how many hats he wears over the course of a shoot. He's half actor, producer, writer, director and costume designer at this point, and has been given the chance to inject his own ideas into the scripts, controlling what Bond wears, and even who should be cast in vital roles each time filming of another Bond movie rolls around.

    Some criticizing Dan for taking things too seriously must not seem to get it. They forget the massive work he does for each movie beyond any acting, that sets him apart from all who have come before, and make his job that much more difficult to pull of. Many see it as a weakness and sign of inferiority in comparison to her father that Barbara allows a Bond actor this much control during production, but I see it as a strength. Since the beginning, Barbara has stood by Dan when the whole world hated him for the part, and ushered him in with a film that made the critics stick their words where the sun can't shine. It's a testament to Dan as an actor, creator and visionary that he handled the hate head one, and that since then he has been given such a large part of the Bond world to play with, with endless opportunities during the shooting of each movie to become even more involved in the production process beyond working in front of the camera.

    Unlike any Bond before, Dan is not just Bond, but also one of the major creative driving forces behind the franchise right now, steering it in directions he is interested in alongside Barbara and Michael. He is come to with every decision made, and seriously asked for his views on where Bond is going each time around. When Dan is done in the role, EON will not only lose one of the best Bond actors we'll ever see play the role, but also one of the greatest contributors to the Bond legend behind the camera there's ever been in everything extra he was able to bring along with him during his tenure, and the many areas of production he aided and influenced over that time to make his Bond films so great. The time following his departure should be viewed like that of Cubby's, a time of worry and apprehension of what can come after such a great, tested and influential contributor has left the franchise.

    Disposable, my ass.

    Fine work Sir.

    Dan has gone nowhere yet and Babs will move heaven and earth to keep him.

    Now he has a producing credit I wonder how much more input she would let him have? Mendes isn't coming back (I'm talking about the director not the Turner fluffer on here alas) so if she said to Dan 'who do you want to direct?' and let him have a hand in thrashing out the story would it be enough to get him back?

    Apart from stellar names such as Scorcese or Spielberg the vast majority of directors I'm sure would love a crack at Bond.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 6,601
    Germanlady wrote: »
    @Mendes - Yadayadayada. Some of what you say is so cringeworthy, it hurts. And no, just for you, I hope, Turner won't get the job. Nobody would survive that with you around. You can be glad, many people here are so polite with you, despite rolling eyes. Well, I am not.

    It's about to go downnnnnnn. In all seriousness, calm it, we're all friends here. :)


    That is a serious misbelief -we are people, who don't know each other and share a certain interest. Yes, some here and on other boards become friends, but that is the exception., And yes, we should be polite with each other, but more polite then we would be in normal life? And with people, who don't give a damn? No Sir, that is unrealistic, I am sorry to say.

    I have always been outspoken without dressing it up. Some people like that, other don't. Such is life. ;)
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 11,119
    All this fuss...

    It'll be a fart in the wind like last time. They aren't going to issue a minutes silence or a national holiday when Craig leaves. The general public just don't feel the same way that some of us think they do. If they did then the papers would be writing articles about Craig staying rather than leaving. It's that simple. They will love Craig while he is Bond, then forget him when he leaves. The only two actors where that hasn't been the case is Connery (because he was the first) and Moore (because he has traded on his Bond persona ever since and become a national tresaue in his own right, unlike other actors). I could understand where certain among us were coming from were they talking about Han Solo or Indiana Jones, because only one man has ever played those characters on the big screen (not counting River Phoenix). People are used to this happening with Bond. Craig will move on, and so will the public. I think we can all stop acting like the nation and the world won't know how to cope without Craig. Sure, they will look back fondly in the same way that people who were young during Brosnans rein might look back fondly on that era. But the idea that " EON will have a hard time replacing Craig" is patently untrue. In fact the opposite is true. EON could throw any early thirties actor into the tux and as long as they had the looks and a smidgeon of charm, the media storm would take care of the rest. Craig is and has always been disposable, which makes him no different than any other Bond actor. Like I said, a fart in the wind.

    I wonder if Turner would be viewed as just as disposable if, by some devil soul-selling, he won the role? Of course, I won't waste time entertaining a pedestrian fantasy.


    It's clear to anyone who bothers to use their eyes that Craig is certainly not disposable, a rather pathetic comparison to make of a man who had to, from day one, face a storm of media hatred that was the biggest wave of pressure placed on a Bond since poor old Laz had to step in on Sean's territory in 1968 and try to deliver.

    The Craig era has marked a significant shake up in the Bond world, and rightfully so. Beforehand, people saw the films as what they always have been (and still are): event entertainment. But since Dan has been in the role and has been given a chance to play with the character, the series has carried a far more sophisticated flair and depth to it that it simply didn't before. Brosnan's films were fun rides to many, and great to put on when an adrenaline fueled rush was needed, much like Moore's were great for just being transported around the world with phenomenal location shooting. They were very much meant, first and foremost, for their entertainment value on a highly visual level, between the action and locations and other aspects of the Bond formula, like the main titles.

    But in the Craig era, a greater ambition was carried beyond aesthetics, and the films tackled extremely real world concerns in a smart way that really deepened Bond and his world. CR spoke of funded terrorism and enemies we can't see, and how we can often be so focused on those enemies that we forget to guard our allies. QoS played up pseudo-ecological interests and how corporate or other private interests can manipulate and turn the tides of governments and policies in their favor; Greene was a man almost too real to stomach. SF dealt with the nature of human soldiers versus the increasing technological capabilities that threaten the existence of the former in a world where our enemies can be those with just a keyboard and an anger fueled agenda, all while questioning whether drones with no human reasoning are really the best way to fight our battles. SP continues what SF began, showing us once again the dangers and drawbacks of a highly-technological world, for all its progress, especially when surveillance cheapens our privacy at the same moment it tries to protect us.

    The Craig era has asked very big questions that have faced the world as they've been filmed and Dan as Bond is largely responsible for that, because 007 is put in the center of all of these issues in a way other Bonds haven't before. Many times in the Craig era, Bond's whole existence is threatened, and the films engage you to think about the very real world issues they're presenting in a way that the Bond films really haven't done since the tail end of Moore's era where, quite surprisingly, the campy films took the time to comment on a developing détente between Britain and the Soviet Union during a time when western influence was actually having a positive impact on the lands it was seeping into. The issue there, however, was that the warming relations of the Brits and Ruskies didn't really fit in tonally amongst all the jokes and one-liners that always ran so rampant during that era. The Craig era, however, deals everything with a straight face and makes you really confront these issues. Dan is the mighty fulcrum on which all of this spins, and without an actor this great, a lot of it would fall to shreds, because you wouldn't be invested in Bond enough to care about all the rest.

    And of course, Dan's involvement off screen has been above and beyond what has come before. This is a man who has gotten down and dirty in the stunts aspect of the role, throwing himself at anything they'll let him do to ensure that the audience gets their money's worth and actually sees their Bond in action as much as possible on screen. whether it's in a fist fight in a crowded hotel room or a tussle on the top of a speeding train. Secondly, he's been heavily involved in the writer's room, and in the case of QoS, actually wrote some of it himself to save the film during the strike. Thirdly, Dan's talent and interpretation of the character has attracted big name talent to the role, including Academy Award winners and some of the greatest people working in the film industry today. Without Dan, we have no Mendes or Bardem, and who knows how QoS would've panned out if he wasn't on hand to steer the ship the best he could in front of and behind the camera. He's takes on such a vast amount of work each time a Bond film is being produced, and it's truly astonishing how many hats he wears over the course of a shoot. He's half actor, producer, writer, director and costume designer at this point, and has been given the chance to inject his own ideas into the scripts, controlling what Bond wears, and even who should be cast in vital roles each time filming of another Bond movie rolls around.

    Some criticizing Dan for taking things too seriously must not seem to get it. They forget the massive work he does for each movie beyond any acting, that sets him apart from all who have come before, and make his job that much more difficult to pull of. Many see it as a weakness and sign of inferiority in comparison to her father that Barbara allows a Bond actor this much control during production, but I see it as a strength. Since the beginning, Barbara has stood by Dan when the whole world hated him for the part, and ushered him in with a film that made the critics stick their words where the sun can't shine. It's a testament to Dan as an actor, creator and visionary that he handled the hate head one, and that since then he has been given such a large part of the Bond world to play with, with endless opportunities during the shooting of each movie to become even more involved in the production process beyond working in front of the camera.

    Unlike any Bond before, Dan is not just Bond, but also one of the major creative driving forces behind the franchise right now, steering it in directions he is interested in alongside Barbara and Michael. He is come to with every decision made, and seriously asked for his views on where Bond is going each time around. When Dan is done in the role, EON will not only lose one of the best Bond actors we'll ever see play the role, but also one of the greatest contributors to the Bond legend behind the camera there's ever been in everything extra he was able to bring along with him during his tenure, and the many areas of production he aided and influenced over that time to make his Bond films so great. The time following his departure should be viewed like that of Cubby's, a time of worry and apprehension of what can come after such a great, tested and influential contributor has left the franchise. I'm not saying that he dislikes the previous

    Disposable, my ass.

    You are my man. I think I love you now. Let's marry :-D. By the way, Sir Sean Connery repeatedly said he's a big fan of Daniel Craig.
    I'm not saying that he dislikes the previous Bond actors before Craig. In fact, he never really said something about them. But the fact is Connery himself suddenly had more to say about Craig once Craig became Bond. Craig and Connery are my Bond-gods.
  • You all might like to know that in imdb's current poll of who should be the next James Bond, Aidan Turner (whom I had never heard of before this thread) is being soundly beaten by Idris Elba, Emilia Clarke, Danny DeVito, Gillian Anderson, and Jennifer Lawrence, among others. He's pulling just barely ahead of Indian actress and future Baywatch star Priyanka Chopra and Jaime Bell (who may or may not be in Baywatch - I haven't checked). To his credit, Aidan Turner is beating he of Bio-Dome fame, Pauly Shore, and Roger Moore, who in all fairness will be turning 90 next year. So there's hope for Aidan yet!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    @Mendes - Yadayadayada. Some of what you say is so cringeworthy, it hurts. And no, just for you, I hope, Turner won't get the job. Nobody would survive that with you around. You can be glad, many people here are so polite with you, despite rolling eyes. Well, I am not.

    It's about to go downnnnnnn. In all seriousness, calm it, we're all friends here. :)


    That is a serious misbelief -we are people, who don't know each other and share a certain interest. Yes, some here and on other boards become friends, but that is the exception., And yes, we should be polite with each other, but more polite then we would be in normal life? And with people, who don't give a damn? No Sir, that is unrealistic, I am sorry to say.

    I have always been outspoken without dressing it up. Some people like that, other don't. Such is life. ;)

    More sane words from the continent. GL will have me voting Remain if she carries on like this.
    You all might like to know that in imdb's current poll of who should be the next James Bond, Aidan Turner (whom I had never heard of before this thread) is being soundly beaten by Idris Elba, Emilia Clarke, Danny DeVito, Gillian Anderson, and Jennifer Lawrence, among others. He's pulling just barely ahead of Indian actress and future Baywatch star Priyanka Chopra and Jaime Bell (who may or may not be in Baywatch - I haven't checked). To his credit, Aidan Turner is beating he of Bio-Dome fame, Pauly Shore, and Roger Moore, who in all fairness will be turning 90 next year. So there's hope for Aidan yet!

    Thats @Mendes sorted for the rest of the day setting up fake e-mail addresses so he can vote for Turner and at least get him on a par with DeVito.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    You know, It's funny, SP was the first time that Craig said he felt comfortable just acting (because he trusted Mendes could handle the rest) and yet SP is the first time he is given coproducer credit. That's kind of a conundrum if you think about it.
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    You know, It's funny, SP was the first time that Craig said he felt comfortable just acting (because he trusted Mendes could handle the rest) and yet SP is the first time he is given coproducer credit. That's kind of a conundrum if you think about it.

    Gosh, that happens, if you DONT read and listen carefully. He talked about, how they watched each others back and how that made it easier and more relaxed for him to do his job.

    So - if you need to pick on him, make your homework properly.

  • DisneyBond007DisneyBond007 Welwyn Garden City
    Posts: 100
    Germanlady wrote: »
    You know, It's funny, SP was the first time that Craig said he felt comfortable just acting (because he trusted Mendes could handle the rest) and yet SP is the first time he is given coproducer credit. That's kind of a conundrum if you think about it.

    God, that happens, if you DONT read and listen carefully. He talked about, how they watched each others back and how that made it easier and more relaxed for him to do his job.

    So - if you need to pick on him, make your homework properly.

    I'll eat my hat then ;-)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    If DC is truly done, there will inevitably be a period of adjustment and grieving from those who loved him as Bond. Reading some of these comments has been depressing because they almost seem like epitaphs, when he would just be going on to better things in my view. More importantly, if he's leaving, it will be by choice unlike his predecessor.

    I'm first and foremost a Bond fan and a DC fan second. As long as EON picks a decent actor for this very important job, I'll be fine with it. The show will go on from strength to strength and I very much look forward to the next one because it will be a truly formidable Bond film and most probably a top 10 for me (based on evidence of other Bond actor's first efforts).
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    Germanlady wrote: »
    You know, It's funny, SP was the first time that Craig said he felt comfortable just acting (because he trusted Mendes could handle the rest) and yet SP is the first time he is given coproducer credit. That's kind of a conundrum if you think about it.

    God, that happens, if you DONT read and listen carefully. He talked about, how they watched each others back and how that made it easier and more relaxed for him to do his job.

    So - if you need to pick on him, make your homework properly.

    I'll eat my hat then ;-)

    Is it one of those Mickey ears hats? ;)

    JUST KIDDING
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,713
    bondjames wrote: »
    I very much look forward to the next one because it will be a truly formidable Bond film and most probably a top 10 for me (based on evidence of other Bond actor's first efforts).

    Which is interesting, @bondjames, since in about 30 years' time, the franchise will reach its 10th actor in the lead role. Assuming they all make 4 films like Broz and Craig, and all of their debut outings are classics, the 1st outings will represent 10 films (top 10) out of 37 films. Which will be hard to rank, since films like OP, TSWLM, GF, FRWL, LTK are really, really good, and would be outside the top 10 by that point.
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