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  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited April 2019 Posts: 5,970
    @ClarkDevlin Of course, Bond being a ladies man will always be part of the canon, but like you say, Bond not bedding someone every minutes won't be and I think some people confuse the two. I don't really care if he sleeps with them, but there'll always be that flirtiness between Bond and his leading ladies.

    And I'm just gonna quote myself in case anyone missed it...
    Denbigh wrote: »
    By the way, I was rewatching an interview with Ana de Armas, Lea Seydoux and Naomie Harris and they mentioned some things which I found interesting.

    Firstly, Ana mentioned "filming in Jamaica and London", before revealing she's not sure where else, so maybe her filming is limited to those locations.

    Lea Seydoux revealed she's looking forward to "explore Madeleine" (I'm looking at you Norway sequence), and finally...

    Naomie Harris revealed that, "Quite a lot of time has past since Spectre, by the time the film is released it'll be five years, half a decade, Moneypenny has grown up somewhat and still has that soft spot for Bond. That's never gonna go, but she's an independant woman with her own life." and she feels as though "the making of Bond 25 is like a rebirth, there'll be a completely new energy in this film."

    Loving what I'm hearing. Here's the video if you wanna hear for yourself.

  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    I think people want Arnold back because he's the safe choice. He knows Bond music, whether you like his scores or not. We don't know if any new composer will respect the Bond tradition. For me, as long as they have the Bond theme at appropriate moments, and the theme song integrated into the movie, I'm happy.
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

    Exactly. They can make him a ladies man and still bed x number of women, except in this day and age they won't be easy targets. No more Molly Warmflash or Patricia Fearing type stuff. I'm happy with some banter before they get on with it.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    @jake24 I read the first page. It's handy if you've gone away from the forums for a while and you want to catch up on the latest news. The thread title changes all the time and will be lost forever if it wasn't documented. If the word limit has been reached, you could truncate it slowly when you have time and only include major news like composer, etc. News relating to production/filming can go in the other thread
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited April 2019 Posts: 5,970
    w2bond wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

    Exactly. They can make him a ladies man and still bed x number of women, except in this day and age they won't be easy targets. No more Molly Warmflash or Patricia Fearing type stuff. I'm happy with some banter before they get on with it.

    @ClarkDevlin @w2bond I mean it seems 007 will have a romantic involvement of some kind with Ana de Armas' character from what she has said in interviews. She mentions not being a damsel, and that she "doesn’t fall for Bond because he’s handsome or because its an affair. It’s more than that." Although this could either mean that their relationships feels somewhat genuine, or that she doesn't fall for 007. I'm still holding out hope that she'll be a villainous femme-fatale, but the way her characters being described makes me think otherwise.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    w2bond wrote: »
    I think people want Arnold back because he's the safe choice. He knows Bond music, whether you like his scores or not. We don't know if any new composer will respect the Bond tradition. For me, as long as they have the Bond theme at appropriate moments, and the theme song integrated into the movie, I'm happy.
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

    Exactly. They can make him a ladies man and still bed x number of women, except in this day and age they won't be easy targets. No more Molly Warmflash or Patricia Fearing type stuff. I'm happy with some banter before they get on with it.
    I agree. Let there be a build up between him and his lady companion so we could feel the heat the way they’re feeling it. You’d root for them to get it on rather than just going the way of Patricia Fearing and whatnot.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

    At one of my jobs I work with a crew that is 95% female; trust me women overwhelmingly are attracted to “ Casanova’s” ; not abusive men , but alpha-males who enjoy the company of woman and approach life in a bold manner.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    talos7 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

    At one of my jobs I work with a crew that is 95% female; trust me women overwhelmingly are attracted to “ Casanova’s” ; not abusive men , but alpha-males who enjoy the company of woman and approach life in a bold manner.
    Indeed. And as far as I'm concerned, Bond is exactly that. That's why a lot of us want to be him.
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
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    I'll keep it simple.

    If by #MeToo BB means that Bond won't have it easy with ladies, I can live with that. Dalton had only a single girl (and a small flirt with Lupe). Also, as MGW said, Bond has been respectful to women for a long while. Like @ClarkDevlin said, Bond doesn't have to bed girls every five seconds, but I hope he will be as seductive as ever and will have his moment with Paloma for sure.

    Now, if by #MeToo she means the four girls will be giving him lessons on how to treat a girl and point him that every slight eyebrow raise is sexual harrassment... well, I'll always have GoldenEye. ;)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    NS_writings wrote: »
    I'll keep it simple.

    If by #MeToo BB means that Bond won't have it easy with ladies, I can live with that. Dalton had only a single girl (and a small flirt with Lupe). Also, as MGW said, Bond has been respectful to women for a long while. Like @ClarkDevlin said, Bond doesn't have to bed girls every five seconds, but I hope he will be as seductive as ever and will have his moment with Paloma for sure.

    Now, if by #MeToo she means the four girls will be giving him lessons on how to treat a girl and point him that every slight eyebrow raise is sexual harrassment... well, I'll always have GoldenEye. ;)
    +1
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
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    I don't have a problem with Bond bedding women as long as its consensual.

    But I also don't have a problem with fleshing out female characters and to have them exist outside of bedding Bond or being as capable physically as Bond. Bond girls are part of what attracts me to the franchise IMHO, so I see no wrong in that.

    You can also turn the concept on its head like they did in the 60's (no less!!) with Fiona Volpe using her sexuality as a weapon just like Bond.

    The sacrificial lamb trope has gotten kind of old, though.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited April 2019 Posts: 5,970
    NS_writings wrote: »
    Now, if by #MeToo she means the four girls will be giving him lessons on how to treat a girl and point him that every slight eyebrow raise is sexual harrassment... well, I'll always have GoldenEye. ;)
    This won't be the case. Phoebe Waller-Bridge is a great, versatile writer and not only is she good at writing strong female characters, and good humours, she's very good with realistic sexual chemistry.
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
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    Didn't Moneypenny accuse Bond of sexual harrasment and he said what's the penalty for that?

    HAHA, GoldenEye was ahead of its time.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    FrankXavier wrote: »
    Didn't Moneypenny accuse Bond of sexual harrasment and he said what's the penalty for that?

    HAHA, GoldenEye was ahead of its time.

    "Someday you'll have to make good on you innuendoes", she then says. Oh, the good old times of easy banter and flirting.
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
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    FrankXavier wrote: »
    Didn't Moneypenny accuse Bond of sexual harrasment and he said what's the penalty for that?

    HAHA, GoldenEye was ahead of its time.

    Yep, but it was made in a playful, joking way. I'm even working on a piece on how GE embraced political correctness by laughing at it.
    Denbigh wrote: »
    NS_writings wrote: »
    Now, if by #MeToo she means the four girls will be giving him lessons on how to treat a girl and point him that every slight eyebrow raise is sexual harrassment... well, I'll always have GoldenEye. ;)

    This won't be the case. Phoebe Waller-Bridge is a great, versatile writer and not only is she good at writing strong female characters, and good humours, she's very good with realistic sexual chemistry.

    Hope so!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I'm really excited to see Ana and Lashana's final looks in the film :)
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    NS_writings wrote: »
    Now, if by #MeToo she means the four girls will be giving him lessons on how to treat a girl and point him that every slight eyebrow raise is sexual harrassment... well, I'll always have GoldenEye. ;)
    This won't be the case. Phoebe Waller-Bridge is a great, versatile writer and not only is she good at writing strong female characters, and good humours, she's very good with realistic sexual chemistry.

    Did she write her lines for Solo? I remember some of her lines were a little on the nose
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    NS_writings wrote: »
    Now, if by #MeToo she means the four girls will be giving him lessons on how to treat a girl and point him that every slight eyebrow raise is sexual harrassment... well, I'll always have GoldenEye. ;)
    This won't be the case. Phoebe Waller-Bridge is a great, versatile writer and not only is she good at writing strong female characters, and good humours, she's very good with realistic sexual chemistry.

    Did she write her lines for Solo? I remember some of her lines were a little on the nose
    I doubt it. They may have been aware of her writing credits, but they seem so seperate from her usual style that I can only imagine they were originally in the script. Plus, with her lines having to be edited into the film, those lines would've been set in the script which was written by the Kasdan's.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
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    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Madeleine will be the main Bond girl. I will be shocked if Bond is seduced by another girl in the film.

    Did you all forget Bond left his job for her??
    Which made no sense at all. Because none of that was earned. I didn’t sense for a moment that he really fell for her. The writers just shoehorned that whole thing in. She does an evaluation of him at the clinic, then he saves her from Hinx, next thing you know they’re making out on the train like crazy, and all of sudden she’s the love of his life and he’s quitting the service because of her? I don’t buy that for a second!

    With Vesper you felt it and saw the relationship develop. Bond resigning from the service for her made perfect sense. With Maddy it came out of nowhere.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    ringfire211 wrote: »
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Madeleine will be the main Bond girl. I will be shocked if Bond is seduced by another girl in the film.

    Did you all forget Bond left his job for her??
    Which made no sense at all. Because none of that was earned. I didn’t sense for a moment that he really fell for her. The writers just shoehorned that whole thing in. She does an evaluation of him at the clinic, then he saves her from Hinx, next thing you know they’re making out on the train like crazy, and all of sudden she’s the love of his life and he’s quitting the service because of her? I don’t buy that for a second!

    With Vesper you felt it and saw the relationship develop. Bond resigning from the service for her made perfect sense. With Maddy it came out of nowhere.

    True, Blofeld is coming back for the same reasons, they wrote themselves into a corner. Christoph Waltz can't pull a George Lazenby, or people will never let him forget it!
  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    Waltz will likely play a similar role as white did in spectre. Bond finds oberhauser, he tells him how evil maleks character is. Oberhauser either kills himself or is dying already. Something like that.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    I think people want Arnold back because he's the safe choice. He knows Bond music, whether you like his scores or not. We don't know if any new composer will respect the Bond tradition. For me, as long as they have the Bond theme at appropriate moments, and the theme song integrated into the movie, I'm happy.
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

    Exactly. They can make him a ladies man and still bed x number of women, except in this day and age they won't be easy targets. No more Molly Warmflash or Patricia Fearing type stuff. I'm happy with some banter before they get on with it.
    I agree. Let there be a build up between him and his lady companion so we could feel the heat the way they’re feeling it. You’d root for them to get it on rather than just going the way of Patricia Fearing and whatnot.
    I just hope we get a hot sex scene and orgasm like in DAD :)

    “They feast.... like there’s no tomorrow”

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,604
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Waltz will likely play a similar role as white did in spectre. Bond finds oberhauser, he tells him how evil maleks character is. Oberhauser either kills himself or is dying already. Something like that.

    Blofeld is more likely in prison. Maybe a Hannibal Lecter type role.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    ringfire211 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    I think people want Arnold back because he's the safe choice. He knows Bond music, whether you like his scores or not. We don't know if any new composer will respect the Bond tradition. For me, as long as they have the Bond theme at appropriate moments, and the theme song integrated into the movie, I'm happy.
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

    Exactly. They can make him a ladies man and still bed x number of women, except in this day and age they won't be easy targets. No more Molly Warmflash or Patricia Fearing type stuff. I'm happy with some banter before they get on with it.
    I agree. Let there be a build up between him and his lady companion so we could feel the heat the way they’re feeling it. You’d root for them to get it on rather than just going the way of Patricia Fearing and whatnot.
    I just hope we get a hot sex scene and orgasm like in DAD :)

    “They feast.... like there’s no tomorrow”
    No arguments from me. :D
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    I think people want Arnold back because he's the safe choice. He knows Bond music, whether you like his scores or not. We don't know if any new composer will respect the Bond tradition. For me, as long as they have the Bond theme at appropriate moments, and the theme song integrated into the movie, I'm happy.
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    One of the reasons some of us like the cinematic Bond is because of his Casanova personality. One of his traits is that he knows how to get women. The film doesn’t have to make him sleep with one every five minutes. Just don’t make him some uninteresting and pedestrian celibate. There are a lot of other franchises for that, including the Bourne series. If you want to take Bond’s womanizing trait away, you’re deconstructing him. In fact, Bond should up his game after we’re done with the Madeleine angle. He’s first and foremost a suave ladies man.

    Exactly. They can make him a ladies man and still bed x number of women, except in this day and age they won't be easy targets. No more Molly Warmflash or Patricia Fearing type stuff. I'm happy with some banter before they get on with it.
    I agree. Let there be a build up between him and his lady companion so we could feel the heat the way they’re feeling it. You’d root for them to get it on rather than just going the way of Patricia Fearing and whatnot.
    I just hope we get a hot sex scene and orgasm like in DAD :)

    “They feast.... like there’s no tomorrow”
    No arguments from me. :D

    Seconded.
  • Agent7FAgent7F
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    AgentJamesBond007 wrote: »
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    I want to see Arnold return as much as the next guy, but let's be honest here, the composer won't realistically be announced this year. Probably around February I'd say.
    There's no reason to think that. Newman doing the score for Skyfall and SPECTRE was announced a year before the movie's release.

    Not that I recall for SPECTRE. It was around the time the singer/title song was announced that we officially got word that Newman was doing it.
    Newman was confirmed at the press launch in December 2014.

    That's odd. I wonder how I avoided that news for so long.

    Mendes stated it here (at about 3:45)


    That great & never Forgotten
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
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    I’ll try to keep an open mind with the possibility of Waltz returning, but I really thought his portrayal of blofeld was terrible, the worst in the series/nsna actually (I blame the script and Mendes, not Waltz, who could have actually been great in that role). I though the scene with him walking out of the shadow to reveal the scar was cringeworthy, and I don’t know that I would be able to get it out of my head while watching him in bond 25. I really wish they would just move on from spectre, which I have absolutely no investment in and have only watched for a few scenes/ because it’s a bond movie.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Waltz will likely play a similar role as white did in spectre. Bond finds oberhauser, he tells him how evil maleks character is. Oberhauser either kills himself or is dying already. Something like that.

    I hope so.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Since they already retconned Casino Royale, Quantum, and Skyfall in Spectre, hopefully they have the balls to change up blofeld in this one.
  • BondishFanlikeBondishFanlike
    Posts: 18
    I'm more interested this time than in previous disappointments. Simply because "save the kidnapped scientist" is such a classic/cliche/trope of the genre.
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