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Well said @RC7. Madeleine isn't Vesper. And that wasn't Mendes intention, to create a Vesper 2.0.
You know, I am gay. I never HAD a normal relationship. All these wonderful love situations between Bond and a girl might happen in a linear fashion. But trust me, the love relationship between Madeleine and James looks entirely believable when compared with my 'love life'. Hmm, it could actually be great stuff for a movie :-o.
@Milovy I'm thinking you have no idea of how a film is made, especially during the writers strike (QOS), and then, no matter what the haters say about SP, no one goes out and purposefully makes a film they think ppl will hate-on.
It's just the nature of the biz.
And @Creasy47, shoe-horned could also be applied to the Nolan Batman Trilogy. Outside of Marvel/Disney, no one can plan the next film until the previous film hits audiences-- that includes DEADPOOL (They are now planning the sequel, as other franchises do, based on the success of the first film).
Put the cyanide pill away, old man.
I don't want another main Bond girl death either, its too soon after Vesper and yes Craig already had his revenge film so they should get rid off her differently maybe just explain in the mission briefering why the broke up and that's it.
Give a small explanation of Madeline to the people didn't see Spectre and move on with a regular mission.
Actually it be cool if Craig had one proper mission film to say goodbye it would mean the character From Dr No-Die Another day is back. The arc is closed and Craig is the ideal guy to say we are back to the old days i just presented you before how the legened started.
As much as we never had a real timeline i just can't stop thinking that from Casino Royale to Spectre was the prequel to the latter films. A small series within the series.
Tanner - "What happened?"
Bond - "Madeline accidentally ejected herself from the DB5 as we headed down to that cottage in Dorset on the M3."
Tanner - "My lord James, so sorry."
Bond - "Oh she's not dead. Apparently she'll never walk again though."
Tanner - "And the DB5?"
Bond - "Got hit by a white van on the hard shoulder. Complete write off. Guy was trying to adjust his sat nav or something."
Bye bye Madeline (without killing her)
Bye bye DB5
Everyone's a winner. Lovely jubbly.
...and then Mathis comes back, hitting Bond on the head. "Thanks for me leaving me in the dumpster! As you can see I wasn't dead yet!"
(end non-serious suggestion)
Is the nature of the 'biz' to leave a bloke to write a script unsupervised and then only check it at the 11th hour at which point you realise it's shit so you get a couple of cowboys in to do a botch job to fix it 5 minutes before you start filming?
Of course EON didn't go out to make a shit film but nor did they seem to put many checks and balances in place to stop it turning out shit either.
Not knowing what was going on inside the heads of the producers during SPECTRE, I'll just guess that they thought they had hired well (Mendes and Logan), and didn't need to babysit them during the development of the script.
And yes, I'm sure there were meetings re: the script before Logan sat down to write, but who knows when he came up with some of his zany ideas (i.e. Blofeld as a warlord). He could have started to add these bits in during the writing process, thinking they were brilliant ideas.
It was obvious that the script delivered was not the script Babs and company had green lit.
In the end, Wizard, if you can produce a better film than SPECTRE, I'll be first in line to see it.
On a hardcore Bond forum like this, you will find people who agree with you. In terms of the general audience, who makes up for 99% of the population which goes to see Bond films, you will find you are very much alone if you want more continuity. Only Bond fans care for that. In the last 54 years the general audience has proven time and time again they will lap up any kind of Bond films even if continuity is non-existent.
To be fair it's not that complex. A lot of Bond teasers/PTS start in the middle of something, a mini-adventure if you will - eg. Goldfinger, Thunderball, Spectre, - all you need to know is that the guy in the boot is a bad guy, why else would Bond have him in the boot whilst being chased by guntoting people in cars? Then you learn more about him in the dialogue scene with M whilst he's hooked up to an IV - he's part of a shadowy organisation that has people 'everywhere' - seems pretty easy to follow to me. You don't need to know anything from CR to follow that, QoS never felt like a proper sequel to me, it feels more standalone, eg. new villain and new problem.
http://deadline.com/2016/08/sam-mendes-james-and-the-giant-peach-movie-live-action-disney-1201809068/
The big reason I would like Mendes to return is for him to complete his trilogy. Just as much as Spectre closes Craig's arc, there are a still a lot of dangling threads.
Also if EON could get Mendes back, Craig would inevitably return.
Should we take this news to be further confirmation that Craig is out?
I always thought the Bonds were even more collaborative than most with the producers steering the writing firmly where they wanted it to go so I'm not in the camp that can absolve EON from much of the blame here.
Either they took no interest and let Logan do what he wanted which is dereliction of duty or they were hands on and the final script for SP is exactly what they wanted in which case they are incompetent.
If you want to give me a cheque for $250m I'll happily have a bash. In case you all want to crowdsource a Wizard produced Bond here's a few nuggets I can reveal:
1. No P&W.
2. No Thomas Newman.
3. No Rory Kinnear.
4. No pissing on Fleming's characters by having Bond's nemesis turn out to be his stepbrother.
5. BJ Worth brought out of retirement to coordinate some actual stunts (remember those? Used to be big in the 80s).
6. A decent hand drawn poster.
7. I sure as f**k wouldn't blow up half the budget on a pointless and underwhelming explosion.
Forced super continuity.
Personal stories.
Mi6 Scooby gang. (Five Go Mad in Whitehall)
Scores not incorporating theme song.
Posters that look like fashion catalogues.
Small price to pay for some great films - and Spectre ;-)
Hahaha I seriously laughed out loud with that line...inspired,and I must admit I did think the same thing when I watched it !
What else is there to do whilst we wait for a sliver of info on Bond 25?
I laughed out loud!
I don't think Craig returning lives or dies on Mendes not being there to direct, I might be wrong but I get the feeling that their experience on SP wasn't like the one on SF.
I think both of them know SP wasn't the film that they wanted to make and had to make do with a rush job, Mendes wanted something with Mallory being the traitor and couldn't have it.
Craig I believe was willing to do something traditional but somehow though the foster brother angle was great idea and Mendes also got seduced by P&W most catastrophic drop of the ball of the series.
The fact both thought this was a good idea is plenty good reason that they are both gone.
That being said if they can formulate a proper script and one that doesn't need a drastic change at the last minute and DC returns to end his era with some class I'll accept him back no problem
Rewrites and tweaks are fine but in the last stages that script had much more than a polish it was completely overhauled and the fact they gave the job of saving it to the two guys who normally have their work polished just shows a huge oversight.
They should never step near another Bond script ever again and I think that was the intention till the Logan script went off the cliff.
If B25 comes out in 2018, then there is a higher chance that elements of SP will be incorporated into the story, but I don't believe we'll see Madeline again.
@thelivingroyale, I like your ideas for B25 above. If they must bring Blofeld back, try something new with him as you suggest. I'd even prefer him to be mentioned but not seen in B25.
I was shot down but I still like the idea of Swann as suicidal and the YOLT angle. I mean Swann being suicidal is or can be consistent with her psychological profile plus becomes less revenge for Bond and more driven by guilt . Most of us are not completely convinced Bond even loved Swann anyway.
Although I really don't want another revenge plot I admit I would love to see an adaption of YOLT.
If that would work or sell tickets I dunno.
And please not there is a higher prevalence of mood disorders in psychiatrists than another medical speciality.