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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Are we saying that they strike gold ever 4 films? In that case, bring it on. I can't wait!

    Yeah, and a new Bond is required for the spell to work!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    bondjames wrote: »
    Are we saying that they strike gold ever 4 films? In that case, bring it on. I can't wait!

    Yeah, and a new Bond is required for the spell to work!

    The more I think about it the more I'm convinced, that 4 could be the magic number from now on.

    The first will always be the best of the lot and the third the least good. That worked well for Brosnan and Craig.

    So if Actor No 7 will get 4 movies as well, we will get one classic for all ages and three good to very good movies.

    That'll make me more than happy.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    That s nonsense.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    bondjames wrote: »
    Are we saying that they strike gold ever 4 films? In that case, bring it on. I can't wait!

    Yeah, and a new Bond is required for the spell to work!

    The more I think about it the more I'm convinced, that 4 could be the magic number from now on.

    The first will always be the best of the lot and the third the least good. That worked well for Brosnan and Craig.

    So if Actor No 7 will get 4 movies as well, we will get one classic for all ages and three good to very good movies.

    That'll make me more than happy.

    Yes, this is what I'm thinking. B25 will probably be the best of the next four films. Plus the new Actor will benefit from a fresh approach.
  • ggl007 wrote: »
    Wanda confirms major Sony alliance: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/wanda-confirms-major-sony-alliance-932028

    a) Did they convince them, thanks to Bond? or...

    b) Is there now another reason for EON to say yes to Sony?

    I'm not fond of the idea to let Sony be distributor again. EON Productions already faces two movie companies every new Bond production: MGM and a distributor. Chairman Wang Jianlin may be a charismatic chairman, but it does mean that EON needs to take into account the wishes of Wanda Cinemas as well.

    Moreover, the Chinese market becomes slightly saturated as well. Disney has a big finger in entertainment affairs as well. Recently the biggest Disneyland opened in China, and that's a bit of a marketing vehicle too.

    My gut feeling tells me that Warner Brothers will become the next movie distributor. EON is facing hardships, MGM is gacing hardships, Warner is facing hardships..........and in a way that's a positive thing for a new Bond production. No excessive high expectations anymore.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    That s nonsense.

    What've I told you about goading the pre-schoolers? It's supposed to be their nap time.

  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited September 2016 Posts: 4,116
    Since negotiations may or may not be going on ...or at least no announcement I'm just guessing that maybe strong chance will end up renewing with Sony. At some point I imagine MGM if they haven't gone belly up will trying to start distributing again. That's lost revenue and potential revenue.

    At least maybe in NA. Maybe?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited September 2016 Posts: 11,139
    ggl007 wrote: »
    Wanda confirms major Sony alliance: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/wanda-confirms-major-sony-alliance-932028

    a) Did they convince them, thanks to Bond? or...

    b) Is there now another reason for EON to say yes to Sony?

    Bond's got nothing to do with it. Sony made a dumb deal with their previous financier that allowed them to obviously partake in the profits but weren't obligated to share in the losses and let Sony take the full brunt of it, particularly tge GB movie. Naturally, Sony needed a new financier and Wanda were more than happy to oblige, particularly given the rate of proliferation of the company's reaching arm.

    Sony I'm sure would love to keep Bond but they need to stop dropping their pants and bending over so willingly for such crappy returns. If they're still negotiating they need to come up with a more satisfactory deal, especially after the huge losses Sony succumbed to and MGM's weakened position, with such bombs like Ben Hur.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I wanted to see Ben-Hur, but it was gone before I got the chance.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I wanted to see Ben-Hur, but it was gone before I got the chance.

    No surprise there!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I hope whoever green lighted that production is on the dole at this present time.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    It's obvious they had no interest in Ben-Hur. They were interested in capitalizing on the popularity and the success of the 1959 film of the same name. That's always the case.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    I don t know. How many of you slagging off the film saw the film?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited September 2016 Posts: 15,423
    It's even the same case with The Magnificent Seven. I mean... Who on Earth is interested in Seven Samurai? Not producers with large pockets full of green.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    I am not as versed in literary Bond as I should be. Recently there has been talk of an adaptation of the novel YOLT for Bond 25.
    For those who have read all of Flemings Bonds, which novel could be successfully translated to the big screen as effectively as Casino Royale? I'm sure opinions will vary
  • Posts: 5,767
    talos7 wrote: »
    I am not as versed in literary Bond as I should be. Recently there has been talk of an adaptation of the novel YOLT for Bond 25.
    For those who have read all of Flemings Bonds, which novel could be successfully translated to the big screen as effectively as Casino Royale? I'm sure opinions will vary
    Pretty much all of them, since the films so far had very little to do with the novels. Except maybe for FRWL, GF and OHMSS. And TB, but that was heavily based on a treatment by Fleming and McClory.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    I understand that but some books and stories lend themselves to adaptation better than others. Even with Flemings novels, some must be better suited than others.
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 19,339
    And even GF had the train scene in it which never made it onto the screen....but yep FRWL,OHMSS big time,next down the list would be CR, and to a lesser extent but still pretty accurate TB....

    Amazing (not) how most member's top 3 films or 3 of the most respected 007 films are the closest to Fleming's novels : FRWL,OHMSS,CR.

    LOADS of material,but all mixed up,eg : the aquarium fight from LTK is actually from Fleming's LALD novel @talos7
  • edited September 2016 Posts: 5,767
    talos7 wrote: »
    I understand that but some books and stories lend themselves to adaptation better than others. Even with Flemings novels, some must be better suited than others.
    I´d say of the short stories, 007 in NY and QoS are not made to become a film, but the rest could be nicely incorporated into a film. With the novels, all of them could be adapted pretty much completely, with more or less updating, and fleshing out of the story here and there. You´ll find some interesting suggestions some pages ago in this thread.

  • Posts: 19,339
    boldfinger wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I understand that but some books and stories lend themselves to adaptation better than others. Even with Flemings novels, some must be better suited than others.
    I´d say of the short stories, 007 in NY and QoS are not made to become a film, but the rest could be nicely incorporated into a film. With the novels, all of them could be adapted pretty much completely, with more or less updating, and fleshing out of the story here and there. You´ll find some interesting suggestions some pages ago in this thread.
    Spot on @boldfinger ..

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2016 Posts: 10,591
    It's both exciting and reassuring to know that come October 7th, there's a good chance that we will know whether Dan is returning or not. The date is getting closer and closer.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    the aquarium fight from LTK is actually from Fleming's LALD novel @talos7

    They should definitely incorporate unused Fleming material into films, like they did with LTK/LALD. That would be terrific.

    What they should stop doing is referencing old films. That's the one thing I'm really fed up with. Especially with reusing and modifying old villains and elements (volcano/crater lair, SPECTRE meeting, Blofeld's scar, etc.). I see that as a complete lack of creativeness.

    If they think smaller-scale homages and references are necessary, I'd also rather see something from the novels. For example, Bond eating scrambled eggs and bacon.
  • barryt007 wrote: »
    the aquarium fight from LTK is actually from Fleming's LALD novel @talos7

    They should definitely incorporate unused Fleming material into films, like they did with LTK/LALD. That would be terrific.

    What they should stop doing is referencing old films. That's the one thing I'm really fed up with. Especially with reusing and modifying old villains and elements (volcano/crater lair, SPECTRE meeting, Blofeld's scar, etc.). I see that as a complete lack of creativeness.

    If they think smaller-scale homages and references are necessary, I'd also rather see something from the novels. For example, Bond eating scrambled eggs and bacon.

    The thing is......after 24 (or 26) films there will always be inevitable referencing anyway. There's something not much...original stuff to do anymore after 54 years. A lot of scenes are merely 'accidental' references, and weren't born out of some deplorable uncreative motivation.

    Take for instance the white dinner jacket in SP. Look, before Bond actually wore a white dinner jacket, Roger Moore did so the last time in AVTAK. If I'm not mistaken, there were actually suggestions every now and then from Bond fans if it wouldn't be a nice idea to re-introduce one again after so many years?

    Moreso, white dinner jackets HAVE become slightly fashionable as of late. Not because of Bond, but because it's simply the case among fashion circles. In a similar way we saw the double-breasted jacket featured heavily in "Kingsman". But, all we do here then is slamming Bond for being uncreative.

    Most likely, a costume designer at one particular time had a hunch that's not even related to Bond. To Jany Temime introducing a white dinner jacket had everything to do with re-creating an Indy Jones/Casablanca-like exotic atmosphere.

    Same thing with 'hollow volcanoes'. To me, I truly loved Blofeld's re-imiganed 'crater lair'. Yes, it rings some bells, but come on that's not a 'lack of creativeness'. Within the Bond-formula I think it's actually more sinister than an ice palace. If you really dislike such a lair, then what else would you have done?? After 54 years?

    I mean come on, the idea of a villain's lair is in any case a typical Bond-esque thing to have. Just like lush designed casino interiors ("Casino Royale"), but also scarred and touched-up villains (Le Chiffre's bleeding eye, Renard's bullet hole, Trevelyan's scar, Hinx's steel nails, Xenia's thighs, MayDay's fashion choice).

    Lastly, you forget that by referencing old films, you are sometimes referencing Fleming as well. It's a bit easy to say that the aquarium fight from LALD therefore should be re-introduced again. Isn't that suddenly not one of your 'deplorable movie references'

    Frankly, to me these so called 'references' aren't the real problem of some films. I think there are a lot of Bond fans with this kind of attitude these days:
    angry-kid-eating.jpg

    The biggest problem as of late were inspirational problems and logical thinking during the writing process of a new Bond film. We have talked about that many times before. If we touch up that aspect, if we write slightly more logical storylines and get a bit rid of all the historical links between characters and continuity gymnastics, then we have a good Bond film on our hands.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    jake24 wrote: »
    It's both exciting and reassuring to know that come October 7th, there's a good chance that we will know whether Dan is returning or not. The date is getting closer and closer.

    I would love it if he made it clear either way. Then it would feel like something is actually happening.
  • jake24 wrote: »
    It's both exciting and reassuring to know that come October 7th, there's a good chance that we will know whether Dan is returning or not. The date is getting closer and closer.

    I would love it if he made it clear either way. Then it would feel like something is actually happening.

    I think people sometimes forget that at this very moment already things are happening for Bond #25. It's a misgiving to think that EON House is closed until December 31st. Lot's of pre-production stuff is already happening that we don't know off openly.

    This week's news that Michael Wilson went to LA to meet with Guy Ritchie at this stage is far from confirmed. But it does make logical sense. The Sam Mendes rumour was actually the first ever rumour back in 2010....and he turned out to be the evntual "Skyfall" director.

    I also think that's how EON works at first: Search for a new director (or try to let the same director coming back), lay out some common ideas, write the first story treatment during some brainstorm sessions later this year, etc. etc.

    That's how it goes really. Let's not forget that with Daniel Craig we usually had a very quiet post-premiere year. Just be patient, and also enjoy the secrecy at this stage! It actually made me turn to writing a bit. It's the nicest thing you can do as a Bond fan: fantasising, laying out possible scenario's, etc :-):
    https://spycommandfeatures.wordpress.com/the-spectre-of-bond-25/
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,400
    jake24 wrote: »
    It's both exciting and reassuring to know that come October 7th, there's a good chance that we will know whether Dan is returning or not. The date is getting closer and closer.

    I would love it if he made it clear either way. Then it would feel like something is actually happening.

    I think people sometimes forget that at this very moment already things are happening for Bond #25. It's a misgiving to think that EON House is closed until December 31st. Lot's of pre-production stuff is already happening that we don't know off openly.

    This week's news that Michael Wilson went to LA to meet with Guy Ritchie at this stage is far from confirmed. But it does make logical sense. The Sam Mendes rumour was actually the first ever rumour back in 2010....and he turned out to be the evntual "Skyfall" director.

    I also think that's how EON works at first: Search for a new director (or try to let the same director coming back), lay out some common ideas, write the first story treatment during some brainstorm sessions later this year, etc. etc.

    That's how it goes really. Let's not forget that with Daniel Craig we usually had a very quiet post-premiere year. Just be patient, and also enjoy the secrecy at this stage! It actually made me turn to writing a bit. It's the nicest thing you can do as a Bond fan: fantasising, laying out possible scenario's, etc :-):
    https://spycommandfeatures.wordpress.com/the-spectre-of-bond-25/

    Always the voice of optimism, @Gustav. ;)
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    Take for instance the white dinner jacket in SP. Look, before Bond actually wore a white dinner jacket, Roger Moore did so the last time in AVTAK. If I'm not mistaken, there were actually suggestions every now and then from Bond fans if it wouldn't be a nice idea to re-introduce one again after so many years?[/img]

    Yes, I was among those who suggested it here several years ago, but I wasn't talking about that type of referencing. Besides, that was a welcome change from the usual black/midnight blue dinner jacket Bond wears all the time.
    Same thing with 'hollow volcanoes'. To me, I truly loved Blofeld's re-imiganed 'crater lair'. Yes, it rings some bells, but come on that's not a 'lack of creativeness'. Within the Bond-formula I think it's actually more sinister than an ice palace. If you really dislike such a lair, then what else would you have done?? After 54 years?

    We will definitely disagree about that. Of course after 54 years some things will look similar, but blatant homages should be avoided. References should be subtle and barely noticeable to most people. That's why I was suggesting unused Fleming material instead of old films.

    Leave the past in the past, and be as original as possible.
    I think there are a lot of Bond fans with this kind of attitude these days:
    angry-kid-eating.jpg

    The kid doesn't like the food, that's completely legitimate. :)

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    barryt007 wrote: »
    the aquarium fight from LTK is actually from Fleming's LALD novel @talos7

    They should definitely incorporate unused Fleming material into films, like they did with LTK/LALD. That would be terrific.

    What they should stop doing is referencing old films. That's the one thing I'm really fed up with. Especially with reusing and modifying old villains and elements (volcano/crater lair, SPECTRE meeting, Blofeld's scar, etc.). I see that as a complete lack of creativeness.

    If they think smaller-scale homages and references are necessary, I'd also rather see something from the novels. For example, Bond eating scrambled eggs and bacon.

    The thing is......after 24 (or 26) films there will always be inevitable referencing anyway. There's something not much...original stuff to do anymore after 54 years. A lot of scenes are merely 'accidental' references, and weren't born out of some deplorable uncreative motivation.

    Take for instance the white dinner jacket in SP. Look, before Bond actually wore a white dinner jacket, Roger Moore did so the last time in AVTAK. If I'm not mistaken, there were actually suggestions every now and then from Bond fans if it wouldn't be a nice idea to re-introduce one again after so many years?

    Moreso, white dinner jackets HAVE become slightly fashionable as of late. Not because of Bond, but because it's simply the case among fashion circles. In a similar way we saw the double-breasted jacket featured heavily in "Kingsman". But, all we do here then is slamming Bond for being uncreative.

    Most likely, a costume designer at one particular time had a hunch that's not even related to Bond. To Jany Temime introducing a white dinner jacket had everything to do with re-creating an Indy Jones/Casablanca-like exotic atmosphere.

    Same thing with 'hollow volcanoes'. To me, I truly loved Blofeld's re-imiganed 'crater lair'. Yes, it rings some bells, but come on that's not a 'lack of creativeness'. Within the Bond-formula I think it's actually more sinister than an ice palace. If you really dislike such a lair, then what else would you have done?? After 54 years?

    I mean come on, the idea of a villain's lair is in any case a typical Bond-esque thing to have. Just like lush designed casino interiors ("Casino Royale"), but also scarred and touched-up villains (Le Chiffre's bleeding eye, Renard's bullet hole, Trevelyan's scar, Hinx's steel nails, Xenia's thighs, MayDay's fashion choice).

    Lastly, you forget that by referencing old films, you are sometimes referencing Fleming as well. It's a bit easy to say that the aquarium fight from LALD therefore should be re-introduced again. Isn't that suddenly not one of your 'deplorable movie references'

    Frankly, to me these so called 'references' aren't the real problem of some films. I think there are a lot of Bond fans with this kind of attitude these days:
    angry-kid-eating.jpg

    The biggest problem as of late were inspirational problems and logical thinking during the writing process of a new Bond film. We have talked about that many times before. If we touch up that aspect, if we write slightly more logical storylines and get a bit rid of all the historical links between characters and continuity gymnastics, then we have a good Bond film on our hands.

    Where do you rate shoving the DB5 down our throats in all this?

    That's not a mere coincidence. It's shameless fanwankery from Mendes.

    But your final paragraph holds true. Coming up with something original and creative is what is needed and any so called nods or homages should only be by accident, because you are making a Bond film and there are 24 others so it is inevitable. They should not be by design.

    The script writing process during the Mendes era seems to have been let's think of as many homages as we can and then after that we'll cobble together a plot around them.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited September 2016 Posts: 15,423
    The script writing process during the Mendes era seems to have been let's think of as many homages as we can and then after that we'll cobble together a plot around them.
    It's exactly that!
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    Posts: 871
    The script writing process during the Mendes era seems to have been let's think of as many homages as we can and then after that we'll cobble together a plot around them.
    It's exactly that!

    +1
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