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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Thanks, @MrBond.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    MrBond wrote: »
    According to the leaks Butterworth worked on the first two acts while P&W worked on the third act. This after Logan handed in the last script revision sometime late summer/early autumn 2014.
    P&W added scenes and refocused the climax before and during shooting and later added the torture-scene as late as April 2015. Butterworth polished dialogue and subtracted some scenes here and there in the first acts. I also believe (though not sure) that he wrote some scenes with M and Denbigh.
    I believe P&W also were responsible for refocusing scenes concerning Craig's injury later during shooting.
    All according the leaks, interviews and James Bond Archives.


    OSCAR WORTHY

    C: It's not personal, its the future, and... you're not.
    M: You're a cocky little bastard aren't you?
    C: I'll take that as a complement.
    M: I wouldn't.

    C: Don't tell me you're responsible for this.
    M: No, but my quartermaster is and he's extremely talented.
    C: Oh, bravo. But in case you hadn't realized it, you two are out of a job so you're trespassing.
    M: I'm afraid you've got the wrong end of the stick, Max. We're going to stop this system going online, and then I'm going to bring you in.

    C: You can't tell me an agent in the field can last long against all those drones and satellites.
    M: Yes, you have information. You can find out all about a man, track him down, keep an eye on him. But you have to look him in the eye. All the tech you have can't help you with that. A license to kill also means a license NOT to kill.

    latest?cb=20110705203442

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    The first two scenes are the worst written scenes in the film. The final was is one of the best, IMO.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    jake24 wrote: »
    The first two scenes are the worst written scenes in the film. The final was is one of the best, IMO.
    Agreed.

  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    dominicgreene wrote: »
    MrBond wrote: »
    According to the leaks Butterworth worked on the first two acts while P&W worked on the third act. This after Logan handed in the last script revision sometime late summer/early autumn 2014.
    P&W added scenes and refocused the climax before and during shooting and later added the torture-scene as late as April 2015. Butterworth polished dialogue and subtracted some scenes here and there in the first acts. I also believe (though not sure) that he wrote some scenes with M and Denbigh.
    I believe P&W also were responsible for refocusing scenes concerning Craig's injury later during shooting.
    All according the leaks, interviews and James Bond Archives.


    OSCAR WORTHY

    C: It's not personal, its the future, and... you're not.
    M: You're a cocky little bastard aren't you?
    C: I'll take that as a complement.
    M: I wouldn't.

    C: Don't tell me you're responsible for this.
    M: No, but my quartermaster is and he's extremely talented.
    C: Oh, bravo. But in case you hadn't realized it, you two are out of a job so you're trespassing.
    M: I'm afraid you've got the wrong end of the stick, Max. We're going to stop this system going online, and then I'm going to bring you in.

    C: You can't tell me an agent in the field can last long against all those drones and satellites.
    M: Yes, you have information. You can find out all about a man, track him down, keep an eye on him. But you have to look him in the eye. All the tech you have can't help you with that. A license to kill also means a license NOT to kill.

    latest?cb=20110705203442

    Where did I ever mention "oscar worthy" in my post?
    Those aforementioned lines are fine by themselves but rather looks like they were put in the film in a hurry (which they also probably were). It's like we heard them time and time again before. Not original but not bad.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    So we went from attacking GE to attacking Butterworth... whose next?? Just kidding.

    P&W are more like chewed gum. Not much more we can complain on about them.

    How about Dennis Glasser? He's fresh meat.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,149
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    So we went from attacking GE to attacking Butterworth... whose next?? Just kidding.

    P&W are more like chewed gum. Not much more we can complain on about them.

    How about Dennis Glasser? He's fresh meat.

    Well he makes me miss Ken Adam and Peter Lamont for a start.
    Just kidding actually. I don't mind his sets, but I do feel he has yet to create his iconic set a'la The Supertanker or The Volcano.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    He didn't do anything for me... Dennis Gassner.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    He didn't do anything for me... Dennis Gassner.

    Yea, he's ok. I agree with @ToTheRight.

    I'm kind of take or leave it with Gassner. What's the name of the guy that designed Inception? Weird name but too lazy to Google.
  • RossiRossi
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    "A license to kill also means a license NOT to kill."

    There are people praising this quote. Am I the only one who doesn't like it at all? :D
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 16,149
    This makes me wonder why Allan Cameron was never brought back after TND? I actually liked his production design on that film. Obviously, Lamont came back for TWINE and on wards, but I would have liked to have seen what Cameron could have done with QoS or SP.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Rossi wrote: »
    "A license to kill also means a license NOT to kill."

    There are people praising this quote. Am I the only one who doesn't like it at all? :D
    No, you are not alone I can assure you. It's one of several cringe worthy lines during scenes featuring the absolutely useless 'c' (and I do so wish that stood for what I initially thought it did in the theatre on first watch).
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    MrBond wrote: »
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    MrBond wrote: »
    According to the leaks Butterworth worked on the first two acts while P&W worked on the third act. This after Logan handed in the last script revision sometime late summer/early autumn 2014.
    P&W added scenes and refocused the climax before and during shooting and later added the torture-scene as late as April 2015. Butterworth polished dialogue and subtracted some scenes here and there in the first acts. I also believe (though not sure) that he wrote some scenes with M and Denbigh.
    I believe P&W also were responsible for refocusing scenes concerning Craig's injury later during shooting.
    All according the leaks, interviews and James Bond Archives.


    OSCAR WORTHY

    C: It's not personal, its the future, and... you're not.
    M: You're a cocky little bastard aren't you?
    C: I'll take that as a complement.
    M: I wouldn't.

    C: Don't tell me you're responsible for this.
    M: No, but my quartermaster is and he's extremely talented.
    C: Oh, bravo. But in case you hadn't realized it, you two are out of a job so you're trespassing.
    M: I'm afraid you've got the wrong end of the stick, Max. We're going to stop this system going online, and then I'm going to bring you in.

    C: You can't tell me an agent in the field can last long against all those drones and satellites.
    M: Yes, you have information. You can find out all about a man, track him down, keep an eye on him. But you have to look him in the eye. All the tech you have can't help you with that. A license to kill also means a license NOT to kill.

    latest?cb=20110705203442

    Where did I ever mention "oscar worthy" in my post?
    Those aforementioned lines are fine by themselves but rather looks like they were put in the film in a hurry (which they also probably were). It's like we heard them time and time again before. Not original but not bad.

    I wasn't mocking you, I was just making fun of his lines.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited October 2016 Posts: 9,020
    bondjames wrote: »
    Rossi wrote: »
    "A license to kill also means a license NOT to kill."

    There are people praising this quote. Am I the only one who doesn't like it at all? :D
    No, you are not alone I can assure you. It's one of several cringe worthy lines during scenes featuring the absolutely useless 'c' (and I do so wish that stood for what I initially thought it did in the theatre on first watch).

    Interesting. I absolutely like M's speech. I find it very well written and one of the most intelligent things said in all of Craig's era.
    Calling Denbigh C also is quite witty. You can only imagine what Bond meant with it, and of course the Clueless phrase is brilliant.
    IMHO
    Fiennes is a brilliant actor and delivers every line flawlessly.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Rossi wrote: »
    "A license to kill also means a license NOT to kill."

    There are people praising this quote. Am I the only one who doesn't like it at all? :D
    No, you are not alone I can assure you. It's one of several cringe worthy lines during scenes featuring the absolutely useless 'c' (and I do so wish that stood for what I initially thought it did in the theatre on first watch).

    Interesting. I absolutely like M's speech. I find it very well written and one of the most intelligent things said in all of Craig's era.
    Calling Denbigh C also is quite witty. You can only imagine what Bond meant with it, and of course the Clueless phrase is brilliant.
    IMHO
    Fiennes is a brilliant actor and delivers every line flawlessly.

    I agree here..
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    It looks like we have our new trailer. I'd take it with a grain of salt.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    What a terrible emo song. =))
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    For you, @Murdock.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I'll listen to "He's Dangerous" instead. ;)
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    edited October 2016 Posts: 1,817
    The 'licence not to kill' holds special significance throughout the film, and carries over one of Fleming's themes: the morality of killing (Bond's key dilemma in TMWTGG). It props up several times. Bond sparing Mr. White, Madeleine Swann's distate of guns and most of all Bond sparing Blofeld on the bridge (although I admit that moment is misguided).

    I don't get it. Why would you attack Licence Not To Kill if you don't attack Licence To Be Killed from FYEO. SP is probably a reference to that anyway.

    NOT TO SAY that SP is brimming with fantastic dialogue, because there are some really awful exchanges.

    "So James, why did you come?"
    "I came here to kill you."
    "And I thought you came here to die."
    "Well it's all a matter of perspective."

    Why on Earth they chose to use this in trailers is beyond me.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,603
    The ownership of the licence and when to use it is an interesting topic but, considering how developed the series is and what we have seen from Bond, I'm not sure if there is enough justification for this as a theme (and really unsure whether it is a genuine theme), in contrast, SF dealt with age (no doubt it was a theme) and fitness, a better theme IMHO as something that the whole audience can relate to and something that is beyond Bond's control so he is forced to deal with it and how he does plays a pivitol role not only for him but how M supports him which fits nicely in confirming the realtionship between Bond and M (sorry, I could take all day about SF, bad habit).
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    There are some good exchanges of dialogue in SP.
    I particularly like Bonds first meet with Lucia.
    "You knew my husband?"
    "All too briefly!"
    "Cant you see I'm grieving?"
    "No!"
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    That scene with Lucia is one of the highlights of the film for me. Love the focus pull as well on Bond after he shoots the 2 would-be-assassins.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Yes, great scene, as is the lead up to it, with Lucia walking through the house, and the villains appearing behind her!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It's a shame Lucia is so fleeting a character. Dan's Bond has some of his greatest chemistry and moments with her. His dissection of her character at the funeral is great, as is his cold demeanor surrounding Sciarra's death, which leads to him being slapped by her, after which he crashes the drinks to the floor. Reminds me of something Connery's Bond would do.
  • patbpatb
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    Yes, Lucia has so much more potential re character developement and relationship with Bond. Developing this would have made for a much deeper movie IMHO rather than dumping her so quickly
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
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    patb wrote: »
    The ownership of the licence and when to use it is an interesting topic but, considering how developed the series is and what we have seen from Bond, I'm not sure if there is enough justification for this as a theme (and really unsure whether it is a genuine theme), in contrast, SF dealt with age (no doubt it was a theme) and fitness, a better theme IMHO as something that the whole audience can relate to and something that is beyond Bond's control so he is forced to deal with it and how he does plays a pivitol role not only for him but how M supports him which fits nicely in confirming the realtionship between Bond and M (sorry, I could take all day about SF, bad habit).

    You may be right about that. I find it ridiculously hypocritical when Roger's Bond steps in front of Kristatos at the end of FYEO to stop Melina.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2016 Posts: 28,694
    I hate how in regards to both Mendes films, Berenice and Monica were at all the big events, including the big reveal of their respective Bond films, which made us get the expectation that they'd be a substantial part of the films, when in reality they both got barely five minutes of screen time each. So, so disappointing, as they were both stunning in the fleeting moments they had.

    Monica deserved to be a Brosnan Bond girl and I know she was on countless wish-lists for years, so to get her then have her thrown away so quickly is just a slap in the face. At least she didn't die...
  • patbpatb
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    Fair point and it will also taint future Bonds as we will see cast members and will be thinking, how many minutes are they actually on screen for. (one could say the same for the Aston?),
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    I hate how in regards to both Mendes films, Berenice and Monica were at all the big events, including the big reveal of their respective Bond films, which made us get the expectation that they'd be a substantial part of the films, when in reality they both got barely five minutes of screen time each. So, so disappointing, as they were both stunning in the fleeting moments they had.

    Monica deserved to be a Brosnan Bond girl and I know she was on countless wish-lists for years, so to get her then have her thrown away so quickly is just a slap in the face. At least she didn't die...

    Yes with the press conference etc. I was expecting Berenice to be a 'main' Bond girl in Skyfall. When I saw the scene with her and Bond in the casino I also thought this would be the case, her sex trade background made her feel very much like a Fleming female character with 'her wing down'.
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