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Agree, both kinds of dialogue work. To compare them is rather difficult.
I will, though, always prefer the kind of dialogue that DAF offers over the Craig-era stuff.
Do you mean the way the dialogue is delivered?
I think people are confusing witty one liner type dialogue with actual good film dialogue.
The dialogue between Vesper and Bond on the train is two human beings sizing each other up, flirting and is natural.
(Aside from the Omega product placement) its better than anything in DAF.
It only works because Eva Green is the greatest living actress.
And it's a normal conversation, it cannot be compared to humorous dialogue or one liners in other Bond movies.
Furthermore I doubt anyone will quote anything from that scene in 10, 20 years or later, but a lot of DAF's dialogue will be quoted to all eternity, it's that great. And it's Connery.
I personally find it one of the highlights of Craigfilm dialogue.
But I find the differentiation between witty one liner dialogue and actual good film dialogue flawed, because, speaking within the Bond context, I consider some (or more) witty one liner dialogue (especially in Bond films of the 60s-80s) in effect better than a lot of serious and no doubt clever and "good" dialogue (especially in newer films) that in the end makes the overall experience kind of clumsy or a bit down-pulling (in order to avoid the too harsh term depressing).
Reality check people.
No Limits.
No Fears.
No Substitutes or Replacements.
It's over when Blofeld dies.
It's not Halloween yet ;)
I am so torn concerning the matter of the next Bond film.
One day I pray for Craig to return no matter how or when Bond 25 will be made, the next day I hope for a clean cut and a fresh start, so it wouldn't really matter if Bond 25 hits the screen in 2018/2019/2020.
Before Spectre I couldn't have cared less about Craig returning. SF was the biggest disappointment I ever went through since becoming a fan.
But Spectre changed it all. Not only is it my No 1, which is incredible, but also it has renewed and possibly cemented my life-long fanboy existence forever and a day.
TLD-GE-SP my holy triumvirate of perfect movie experiences. I didn't think it possible it would happen again, but Spectre did it.
You don't get more Moore than "It's the circle of life." Moore would have delivered it better, though.
Anyway, I'd much be happier with a 5th and final Craig film. SP didn't feel like an ending to his era, more like a hint of bigger things to come. The calm in the storm before the hurricane hits.
Every time I read the words kite or hurricane... "You are a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr. Bond."
+1
I think people are finally giving up on a 2018 release. I just don't see how EON could have a full cast and creative team ready, as well as a script prepared for 12 months from now. Maybe I could see it, but both Barbara and Craig seem to be occupying themselves with other things these days. Perhaps young Gregg should take over the producer duties for Bond 25, since Micheal has health problems and Barbara doesn't seem interested anymore. Imagine how much fresh energy would be brought to the franchise with a new producer, new Bond, new director, new writers. That would be a bold move, and perhaps just what is needed to propel the franchise forward. I think that was part of what made Goldeneye so special, that it felt so fresh and new after the long break.
I imagine Gregg probably would be taking over the mantle sooner than later.
At this point my biggest hope is that once MGM secures a distribution deal, there also comes some sort of long term plan with it. At least for the next 3 films. Of course that could entail hiring a new Bond.
Right now it just looks as though everyone is playing it by ear. Honestly, that doesn't bode well for the future considering we're in the series' 6th decade, and the productivity has pretty much been cut in half for the last 3 decades. I'd consider ourselves extremely lucky if we even get another film in the 2010's.
Of course! I'm forgetting about the distibutor. We haven't heard much about that in awhile, and likely that is what's holding things up for the time being. So it looks like Craig might not have a say in the matter after all. Once everything is sorted out 2019 might be the earliest time available. Then I hardly think that WB or whoever would be interested in kicking things off with a sendoff for an old, tired 007. They won't want to inherit Sony's baggage. Most likely they'll advocate some sort of soft reboot so they can be involved from the beginning.
You're also right about the productivity, that's why Bond 25 is so crucial. It really feels like we're entering one of those periods where the franchise will either pull through and become stronger as a result, or flounder completely. It's do or die, just like in 1977, 1995 and 2006. Hopefully that means that Bond 25, featuring BOND ACTOR 007th, will reach a new peak for the franchise. However, I don't think it will be release in the year 2020, as EON don't really like years ending in 0. It'll either be 2019 or 2021, six years after SP just like the six year wait for Goldeneye.
That's not because the formula is tired, but rather because this team doesn't know how to do formula in my view.
Consequently, I'm all for fresh thinking and new blood and hope they take this delay as an opportunity to revamp the entire team.
...or 2022 Bond's 60th anniversary on screen. Then wait another 5 then another 5 or 10 and just capitalize on anniversary dates ...much like my ex wife did. It's fool proof.
The Craig era is great at the little touches, but when so much of the basic foundations are lacking, what does that really count for?
D'oh!! #-o