No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I love Dalton, but he wasn t funny. "I hope you don t snore, Q." may be the exception.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited October 2016 Posts: 732
    They have been very successful with what they did: Reboot the franchise and give quite some freedom to directors. All movies made a significant amount of money and 2 out of 4 films have been favourites with broth critics and the general audience ... even among hardcore Bond fans at least 1 out of 4 was quite a homerun.

    I would appreciate to have a fixed 2-year schedule but that's just not how they can do it anymore (maybe also due to the lack of Fleming material not turned into a movie, yet).

    BB and MGW took Bond to new grounds and found a new audience by still pleasing the old audience (for the most part). The decision to continue with the creative team behind SF made full sense but the mixed results of SP also tells them something new is needed again. If it requires just a new mix of what is current or some completely new dish out of ingredients 50 years old by now we shall see.

    But I think their move to the current era of Bond was the best they could do so some of the criticism seems to hard to me. Plus I doubt it's all "they don't care to do another Bond" - I am sure there's much more going on behind the scenes that will hold things up for another year - same time there will be first drafts read and ideas are tossed around.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I love Dalton, but he wasn t funny. "I hope you don t snore, Q." may be the exception.
    Same.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Dalton is the only Bond actor who didn't really need the one liners or funniness to be perfect. Ha!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    "I hope he isn t invited to dinner." wasn t bad, either.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited October 2016 Posts: 8,410
    He says bon appetit in LTK too.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I think Dalton is better with intensity and the sense of vengeance rather than funniness.

    "You earned it. You keep it... Old buddy."

    That intensity and darkness in his voice... No other Bond actor has ever done it.
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    Dalton didn't have much of one-liners in LTK, though. If there were, they were more of a daring threat or locking horns with Sanchez or any other antagonist.

    "Moore of a problem eliminator" is probably my favorite line from him. He delivered it in a very tense situation, which is where Dalton, as an intense actor, excelled most.
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 5,767
    gklein wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    No, it´s the other way round. The problem is that Broccoli and Wilson let directors do whatever they want, and don´t give them a clear frame to work within. That´s why they among other things needed Campbell twice to introduce a new Bond actor. No doubt, good choice, he made two fantastic films, but Campbell is also responsible for re-introducing the DB5 and for Bond falling faster than a propelled plane, the latter being the start of a whole new tradition where mayhem outshined everything else.

    Agreed, the problems is they've given the directors too much freedom, which is why a Mendes personal art project with SF instead of a Bond movie. That said, the formula should remain flexible. Every Bond should not be cookie-cutter, of course.

    [/quote]I absolutely agree. Let me repeat my example of Blade Runner and Kiss Kiss Bang Bang: Both heavily based on classical Amarican hard-boiled detective formula, yet entirely different films.



    peter wrote: »
    @Ottofuse, Cubby had a three year stall between TMWTGG and TSWLM, and a six year gap between LTK and GE.

    I don't know how any of us can assess BB's commitment to the franchise, or lack thereof, when we're not in the centre of the making of these films.

    I think BB is like 100% of producers out there: she sets out to make the best film that she can, with her team. Like others before her (including her father), or other producers after her, she's had successes and had some misfires. But to question her integrity or that she's not treating the franchise with the respect it deserves is being quite presumptuous.
    I wouldn´t limit it to BB alone, because, as was said already, Babs and Michael and some others are a team of producers. However it appears to be obvious that there is no clear idea what Bond should be and what a Bond film should be like. Never before SF has there been a Bond film that ignores to such a degree the character build-up of the previous films. Not to mention Bond being ready for duty with pleasure at the end of SF, only to supposedly quit his job a short time later in SP.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    To someone's remark about SF successfully capturing a new audience, that's true, but EON had no intent or idea that would happen. They hired Mendes as an "important' director worthy of Craig and they got what they got... a film that can appeal to non-Bond fans... just what every Bond fan wanted. So now what, they have three audiences to attend to... do we make a Fleming based Bond, an over the top trope filled cartoon, or a full cast dramaction film. I'm sure there's some pretentious f#*$ director selling themselves to EON right now on how he can capture all three with his ideas.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Boy it's sure gotten cuckoo in here. Christ.
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    Some of you need to be grateful we still get Bond movies.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    As crappy as it is, The industry is changing and in an era where every other day the stupid studios want Superhero movie's and terrible 80's movie remakes, It's impossible to get original blockbusters anymore and people seem to forget that EON is not a big budget Hollywood Studio that can afford to pump Bond films out every other year anymore. They are a small fry. Not to mention, MGM has them on a leash so they can't just up and make something without them. They can't do squat until MGM makes there move. Why do they get a pass and Barbara doesn't? So until MGM gets their act together, there isn't much EON can do, and after the Spectre leaks, maybe EON doesn't want to blow their lids on anything.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @murdock, finally some clear-headed sense. Getting frustrated and throwing all bombs at Babs is pretty irrational.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited October 2016 Posts: 16,351
    Thanks @peter, I've been saying it for months it's MGM that's holding up the production train. EON's waiting like we are. But nobody seems to want to listen to logic and reason and just blame everything on EON these days. Yeah it sucks we have to wait longer between films but until the industry gets tired of remakes and superhero movies we're just going to have to deal with it and be patient.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Murdock wrote: »
    Thanks @peter, I've been saying it for months it's MGM that's holding up the production train. EON's waiting like we are. But nobody seems to want to listen to logic and reason and just blame everything on EON these days. Yeah it sucks we have to wait longer between films but until the industry gets tired of remakes and superhero movies we're just going to have to deal with it and be patient.
    I couldn't agree more.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    They purchased the SPECTRE, Blofeld and Thunderball rights from The McClory Estate in 2013. Here's to them purchasing MGM's share of the Bond rights sometime soon so they could produce them on their own.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    They purchased the SPECTRE, Blofeld and Thunderball rights from The McClory Estate in 2013. Here's to them purchasing MGM's share of the Bond rights sometime soon so they could produce them on their own.

    Yes, said this long ago, they could have bought their shares after 2006, 2008 or at latest after the billion dollar BO in 2012.
    It's really inexcusable.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    They purchased the SPECTRE, Blofeld and Thunderball rights from The McClory Estate in 2013. Here's to them purchasing MGM's share of the Bond rights sometime soon so they could produce them on their own.

    Yes, said this long ago, they could have bought their shares after 2006, 2008 or at latest after the billion dollar BO in 2012.
    It's really inexcusable.

    Unless MGM didn't want to give them up. Without Bond they are dead in the water. They could as easily pull a McClory and sell their share to someone else. Not EON's fault MGM can't play ball. 8-|
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited October 2016 Posts: 15,423
    Who says they won't? It's not as easy as it looks. Or easier said than done.

    Kevin Feige still intends to get Fantastic Four and X-Men back from Fox. Sure, a recent report claimed the otherwise with him directly addressing it. But, when he said it, it means something is happening. He wouldn't have let it come to the spotlight.

    Eon are pretty much thinking this for quite sometime, I suspect.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Bond sleuthing around Palmyra during nighttime, Bond posing as a waiter and scaling Sanchez's casino to plant the explosives on the window sill. Bond covertly infiltrating the facility in Goldeneye, coolly descending the stairs and peering around the corner...

    Dammit, I love these sequences so much, will we ever see anything like it again? Will we ever see Bond sneaking around like the old days? Seems today like EON are the ones doing the subterfuge, more so than the actual character. I really desperately hope that with the next Bond they at least try to give spying a go, with more sequences like these. EON are so scared of actually relying on the story to engage and to compel the audience, that they feel the need to push the action to extreme levels to keep people interested. When I go back and watch Dr No, I am captivated from minute 1, and there is next to no action. Just watching such an interesting, intriguing character go about his business is enough to keep me hooked. I realize that they could never do this today, but I really hope they make an effort to bring back genuine suspense and intrigue. I love a good action scene, when it is properly set up and built up to, but I also love the atmospheric sequences such as the TLD post titles sequence.
  • RC7RC7
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    There's so much horse shit on here. Postulating from behind a keyboard with zero actual knowledge. Conjecture, conjecture, conjecture. Some sense from @peter @Murdock and others, thank Christ.
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    Bond sleuthing around Palmyra during nighttime, Bond posing as a waiter and scaling Sanchez's casino to plant the explosives on the window sill. Bond covertly infiltrating the facility in Goldeneye, coolly descending the stairs and peering around the corner...

    Dammit, I love these sequences so much, will we ever see anything like it again? Will we ever see Bond sneaking around like the old days? Seems today like EON are the ones doing the subterfuge, more so than the actual character. I really desperately hope that with the next Bond they at least try to give spying a go, with more sequences like these. EON are so scared of actually relying on the story to engage and to compel the audience, that they feel the need to push the action to extreme levels to keep people interested. When I go back and watch Dr No, I am captivated from minute 1, and there is next to no action. Just watching such an interesting, intriguing character go about his business is enough to keep me hooked. I realize that they could never do this today, but I really hope they make an effort to bring back genuine suspense and intrigue. I love a good action scene, when it is properly set up and built up to, but I also love the atmospheric sequences such as the TLD post titles sequence.

    Brosnan had some great scenes like that in TND and TWINE. I especially like the scene in TWINE of him sneaking around before he kills Davidov.
    Have we even seen Craig in such a scenario yet? I suppose sneaking into the high rise following Patrice......meh ....but not quite the same thing really. Those scenes in TB, LTK, and GE exude atmosphere.
    I feel the same way about DR NO. Even with little action, I am completely enthralled each time I watch that film. I love the little moments of Bond putting the hair on his closet door, looking round his hotel room, then checking for finger prints later. Great stuff there.
    I'd love to see Bond do some genuine spying again a'la Auric's factory, Palmyra, mountaineering outside The Whyte House, Zorin's stables, sneaking into Whitaker's home, etc etc. Instead these days we get a few random scenes with Bond inter cut with MI6 staff sequences. ......yawn.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited October 2016 Posts: 8,410
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Bond sleuthing around Palmyra during nighttime, Bond posing as a waiter and scaling Sanchez's casino to plant the explosives on the window sill. Bond covertly infiltrating the facility in Goldeneye, coolly descending the stairs and peering around the corner...

    Dammit, I love these sequences so much, will we ever see anything like it again? Will we ever see Bond sneaking around like the old days? Seems today like EON are the ones doing the subterfuge, more so than the actual character. I really desperately hope that with the next Bond they at least try to give spying a go, with more sequences like these. EON are so scared of actually relying on the story to engage and to compel the audience, that they feel the need to push the action to extreme levels to keep people interested. When I go back and watch Dr No, I am captivated from minute 1, and there is next to no action. Just watching such an interesting, intriguing character go about his business is enough to keep me hooked. I realize that they could never do this today, but I really hope they make an effort to bring back genuine suspense and intrigue. I love a good action scene, when it is properly set up and built up to, but I also love the atmospheric sequences such as the TLD post titles sequence.

    Brosnan had some great scenes like that in TND and TWINE. I especially like the scene in TWINE of him sneaking around before he kills Davidov.
    Have we even seen Craig in such a scenario yet? I suppose sneaking into the high rise following Patrice......meh ....but not quite the same thing really. Those scenes in TB, LTK, and GE exude atmosphere.
    I feel the same way about DR NO. Even with little action, I am completely enthralled each time I watch that film. I love the little moments of Bond putting the hair on his closet door, looking round his hotel room, then checking for finger prints later. Great stuff there.
    I'd love to see Bond do some genuine spying again a'la Auric's factory, Palmyra, mountaineering outside The Whyte House, Zorin's stables, sneaking into Whitaker's home, etc etc. Instead these days we get a few random scenes with Bond inter cut with MI6 staff sequences. ......yawn.

    Yes, completely agree. It's one of the biggest missing elements of modern Bond. Some of the best Bond score in the franchise accompanies his sneaking escapades. I love the atmosphere, the mood, the tension that something simple like that can create. The Whyte house sequence is another gem, as you mentioned. That is when the character is at his coolest.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    BB still seems to be the Holy Grail for some. Well we'll see in another 4 years...
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    We did get a little bit of sneaking in QOS when Bond gets to the Opera house and slips in, steals another guy's Tux and blends in with ease. While it was short and sweet, it was still Bond sneaking at it's finest.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Murdock wrote: »
    We did get a little bit of sneaking in QOS when Bond gets to the Opera house and slips in, steals another guy's Tux and blends in with ease. While it was short and sweet, it was still Bond sneaking at it's finest.

    Yes, that's true. More of that please! :D
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited October 2016 Posts: 10,591
    Murdock wrote: »
    We did get a little bit of sneaking in QOS when Bond gets to the Opera house and slips in, steals another guy's Tux and blends in with ease. While it was short and sweet, it was still Bond sneaking at it's finest.
    Not to mention the entire Shanghai sequence in SF.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The whole Opera sequence in QOS belongs to the very best scenes in the series. The editing is perfect in that sequence (strangely enough) and Arnold's score is bloody freaking fantastic.

    Oh Dear.....now I want to watch QOS...
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Boy it's sure gotten cuckoo in here. Christ.
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    Some of you need to be grateful we still get Bond movies.
    Recently there have been times when I stopped to care.

  • Posts: 16,170
    The music in the opera sequence in QoS is great! Some of my favorite Arnold cues there. Damn I miss him. :(
    Actually, QUANTUM had some great "Bondian"sequences: the fight in the hotel, the opera, the Greene party, and so forth.
    Speaking of Bond nightly spying moments, I always liked the Kamen music that accompanies Dalton sneaking up to the roof of Sanchez' casino. The cue as he removes his cumberbund gives the scene an added elegance. Also the subtle Bond Theme notes as he's prepping his signature gun to take Sanchez out. Damn I should watch LICENCE soon.
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