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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The Aston in Skyfall is nothing but a fan service. I took it that way and it was intended to be that way.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Murdock wrote: »
    They've always kept members of the old guard during a reboot. That's not something new.

    True but not like this. 4 movies earlier a seasoned Bond is talking to a newly appointed female M and then in CR the same actress cast as M is appointing and promoting Bond to 00 status. It's silly and utterly ridiculous but according to Campbell and Wilson they didn't give a shit because Dench is Dench so they ignored sense and reason just to keep her. They should have recast the role but they didn't so even with Craig still as Bond, whatever corner they backed themselves in with SP I'm sure they can quite easily manoeuvre themselves out.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Never bothered me.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Never bothered me.

    Me neither. Charles Gray played Henderson and Blofeld, Maud Adams played two different Bond girls, who cares if Dench plays two different Ms in two different timelines?Moreover, she's a wonderful actress, keeping her was a great decision.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Eva Green is a wonderful actress; but you know, let's bring her back for Bond 25. EoN have done it before so clearly it shouldn't be an issue.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Eva Green is a wonderful actress; but you know, let's bring her back for Bond 25. EoN have done it before so clearly it shouldn't be an issue.

    To be fair, Eva Green played a massive role in Casino Royale (perhaps rivaled in magnitude only by Diana Rigg before her), unlike say Maud Adams who played a relatively minor role in Golden Gun before returning four films later as Octopussy. A more appropriate modern-day comparison might be suggesting Gemma Arterton return as a future Bond girl—an idea I'm sure many here, myself included, would be fully behind!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    There can never be enough Eva Green. She can be Vesper's sister Esther Lynd.
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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2016 Posts: 15,423
    I'm on board with the idea. Her more evil twin...
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Whose hair was bleached in an unfortunate hydrogen cyanide incident?

    Wait till you get to her teeth! ;)
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Esther is a Blond. Vesper is a Brunette. ;)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I tend to notice little things like that, too. ;)

    Whether a girl is a blonde or er... brunette.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Relevant. ;)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Have either Sean Connery or Roger Moore raise a reactive eyebrow. ;)
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    That should have been Bond's retort when Silva said, "Do you know what it does to you, hydrogen cyanide?"

    *shrugs*

    "Providing the collars and cuffs match..."
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    They've always kept members of the old guard during a reboot. That's not something new.

    There has been only one reboot.

    Two in my head canon.

    Sean, George and Roger are one long continuity. Tim and Pierce are a second continuity. And Daniel is a new one. Two reboots.

    Dalton's link to Tracy is pretty clear.

    So does Pierce, They had Tracy in their continuity's too we just didn't see it.

    Not really. Even MGW once questioned whether the memory of Tracy exists in the Brosnan era. The "have you ever lost a loved one" line from Elektra, is more likely to refer to Paris Carver.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    They've always kept members of the old guard during a reboot. That's not something new.

    There has been only one reboot.

    Two in my head canon.

    Sean, George and Roger are one long continuity. Tim and Pierce are a second continuity. And Daniel is a new one. Two reboots.

    Dalton's link to Tracy is pretty clear.

    So does Pierce, They had Tracy in their continuity's too we just didn't see it.

    Not really. Even MGW once questioned whether the memory of Tracy exists in the Brosnan era. The "have you ever lost a loved one" line from Elektra, is more likely to refer to Paris Carver.

    I'd say that's up to personal interpretation. I always saw it as a nod to Tracy.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    They've always kept members of the old guard during a reboot. That's not something new.

    There has been only one reboot.

    Two in my head canon.

    Sean, George and Roger are one long continuity. Tim and Pierce are a second continuity. And Daniel is a new one. Two reboots.

    Dalton's link to Tracy is pretty clear.

    So does Pierce, They had Tracy in their continuity's too we just didn't see it.

    Not really. Even MGW once questioned whether the memory of Tracy exists in the Brosnan era. The "have you ever lost a loved one" line from Elektra, is more likely to refer to Paris Carver.

    You'll have to dig up that MGW reference, I've never heard that said before. And Paris? Bond has lost enough sacrificial lambs in his time that I doubt Paris would have any longer lasting effect on him. He may as well be reacting to Ferrara or Saunders there. No, his response clearly carries the weight of Tracy.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    That should have been Bond's retort when Silva said, "Do you know what it does to you, hydrogen cyanide?"

    *shrugs*

    "Providing the collars and cuffs match..."

    Hydrogen Peroxcide for the Blonde hair .
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    They've always kept members of the old guard during a reboot. That's not something new.

    There has been only one reboot.

    Two in my head canon.

    Sean, George and Roger are one long continuity. Tim and Pierce are a second continuity. And Daniel is a new one. Two reboots.

    Dalton's link to Tracy is pretty clear.

    So does Pierce, They had Tracy in their continuity's too we just didn't see it.

    Not really. Even MGW once questioned whether the memory of Tracy exists in the Brosnan era. The "have you ever lost a loved one" line from Elektra, is more likely to refer to Paris Carver.

    You'll have to dig up that MGW reference, I've never heard that said before. And Paris? Bond has lost enough sacrificial lambs in his time that I doubt Paris would have any longer lasting effect on him. He may as well be reacting to Ferrara or Saunders there. No, his response clearly carries the weight of Tracy.

    The Brosnan era is where the idea of Bond marrying Tracy in 1969 is no longer believable at all, for me. It's complicated even with Dalton, he has to be able to have married Tracy in 1969, be an active agent, and have held the rank of Commander. Dalton might just be able to get away with that, by the skin of his teeth, just. But Brosnan has no chance, whatsoever.

    As for MGW, it must have been a Bond reference book that I read that it. The Rough Guide To Bond, The Essential Bond, or maybe The Bond Files.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Of course you have to factor suspension of disbelief and a certain floating timeframe into the matter. Same as with Dalton as you say, unless we're going to put his Bond around 50. But it's the same thing with Gardner's Bond in the 90s. He's intended to be the same Bond as Fleming's, but he would be positively ancient by that point unless you fudged the years and just went along with it.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Speaking of timelines,i always treat AVTAK as the final ever Bond film,before Bond retires..his last mission.

    Fits in well with the older Bond image.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    Yes, it's a floating timeline - I see each era, with each new Bond, it being a 're-imagining' of the character - it's the same character re-imagined for a different time - so for me Brosnan's Bond still has a Tracy in his background, just it didn't necessarily happen in 1969, as it didn't for the Bond in Fleming's novels.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    The dates are all irrelevant to me,take them out and it makes things a lot easier,i'm totally with @tanaka123 on that.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2016 Posts: 15,423
    I believe it was Jeremy Black or some other Bond scholar who did say that the TWINE scene with Elektra asking Bond that question was a reference to Tracy. Well, if he knows something Purvis and Wade didn't openly state in public, then I'll take his word for it.

    To me, there are only two official existing timelines. DN-->DAD, CR-->Ongoing.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    I believe it was Jeremy Black or some other Bond scholar who did say that the TWINE scene with Elektra asking Bond that question was a reference to Tracy. Well, if he knows something Purvis and Wade didn't openly state in public, then I'll take his word for it.

    To me, there are only two official existing timelines. DN-->DAD, CR-->Ongoing.

    Agreed....no need to over-complicate things,just ignore the dates the films were made and keep the timelines as above ...job done.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    CR to SP is pre-DN, if you talk about timeline, so there is only one.
    And you cannot go with dates as Piercebond would have been 10 in 1962, for instance.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2016 Posts: 15,423
    Bond never knew about SPECTRE in Dr. No until the doctor himself told him, so that's not relevant. ;)

    In Die Another Day it was the same Bond we saw in Dr. No. The character just does not age. You'll have to assume whatever happened in '62 with Connery, hypothetically happened with Brosnan in '82 or something. That's about it.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited November 2016 Posts: 19,339
    OK peeps as we are going off topic again and will get our bottoms slapped,i have created a timeline discussion thread,so head off to there and we can carry on chatting about it !
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    Also, apart from the Craig films, they are all episodic. There's a thin continuity to suggest it's the same character - part of the reason why they had Moore's Bond visit Tracy's grave in FYEO - but each film is also very much it's own unit too - apart from Craig's Bonds.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2016 Posts: 15,423
    What about Brosnan's mention of Zorin and how they "played bridge together" in the video game Everything or Nothing? A script that's approved by Eon/Danjaq, so it all suggests their intention was that it was the same Bond for over 40 years...

    Anyway, I said it here, and we'll go back to Bond 25... Again!
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