No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • RC7RC7
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    I just want them to remake the books just please they are so out of ideas so just go back to what makes the best films THE NOVELS PLEASE. In the 50's too

    Desperation.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    YOLT and MR haven't been truly adapted IMHO.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Why remake the books that have been done before when there are the subsequent continuation novels waiting?

    Because they have no plans or good stories and bond can't survive forever in the modern day he belongs in the time period he was written where they can bang out a film every two years because they are just faithfully adapting the novels so they don't need to waste four years getting ideas and then for the next 30 or so years we will have strong modern bond films
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I am against adapting the books and against period films. Don't want it. If Bond can't work in the modern day they should just put it to bed forever, but there is no reason why modern Bond can't still work. Automated vehicles will make car chases obsolete, but that's why Bond should go back to being thrillers, not action films.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Why remake the books that have been done before when there are the subsequent continuation novels waiting?

    Because they have no plans or good stories and bond can't survive forever in the modern day he belongs in the time period he was written where they can bang out a film every two years because they are just faithfully adapting the novels so they don't need to waste four years getting ideas and then for the next 30 or so years we will have strong modern bond films

    Trust me, the problem with not being able to churn out a movie every two years mainly lies in the hands of MGM who keeps holding Eon's leash. Bond can survive in whichever time he's in, even though I'd love a revisit to the sixties with the condition they keep the Connery iteration of the character rather than the literary version. And to say there aren't any good stories in the continuation novels only indicates to the fact that you've never read them. Both Gardner and Benson had terrific novels that put some of the existing movies to shame. Alas, many times we believed they had no plans to using continuation novels, even though Colonel Sun itself lent many movies elements for their respective plot outlines. Now, that they officially credited Kingsley Amis estate for letting them officially use materials from his book in Spectre, the assumption that Eon has no plans to use continuation novels in the future falls into the category of falsehood.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Why remake the books that have been done before when there are the subsequent continuation novels waiting?

    Because they have no plans or good stories and bond can't survive forever in the modern day he belongs in the time period he was written where they can bang out a film every two years because they are just faithfully adapting the novels so they don't need to waste four years getting ideas and then for the next 30 or so years we will have strong modern bond films

    "They have no plans".
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Why remake the books that have been done before when there are the subsequent continuation novels waiting?

    Because they have no plans or good stories and bond can't survive forever in the modern day he belongs in the time period he was written where they can bang out a film every two years because they are just faithfully adapting the novels so they don't need to waste four years getting ideas and then for the next 30 or so years we will have strong modern bond films

    Trust me, the problem with not being able to churn out a movie every two years mainly lies in the hands of MGM who keeps holding Eon's leash. Bond can survive in whichever time he's in, even though I'd love a revisit to the sixties with the condition they keep the Connery iteration of the character rather than the literary version. And to say there aren't any good stories in the continuation novels only indicates to the fact that you've never read them. Both Gardner and Benson had terrific novels that put some of the existing movies to shame. Alas, many times we believed they had no plans to using continuation novels, even though Colonel Sun itself lent many movies elements for their respective plot outlines. Now, that they officially credited Kingsley Amis estate for letting them officially use materials from his book in Spectre, the assumption that Eon has no plans to use continuation novels in the future falls into the category of falsehood.

    yeah I see what you are saying but what i was referring to when I said they have no plans and stories is that they don't have a solid writing team that has movies planned out like spectre where they just did backwards continuity to try and force a story that clearly wasnt supposed to be there and they don't necessarily have to do a period piece but even to return to the novels, fleming or continuation to have a solid set of stories to then adapt as opposed to hiring john logan, having a garbage script, then hring purvis and wade, then hiring butterworth, its a mess I think they should just go book by book and make more faithful adaptations as a lot of solid bond stories havent been tapped beyond their titles. I have read all the fleming books but I havent got around to the continuation books
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    like casino royale, use the fleming story for half of it then build a new story around the other half and what you find is a solid classic and modern bond as opposed to a spectre which is delightful so far as trying to do a roger moore movie again but not so fleming
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Can't disagree with any of that. Eon's writing team is indeed overtly bad. The sooner they give Purvis, Wade and Mendes the goodbye card, the better. The Dynamite Comics have already released three entries in the Bond series so far, and all of them are solid Bond adventures, with the first two being diverse in their descriptive stories, you'd wonder why ever the Bond films can't do half as good with the storytelling as the comics do today. Yet Purvis and Wade tell us they have "no idea how to write a James Bond story in today's world." That coming from the same men who kept recycling the same story for the movies since The World Is Not Enough.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Can't disagree with any of that. Eon's writing team is indeed overtly bad. The sooner they give Purvis, Wade and Mendes the goodbye card, the better. The Dynamite Comics have already released three entries in the Bond series so far, and all of them are solid Bond adventures, with the first two being diverse in their descriptive stories, you'd wonder why ever the Bond films can't do half as good with the storytelling as the comics do today. Yet Purvis and Wade tell us they have "no idea how to write a James Bond story in today's world." That coming from the same men who kept recycling the same story for the movies since The World Is Not Enough.

    yeah those comics are solid and good modern day bond adventures
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Can't disagree with any of that. Eon's writing team is indeed overtly bad. The sooner they give Purvis, Wade and Mendes the goodbye card, the better. The Dynamite Comics have already released three entries in the Bond series so far, and all of them are solid Bond adventures, with the first two being diverse in their descriptive stories, you'd wonder why ever the Bond films can't do half as good with the storytelling as the comics do today. Yet Purvis and Wade tell us they have "no idea how to write a James Bond story in today's world." That coming from the same men who kept recycling the same story for the movies since The World Is Not Enough.

    Yeah the characters were fine just the people writing them weren't
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    I am against adapting the books and against period films.

    Bond was born as a book character and the most appreciated movies in the series are all adaptations of the book, why are you against it (other than the fact that they openly discredit your beloved codename theory)?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    Walecs wrote: »
    I am against adapting the books and against period films.

    Bond was born as a book character and the most appreciated movies in the series are all adaptations of the book, why are you against it (other than the fact that they openly discredit your beloved codename theory)?

    I just think that the time for adapting them has passed. Bond can exist outside of the strict narratives that Fleming penned. In fact, I'd argue is better to do that. Direct adaptations only invites comparisons, and not favorable ones.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Frwl is amazing but what if they pumped 200 million bucks into it and made it bigger that would be incredible
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I don't want remakes of Bond stories long past. I want new and exciting adventures.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Frwl is amazing but what if they pumped 200 million bucks into it and made it bigger that would be incredible

    Then it would not be a faithful adaptation anymore. They would have to tamper with the story dramatically in order to justify the budget.
  • //Trust me, the problem with not being able to churn out a movie every two years mainly lies in the hands of MGM who keeps holding Eon's leash.//

    Barbara Broccoli has made clear she doesn't want to make Bond films on an every-other-year schedule. That's her prerogative. But how is that MGM's fault, especially when it filed a business plan in bankruptcy court calling for Bond films to get back to an every-other-year schedule?

    The whole MGM-Danjaq relationship is complicated. At times (during particular MGM management regimes), it has been dysfunctional. But why is it all MGM's fault?
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Frwl is amazing but what if they pumped 200 million bucks into it and made it bigger that would be incredible

    Then it would not be a faithful adaptation anymore. They would have to tamper with the story dramatically in order to justify the budget.

    yeah your probably right
  • Posts: 9,843
    I just want them to remake the books just please they are so out of ideas so just go back to what makes the best films THE NOVELS PLEASE. In the 50's too

    Sure let's just ignore what Fleming wanted entirely god forbid they stick to his rule of Bond being of the times (with Bond in flemings own novels changing a few times to keep up with the year the book was released)....

    I don't want Bond as a period piece the moment they do that I stop watching

  • If BB doesn't want to do one every other year then they are offering all kinds of opportunities to their competitors.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    If Craig doesn't return where should the franchise go, should they continue the sort of SPECTRE arch
    Or go on a one off mission, continue the sort of continuity style story lines or go back to the more one mission a movie and nothing really linking the movies
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    I doubt the next movie will have any link to Swann.
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    Walecs wrote: »
    I am against adapting the books and against period films.

    Bond was born as a book character and the most appreciated movies in the series are all adaptations of the book, why are you against it (other than the fact that they openly discredit your beloved codename theory)?
    Film Bond from the outset was inspired by A.C. Doyle, Chandler and Hammett novels at least as much as by Fleming, both the character and the stories. There is no film based on a Fleming novel that hasn´t more things in it that are not from any Fleming novel.

  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    I doubt the next movie will have any link to Swann.

    With you here too
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    I doubt the next movie will have any link to Swann.

    With you here too

    While I agree with that I wouldn't mind if they OHMSS'd it and had another movie with Craig and blocked but if they get a new actor then forget about it
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    like casino royale, use the fleming story for half of it then build a new story around the other half and what you find is a solid classic and modern bond as opposed to a spectre which is delightful so far as trying to do a roger moore movie again but not so fleming
    CASINO ROYALE is the example I'm thinking of. Use the best of Fleming and update to the 21st Century, the way it worked so well in 2006. Won't be mistaken for the previous films, which were made 38 (MOONRAKER), 44 (LIVE AND LET DIE), or even 55 years ago (DR. NO). Not film remakes, so no Jaws or GoldenEye or Jinx.

    Classics stories are retold all the time. Conversely, Fleming material shouldn't be eliminated and consciously excluded from Bond films as a rule.
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  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Frwl is amazing but what if they pumped 200 million bucks into it and made it bigger that would be incredible

    If they did, we'd end up with what we got in the video game adaptation
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Walecs wrote: »
    I am against adapting the books and against period films.

    Bond was born as a book character and the most appreciated movies in the series are all adaptations of the book, why are you against it (other than the fact that they openly discredit your beloved codename theory)?

    I just think that the time for adapting them has passed. Bond can exist outside of the strict narratives that Fleming penned. In fact, I'd argue is better to do that. Direct adaptations only invites comparisons, and not favorable ones.

    Totally agree.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Frwl is amazing but what if they pumped 200 million bucks into it and made it bigger that would be incredible

    If they did, we'd end up with what we got in the video game adaptation

    Pretty much but that game was awesome it would be worth it
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited February 2017 Posts: 11,139
    Why remake the books that have been done before when there are the subsequent continuation novels waiting?

    Because they have no plans or good stories and bond can't survive forever in the modern day he belongs in the time period he was written where they can bang out a film every two years because they are just faithfully adapting the novels so they don't need to waste four years getting ideas and then for the next 30 or so years we will have strong modern bond films

    Nonsense. Bond was created in the cold war but he doesn't and shouldnt be exclusively resigned to that period just because you think it means an increase in film frequency.
    Frwl is amazing but what if they pumped 200 million bucks into it and made it bigger that would be incredible

    First of all, a Bond movie doesn't need to be 200 million. It's precisely these inflated budgets that are one of many problems plaguing this series. Secondly, have you actually read FRWL? We dont need a FRWL movie thats bigger than what we got in '63.

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