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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Licence to Kill was also Tim's best and final entry.
    Totally....so much better than that 'other' film.

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  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    talos7 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Licence to Kill was also Tim's best and final entry.
    Totally....so much better than that 'other' film.

    -1
    -2
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I don't really want an actor to finish on a high. The fans will never really let him go if that is the case, and it will hobble his successor, as comparisons will inevitably be unfavourable for the newbie.

    Since I'm loyal to the franchise first, I really do prefer if an actor closes out his tenure with a weak entry, in order to set the stage for a rebirth with the new man.

    In this case it's a very important one symbolically, being Bond #007.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    The difference is, DC is a great actor and will rise to the quality of the script.
    Feels as if @mendes is sulking just a little.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    peter wrote: »
    The difference is, DC is a great actor and will rise to the quality of the script.
    Feels as if @mendes is sulking just a little.

    Nah, Craig's staying will just give Turner time to mature a bit, insuring he gets the role for Bond 26 :D

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Hopefully the maturing process will also include charisma, as in: Turner needs it, and plenty of it!
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't really want an actor to finish on a high. The fans will never really let him go if that is the case, and it will hobble his successor, as comparisons will inevitably be unfavourable for the newbie.

    Since I'm loyal to the franchise first, I really do prefer if an actor closes out his tenure with a weak entry, in order to set the stage for a rebirth with the new man.

    In this case it's a very important one symbolically, being Bond #007.

    There has definitely been a phoenix pattern at work from one Bond actor to the next, and that has definitely made it easier for them to "sell" each new Bond.

    YOLT > OHMSS (a tough sell, but they compensated by excelling in every department)
    OHMSS > DAF (Connery's back!)
    DAF > L&LD (obvious phoenix)
    AVTAK > TLD (obvious phoenix)
    LTK > GE (6 yr gap resulting in obvious phoenix)
    DAD > CR (obvious phoenix)
    SP > ?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    In the end: it looks like DC is returning to the role, and to compare, what is likely his last 007 film, to the conclusion to Connery's and Moore's tenure, is a silly comparison to make;
    Connery was bored with the role and despised his producers, especially Saltzman;
    Moore was 57, and very long in the tooth.
    DC is athletic, a great actor with a ton of screen presence who has an excellent working relationship with his producers. He's not coming back to embarrass Babs, or himself!
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    DAD might not have been a good note to end on critically, but DAD was the highest grossing Bond film at the time. So Pierce went out on top.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    DAD might not have been a good note to end on critically, but DAD was the highest grossing Bond film at the time. So Pierce went out on top.

    Financially, yes, DAD was a success, but it seems to be generally held that Connery, Moore, Brosnan, and Craig (should SP be his last) departed with their creatively weakest outings—conceding that DAF, AVTAK, DAD, and SP each have their own individual supporters among the fanbase.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    DAD might not have been a good note to end on critically, but DAD was the highest grossing Bond film at the time. So Pierce went out on top.

    Financially, yes, DAD was a success, but it seems to be generally held that Connery, Moore, Brosnan, and Craig (should SP be his last) departed with their creatively weakest outings—conceding that DAF, AVTAK, DAD, and SP each have their own individual supporters among the fanbase.

    To play devils advocate you can never really know if your not film will be your weakest. A lot of these actors always try to one up the one before.
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
    edited February 2017 Posts: 233
    Whatever happens next - I hope that the filmmakers will put a lot more emphasis on the quality of the script! Love to see something with a really strong story, wonderful characters and some originality. Spectre felt more like a box-ticking exercise (reminded me of the Brosnan era) and it tried way too hard to tie the strands from Daniel's previous films together into a neat package (which really didn't work).
  • RC7RC7
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    Satorious wrote: »
    I hope whatever happens next - that they have put a more emphasis on the script this time! Something with a strong story, wonderful characters and some originality.

    Everyone says this, but believe it or not, it's not that simple. If it was, every film would be fucking great.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Now I'm playing Devil's advocate with this question. At this point is true originality possible? I think it is, but also feel that almost anything done can be compared to something that's been done previously.
    A problem is, and I've been guilty of it, when viewers, especially fans, are hypercritical in their judgment of a film and how it's elements compare to previous films both within and outside of the series.
    In short, can a Bond film be made that isn't accused of recycling the past?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I don't really care about originality literally because as you say, it's probably been done before. The trick is to make whatever you do seem fresh, cohesive & tonally balanced. That is a matter of direction, dialogue and acting imho. I'm sure things have to be done on the fly sometimes.

    Bottom line: I think making films is more art than science. Sometimes it comes together beautifully when you least expect it and resonates.

    I do believe though that steps can be taken to maximize the chances of magic happening, and enough time to get it together in the preparation phase is one of those steps.
  • RC7RC7
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Now I'm playing Devil's advocate with this question. At this point is true originality possible? I think it is, but also feel that almost anything done can be compared to something that's been done previously.
    A problem is, and I've been guilty of it, when viewers, especially fans, are hypercritical in their judgment of a film and how it's elements compare to previous films both within and outside of the series.
    In short, can a Bond film be made that isn't accused of recycling the past?

    Originality is not really the objective, imo. It's authenticity. You may tread over old ground, unexpectedly, but if it's a done in an authentic way it's palatable. An audience is savvy enough to understand when it's getting something fresh, or something stale (box ticking).
  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
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    RC7 wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    going off of what you guys were saying above I would like if they did more classic bond quotes like at the end of SPECTRE in the db5 he could have said we have all the time in the world or something like that.

    Yep, don't know why they left that line out.

    I'm glad they did. A clumsy riff on a masterpiece.

    I absolutely love OHMSS. Top-rate flick. however, a lot of my friends disagree and trash it. I'm glad that it was left out just for the fact that I don't have to hear that they were "redoing" OHMSS. Besides, there's no way that Madeline deserve that line.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Please revert the conversation back to B25.
  • RC7RC7
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Please revert the conversation back to B25.

    This is what happens when you create a thread that is utterly speculative.
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Everyone says this, but believe it or not, it's not that simple. If it was, every film would be fucking great.
    Ah, never said it's simple! I have a pretty intimate understanding of the process - just gone through it for the past year or so. EON has had more time than usual to get things in reasonable shape - there is no looming "release date" (yet) and hopefully no "we've only got half a script" fiascos (*cough* TND/QOS/SP). They have invited fresh writing talent (long overdue). I'm sure they won't be trying to make a mediocre Bond film and there are lots of variables at play. But getting a good script is fundamental (if you don't invest properly at this stage - you will pay further down the line - you can polish a script but not a turd).
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Please revert the conversation back to B25.

    Alright, I'll make an attempt. So some have suggested that B25 will be like SP. Despite my problems with SP, I'd rather that than another "gritty," "serious," "Oh, look at me! I'm so brooding and emotional," standard Craig entry.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    The filmmakers presented SPECTRE very well, a classy balance of thrills and fun. So I expect evolution down those lines for BOND 25. Fulfilling the established Bond film formula, as they've been building on it since CASINO ROYALE.

    And to me there actually isn't much time given for brooding Bond. He's confronted with events to react to at times, but he doesn't wear much anything on his sleeve. It's about the mission.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    RC7 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Now I'm playing Devil's advocate with this question. At this point is true originality possible? I think it is, but also feel that almost anything done can be compared to something that's been done previously.
    A problem is, and I've been guilty of it, when viewers, especially fans, are hypercritical in their judgment of a film and how it's elements compare to previous films both within and outside of the series.
    In short, can a Bond film be made that isn't accused of recycling the past?

    Originality is not really the objective, imo. It's authenticity. You may tread over old ground, unexpectedly, but if it's a done in an authentic way it's palatable. An audience is savvy enough to understand when it's getting something fresh, or something stale (box ticking).


    Agree. Originality is not what's kept Bond alive on screen for getting on for 60 years. It's inventive rehashing of a well established formula. Okay from time to time the films push the boundaries a little but there's not been much genuine originality in a Bond film since the days of Connery. Even then Bond was happily copying other films - FRWL 'borrowing' merrily from Hitchcock.

    It's always a bit of a tightrope between box ticking and loving craftsmanship.

    You can eat a great meal again and again if it's cooked with passion and genuine commitment. But when it's just churned out for the sake of putting food on the table it can become a bit stale.

    I do think this is where the importance of good quality writing is so important. It really can make the difference between something that feels utterly rehashed and dull, and something that just has the little twist and freshness to lift the film.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited February 2017 Posts: 6,601
    In the meantime. Bond on the couch for a German Vodafone ad. Scroll for NEW video.

    His agent calls and offers him a script with all the usual stuff in it, but he declines, rather watches TV.
    And now DONT go into - "This will happen with his Bond" Just don't.

    http://www.horizont.net/marketing/nachrichten/Vodafone-Giga-TV-Warum-Daniel-Craig-lieber-bingewatcht-als-Verbrecher-jagt-146355
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    The filmmakers presented SPECTRE very well, a classy balance of thrills and fun. So I expect evolution down those lines for BOND 25. Fulfilling the established Bond film formula, as they've been building on it since CASINO ROYALE.

    And to me there actually isn't much time given for brooding Bond. He's confronted with events to react to at times, but he doesn't wear much anything on his sleeve. It's about the mission.

    Agreed, @RichardTheBruce. As you will find here, many don't seem to get what the intent and message of these films has been, or how Bond has functioned inside of them.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    The filmmakers presented SPECTRE very well, a classy balance of thrills and fun. So I expect evolution down those lines for BOND 25. Fulfilling the established Bond film formula, as they've been building on it since CASINO ROYALE.

    And to me there actually isn't much time given for brooding Bond. He's confronted with events to react to at times, but he doesn't wear much anything on his sleeve. It's about the mission.

    Agreed, @RichardTheBruce. As you will find here, many don't seem to get what the intent and message of these films has been, or how Bond has functioned inside of them.

    Quite so Brady quite so.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Indeed....
  • walter1985walter1985 Rotterdam
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    if Spectre is Craig's last enty, it's not his best ;-) so let us hope he can do what Moore and Connery couldn't :-)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    In breaking news...
    There is still no news regarding Bond 25
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Hahaha nice one Benster !
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