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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Yeah like most of that film it was just weird and out of place almost like a parody . Even though I enjoyed SPECTRE I can see it becoming a twine where people start to hate it

    Your favorite Bond is Moore, so I'd have assumed parody was to your liking.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Yeah like most of that film it was just weird and out of place almost like a parody . Even though I enjoyed SPECTRE I can see it becoming a twine where people start to hate it

    Your favorite Bond is Moore, so I'd have assumed parody was to your liking.

    Haha I like all the actors except for lazenby but yes I do find Moore is the most consistently good even though his films although delightful are just above the Brosnans
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »
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    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    I wanted a mr white spin off but he's dead now

    Yeah they could have used mr. White alot better kind of wasted his potential by just killing him.

    I can't imagine a better end for him than SP. His send off showed a heart behind a monster, and in doing so made one of the best character statements I've seen in the series. He's now a top ten minor character for me.
    That scene was crap. What about all those women and children at Miami Airport? Or the Children in Bolivia who were going to die of thirst? The whole scene is detrimental to the character.

    That's exactly what Brady was getting at: he's a monster (for the events you described), and he manages to show heart by not killing Bond, and helping him find his daughter/track down and stop Oberhauser/ESB.
    The bit more where he said he left SPECTRE because they were killing women and children was bad because that's what he was doing in CR and QOS.

    I think White could swallow the thought of a general attack (i.e. destroying the plane on the tarmac in CR and the whole water scheme in QoS) leaving some women/children dead, but I took his SP comment to mean that women and children were being straight-up executed or murdered, and that was something he couldn't stomach.
    I have to admit this part didn't go down well with me either. The "Women! Children?!" may indeed have been added to make us feel something for White's humanity. So that we perhaps would feel sorry for a man poisoned and dying alone. The father of Bond's future intended no less. However, it just rang hollow to me.

    Agreed. Especially when you consider the fates of Vesper, Solange and what one can only imagine what White likely did to Valenka as she was also on the docking boat in which he killed LeChiffre. The idea of the Bond/White death scene is good but it fails on execution because of some of the lines they got White to say. This is just one of many MANY reasons why I strongly dislike SP.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    I have to believe with how much BB loves DC, that the offer would be a 2 film deal. I wouldn't be surprised if he agrees to it too. Especially with older stars making action films.

    Very good point. Done in the right way audiences enjoy seeing a star age. Dan can do two more if he wants.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    Im growing tired of the "era must shift" because of Trump & him being painted as some sort of Nazi dictator. Im not by any means a Trump supporter, but are you to tell me the country is in better more capable hands run by Bill & Hillary??? Yes I include Bill because one comes with the other.

    Trump is at least giving power back to the people, some of the things he is doing sure I may not like. Id rather have him than the nut that had a meltdown on election night, physically assaulted her campaign staff & had to be restrained.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited February 2017 Posts: 11,425
    I think the US electorate was presented with an unprecedentedly abysmal choice but Bond should rise above this stuff.

    Having said that, Trump is probably an existential threat to the US, whereas Hillary was simply mildly dishonest.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Politics shouldn't even be talked about when the topic itself is a film about fiction and entertainment. What's gotten into people about this Trump thing? Love him? Good for you. Hate him? Good for you. Either way, keep it out of things that don't concern the world of politics. Last time I checked, James Bond is about a super-spy who tackles third-party super-villains that are not related to any nation or government, to destroy the world, and Bond is there to save it. That's what Bond is about. Not which side certain collectives of the audience are on while the others being on the opposition. Keep your politics where they belong: Places where political debates are the topics. Not so hard to grasp now, is it?

    Alas, this thread is really getting derailed with these political discussions. I, as a fan, am not here to side with a political party or ideology. This is a place to discuss Bond solely. An entertainment piece. Otherwise, I wouldn't have joined at all.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I specifically said that I didn't want Trump or Brexit to form the foundation of the next Bond film. It's about the events that shape the change in culture, and by extension cinema. That's a completely natural process, nothing comes from nothing. They need to draw on the new pressures and fears of society, and those things are only created by a finite number of sources. Goldeneye wasn't about the Berlin Wall coming down, but it was subtly impacted by that event, and the same goes for Casino Royale and 9/11. They are responses to those significant watershed moments that people need answers and assurances for. It about subtext. Not so hard to grasp now, is it?
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited February 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Yes I would agree normally. Only thing is that Trump actually might be a bigger threat to world piece than Dr No.

    When the real world is more outlandish than a Bond movie then where do EON go next?
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    The Mr. White passage was my favourite part of SP.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited February 2017 Posts: 2,730
    The one who brought up trump was the two weirdos purvis and wade, they were like
    Muh we can't write a bond film because of trrrrruuuuuummp Muh . Their just idiots Bond has had nothing to do with western politics except for that silly phone call with margret thatcher. What does purvis want a call at the end of bond 25 where trump congratulates bond and bond turns gay because he remembersSilvia and he's speaking through a parrot and the parrot goes " ohhhh trump give me a kiss"
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Are you high?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    In my view, in these circumstances it's best to embrace the fantasy element. Take it away from reality and move it towards abstract escapism.

    Attempting to mirror geopolitics in a fast changing world is only going to leave them flat footed and behind the curve. Events are changing too fast and with the long planning cycle that they have these days, if they go in one direction by the time they get the next film out something entirely different could have occurred on the world scene.

    So if I were them, I'd just keep the politics out of it.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I agree. I want some more fantastical elements in Bond movies. I'm sick of politics so I want them out of Bond movies.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @bondjames and @jake have you been to the car show at the convention centre? The DB5, as well as other Aston Martin's, are there.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Yes @peter, I saw it. Beautiful car in the flesh. I just stood there staring at it for a couple of minutes. They had a black DB6 on the lower level as well & the DB11 was there too.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    My friend went yesterday and sent me pics of the DB5 and the black DB6 (verrrrrrry cooool), but he didn't send me anything on the DB11 (he's going to have to pay for that one)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    peter wrote: »
    My friend went yesterday and sent me pics of the DB5 and the black DB6 (verrrrrrry cooool), but he didn't send me anything on the DB11 (he's going to have to pay for that one)
    I didn't like the colour they had it in. It was a sort of copper colour similar to Hinx's Jag in SP. Car looked great though.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Are you high?

    No why do u say that
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 2017 Posts: 8,395
    bondjames wrote: »
    In my view, in these circumstances it's best to embrace the fantasy element. Take it away from reality and move it towards abstract escapism.

    Attempting to mirror geopolitics in a fast changing world is only going to leave them flat footed and behind the curve. Events are changing too fast and with the long planning cycle that they have these days, if they go in one direction by the time they get the next film out something entirely different could have occurred on the world scene.

    So if I were them, I'd just keep the politics out of it.

    I'm not advocating that we need to inject politics into Bond anymore than usual, but even "abstract escapism" has to be founded on something. I'm certainly reluctant to see Bond become devoid of cultural touchstones.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Sometimes characters like Mr White, just don't have to be "explained" in spin off films. Their mysterious backgrounds, how they came in to being, are more menacing because we don't know EXACTLY what led them to be who they are.
    It's like Hannibal Lecter, or Michael Meyers; the more we learn, the more water-down they become.

    Agreed. Not everything needs an explanation.

    Kind of like blofeld
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 10,591
    peter wrote: »
    @bondjames and @jake have you been to the car show at the convention centre? The DB5, as well as other Aston Martin's, are there.
    I did!

    @bondjames There was an additional silver DB11 next to the AM-RB 001. I didn't care for the orange either.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    In my view, in these circumstances it's best to embrace the fantasy element. Take it away from reality and move it towards abstract escapism.

    Attempting to mirror geopolitics in a fast changing world is only going to leave them flat footed and behind the curve. Events are changing too fast and with the long planning cycle that they have these days, if they go in one direction by the time they get the next film out something entirely different could have occurred on the world scene.

    So if I were them, I'd just keep the politics out of it.

    I'm not advocating that we need to inject politics into Bond anymore than usual, but even "abstract escapism" has to be founded on something. I'm certainly reluctant to see Bond become devoid of cultural touchstones.
    True and agreed. If anything, I would think the more outlandish might perhaps be more acceptable these days, given where reality has taken us. After all, ignoring politics, Elon Musk may be able to actually make MR (the film) a reality if he wanted to, soon enough.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    The one who brought up trump was the two weirdos purvis and wade, they were like
    Muh we can't write a bond film because of trrrrruuuuuummp Muh . Their just idiots Bond has had nothing to do with western politics except for that silly phone call with margret thatcher. What does purvis want a call at the end of bond 25 where trump congratulates bond and bond turns gay because he remembersSilvia and he's speaking through a parrot and the parrot goes " ohhhh trump give me a kiss"
    Totally right I wonder if Hillary was president they would say the same thing probably not bond shouldn't take political sides he is apolitical no wonder they can't write bond films right
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'd like to see some involvement of Artificial Intelligence or Augmented Reality. It's about to make a big leap forward and we're going to see much more of it soon. It would be nice for Bond to touch on it before it becomes commonplace.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    This gives new credence to the line "I don't give a damn about the CIA or there trumped up evidence."
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd like to see some involvement of Artificial Intelligence or Augmented Reality. It's about to make a big leap forward and we're going to see much more of it soon. It would be nice for Bond to touch on it before it becomes commonplace.

    To some degree we've already had it. Bond's BMW in TND was artificially intelligent, and the Aston in TLD had augmented reality with the laser projected crosshairs on the windshield. As much as I am a proponent of gadgets in Bond films, I'm not sure I want to see too much of this kind of stuff. What we've already had was great, but anything more advanced than that might be a little rich. Bond's gadgets are usually more clever and novel, not so much techie. Augmented reality contact lenses might be cool though, with Bond receiving mission info and facial recognition data in real time.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Yes, I think the response to DAD's extravagance might have scared the producers away from future-forward technology. The thought of a third Dalton film with robots comes to mind, too. I absolutely think it could be done—James Bond meets Westworld or something to the effect—but I don't think we're going to see that any time soon, and admittedly the risk of mucking things up is high.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd like to see some involvement of Artificial Intelligence or Augmented Reality. It's about to make a big leap forward and we're going to see much more of it soon. It would be nice for Bond to touch on it before it becomes commonplace.

    To some degree we've already had it. Bond's BMW in TND was artificially intelligent, and the Aston in TLD had augmented reality with the laser projected crosshairs on the windshield. As much as I am a proponent of gadgets in Bond films, I'm not sure I want to see too much of this kind of stuff. What we've already had was great, but anything more advanced than that might be a little rich. Bond's gadgets are usually more clever and novel, not so much techie. Augmented reality contact lenses might be cool though, with Bond receiving mission info and facial recognition data in real time.
    Yes, of course we have had this already in the form of gadgets. I should have clarified my thinking.

    I would like to see it as part of a criminal plot. A plan involving mass adoption of some sort of new technology which has a nefarious secondary purpose. I don't mean in the 60's sort of cheesy way, but in a darker & more clandestine manner, rather than so obviously. It would take some decent script writers versed in sci fi, but I think it could be done.

    Failing which, they can always dust off Dalton's third B17 script featuring robots ;)
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'd like to see some involvement of Artificial Intelligence or Augmented Reality. It's about to make a big leap forward and we're going to see much more of it soon. It would be nice for Bond to touch on it before it becomes commonplace.

    To some degree we've already had it. Bond's BMW in TND was artificially intelligent, and the Aston in TLD had augmented reality with the laser projected crosshairs on the windshield. As much as I am a proponent of gadgets in Bond films, I'm not sure I want to see too much of this kind of stuff. What we've already had was great, but anything more advanced than that might be a little rich. Bond's gadgets are usually more clever and novel, not so much techie. Augmented reality contact lenses might be cool though, with Bond receiving mission info and facial recognition data in real time.
    Yes, of course we have had this already in the form of gadgets. I should have clarified my thinking.

    I would like to see it as part of a criminal plot. A plan involving mass adoption of some sort of new technology which has a nefarious secondary purpose. I don't mean in the 60's sort of cheesy way, but in a darker & more clandestine manner, rather than so obviously. It would take some decent script writers versed in sci fi, but I think it could be done.

    Failing which, they can always dust off Dalton's third B17 script featuring robots ;)

    That could be pretty good.

    Also, there was a B17 script involving robots?!?!
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