No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 5,767
    I found myself a bit puzzled by this.

    Since most people here agreed that if Craig returns, Bond 25 will be a sequel to SP, what happens if P&W pen a SP sequel, and after that Craig decides not to return? Continuation of SP storyline but with a new actor? Highly unlikely, IMO.

    Could it be then, that they are about to write a standalone story that doesn't involve Blofeld and Spectre, and can be used with or without Craig?

    Or perhaps P&W are only hired at this point, but will not start working until Craig decides whether he will return or not? This also sounds unlikely to me.

    There are many possibilities, who knows what we'll get in the end.

    great point, they must just be writing the general action set pieces and villain plot
    Isn´t that anyhow what they´ve been doing on most Bond films so far, except DAD?

  • boldfinger wrote: »
    I found myself a bit puzzled by this.

    Since most people here agreed that if Craig returns, Bond 25 will be a sequel to SP, what happens if P&W pen a SP sequel, and after that Craig decides not to return? Continuation of SP storyline but with a new actor? Highly unlikely, IMO.

    Could it be then, that they are about to write a standalone story that doesn't involve Blofeld and Spectre, and can be used with or without Craig?

    Or perhaps P&W are only hired at this point, but will not start working until Craig decides whether he will return or not? This also sounds unlikely to me.

    There are many possibilities, who knows what we'll get in the end.

    great point, they must just be writing the general action set pieces and villain plot
    Isn´t that anyhow what they´ve been doing on most Bond films so far, except DAD?

    No?

    TWINE, DAD, and CR is P&W with polishing (for better or for worse) from others.

    QOS contains scenes from P&W but not the plot.

    SF is likely what's been described, and SP is the opposite.
  • Posts: 4,325
    P and W possibly then. Mixed bag them too. They tend to have good ideas but have difficulty executing them in a script. If they get someone to polish their script it may be okay. Although their work on the BBC series SS-GB isn't helping their case in my view - it's been quite dull.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 4,325
    P and W possibly then. Mixed bag them two. They tend to have good ideas but have difficulty executing them in a script. If they get someone to polish their script it may be okay. Although their work on the BBC series SS-GB isn't helping their case in my view - it's been quite dull.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 4,325
    jake24 wrote: »
    Full article:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4299532/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-ponders-play-007.html

    New things to keep in mind:

    -Baz surmises that cameras won't start rolling on the film until next autumn at the earliest

    -Broccoli is supposedly eyeing Jack Huston as a potential successor to Craig and is "very keen" on a black Bond

    By next autumn for shooting he means this autumn right? As in autumn 2017 not autumn 2018?

    Also isn't this at odds with P & W's comments about not knowing how to write a Bond film in the post-Trump election time we find ourselves in? That sounded to me like they were ruling themselves out of Bond 25.
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    I'm not going to comment until I hear more concrete information.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Full article:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4299532/BAZ-BAMIGBOYE-ponders-play-007.html

    New things to keep in mind:

    -Baz surmises that cameras won't start rolling on the film until next autumn at the earliest

    -Broccoli is supposedly eyeing Jack Huston as a potential successor to Craig and is "very keen" on a black Bond

    By next autumn for shooting he means this autumn right? As in autumn 2017 not autumn 2018?

    I wondered this, but I can't see cameras being ready to role in 6 months on a film with no script. He probably means 2018
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    With Omega


    Urgh, the blue SM300mc. Craig's personal black version that he wore to the Chiltern firehouse with Joan Collins is infinitely better. Omega better get their act together and pull back on their product lines and as for Bond, just give him one watch to wear, preferably the planet ocean and be done with it. There's a huge opportunity for Omega to establish classic pieces but it's never going to happen at the rate they're going.
  • Posts: 11,425
    P and W are so lacking in ideas and can't do dialogue. Don't understand what Eon see in them.

    For me this makes it less likely Craig will turn as I can't see them delivering anything that will interest him.

    Surprised Craig is not able to suggest some good writers
  • Getafix wrote: »
    P and W are so lacking in ideas and can't do dialogue. Don't understand what Eon see in them.

    For me this makes it less likely Craig will turn as I can't see them delivering anything that will interest him.

    Surprised Craig is not able to suggest some good writers

    Maybe Craig likes working with them? He calls the shots with the directors so I'm sure he has input on the writers, too. Let's also not forget Craig was an advocate of Brotherfeld. He appears to have more say in how his films turn out creatively than any other Bond before him.
  • Posts: 623
    The next Autumn is in 2017. But they might be on about 2018, because people do that. Like they'll say "next Sunday" and they'll actually mean 'the Sunday after next'.
    Anyway, like others here, I saw the Purvis & Wade quote about 'how do you write a Bond movie' as a wave goodbye. Seems not.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 4,325
    shamanimal wrote: »
    The next Autumn is in 2017. But they might be on about 2018, because people do that. Like they'll say "next Sunday" and they'll actually mean 'the Sunday after next'.
    Anyway, like others here, I saw the Purvis & Wade quote about 'how do you write a Bond movie' as a wave goodbye. Seems not.

    Next Autumn means autumn 2018, but I suspect he meant this autumn, that's how Den of Geek have taken it anyway. 'Next Sunday' is the Sunday after this Sunday. This Sunday is the 12th March, next Sunday is the 19th March - that's correct English grammar.
  • Posts: 623
    So if next Sunday is the 19th of March, the "Sunday after next" is the 26th?
    Anyway, I think they meant this Autumn too. As in the next Autumn, not 'next Autumn'.
    Time for the next post, I think.
  • Posts: 4,325
    shamanimal wrote: »
    So if next Sunday is the 19th of March, the "Sunday after next" is the 26th?
    Anyway, I think they meant this Autumn too. As in the next Autumn, not 'next Autumn'.
    Time for the next post, I think.

    Correct.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Personally I am slightly alarmed that Babs and MGW are going back to the well, but, in the end, they know far more about producing these films than all of us combined-- they've been doing it their entire adult lives.

    And unless we had original drafts, including the shooting scripts, we actually don't know, entirely, how much these writers contributed to the Bond films they've been credited for.

    Re-writes are on-going, with people being constantly hired to "polish"... Even lines can be changed or added in ADR, and there are plenty of ghost writers who come and go on big budget films.

    P&W may only be hired at the moment to develop an idea into a three step draft before the producers take out to other writers.

    Who really knows.

    But, if this article is to be believed, it appears as if DC is holding out for a quality script before he commits.

    And I'm sure Babs will make sure that whatever's delivered to him is tops, or else she knows her man will be gone.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Next autumn is not this autumn.
  • Posts: 4,325
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Next autumn is not this autumn.

    Correct. Maybe someone should contact the Baz meister on his Twitter to clarify if he means this autumn rather than next autumn.
  • Posts: 623
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Next autumn is not this autumn.

    So when is the next Autumn then?
    When are you eating your next meal?

    I'll stop now.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Interesting. Den of Geek reports John Logan wrote a screenplay for Bond 25.
  • Posts: 4,325
    Interesting. Den of Geek reports John Logan wrote a screenplay for Bond 25.

    Well originally he was supposed to be doing Bond 24 and 25, so maybe that's what they're referring to?

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I wonder whatever happened to that reddit user who was so sure he was told by an inside man that Steven Knight was writing Bond 25...
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    I think they scrapped that pretty early on in development of Spectre.
  • Posts: 19,339
    From MSN News :

    Bond 25: SS-GB writers sign up for new 007 film – but will Daniel Craig join them?

    James Bond screenwriters Neal Purvis and Robert Wade have reportedly signed up to write the new, as-yet-untitled 007 film.

    The pair have worked as co-writers on every movie in the spy franchise since 1999's The World is Not Enough. Daily Mail reporter Baz Bamigboye today tweeted that both writers had been "hired" for the new movie, but that lead actor Daniel Craig was "still deciding whether he will do it".

    Speaking to The Telegraph in February, the writers hinted that the next film would have to be a radical departure from 2015's Spectre. Wade said: “Spectre felt like it closed off a certain way of doing Bond. And I think whatever happens next will be quite different.”

    The writer also expressed some reservations about the idea of 007 in the age of Donald Trump : "I'm just not sure how you would go about writing a James Bond film now. Each time, you've got to say something about Bond's place in the world, which is Britain's place in the world. But things are moving so quickly now, that becomes tricky. With people like Trump, the Bond villain has become a reality. So when they do another one, it will be interesting to see how they deal with the fact that the world has become a fantasy."

    Nonetheless, the fact that they have been hired this early suggests the studio may have learnt a hard lesson from Spectre, when they were only brought in as script doctors much later on.

    Purvis revealed to The Telegraph just how difficult the writing process for Spectre was. "People were already in pre-production on the film, and they wanted to see things all the time," he said. "And sometimes they couldn’t decide what they wanted until they’d seen it written. So you write scene upon scene upon scene. You write so much. But how it finally got shaped was probably down to [Sam Mendes,] the director.”

    But Mendes, who also directed 2012's Skyfall, will not be returning for the 25th Bond film. "I loved every second of it, but I think it's time for somebody else," he said at last year's Hay Festival.

    If Craig follows Mendes in quitting the franchise, it will leave the biggest role in British cinema up for grabs. Bookmakers have recently seen a flurry of betting on who will replace the 49-year-old, who has now played Bond for more than a decade.

    Yesterday, BoyleSports slashed the odds on Poldark star Aidan Turner donning the Bond tuxedo to 3/1, after a number of high-stakes bets. But the bookies currently place Tom Hardy and Michael Fassbender as the frontrunners, both at 5/2.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Do you have a link to that, @Quantum?

    Also, it's worth mentioning that this recent news should be taken with much more sincerity than your usual tabloid drivel, given Baz's track record when it comes to Bond. Remember, he reported M's death, the fact that Harris would play Moneypenny, the Purvis & Wade rewrite, Waltz's casting, Seydoux's casting, etc.

    I know the majority of you didn't want Eon resorting to the same pair of writers again, but at this point, it's all but officially confirmed.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    If I was a betting man, I would say that P&W are back because they've already proposed some concepts and ideas that the producers want to explore. There are probably ideas out there as a by-product of SP & other films that can be mined for future films. I'm not familiar with EON's writing process like some, but that would make sense to me.

    I also believe that their return suggests EON want to avoid the sort of debacle that they encountered on SP. Better the devil you know. Furthermore, I believe it means we'll see less of a 'tangent' with the next film. It's probably going to be more buttoned down and traditional. Moreover, given Craig's current reported indecision (for reasons not fully known yet - but likely on account of the distribution scenario, budget/salary & prospective commitment to the franchise), I assume that they are back because they have the experience to write a script which can be tailored to a new actor quickly if required.

    Finally, this news suggests, thankfully, that we will probably not see another reboot.
  • It's disappointing to go back to Purvis is and Wade, but they did write Casino Royale and Skyfall.
  • Posts: 4,325
    bondjames wrote: »
    If I was a betting man, I would say that P&W are back because they've already proposed some concepts and ideas that the producers want to explore. There are probably ideas out there as a by-product of SP & other films that can be mined for future films. I'm not familiar with EON's writing process like some, but that would make sense to me.

    I also believe that their return suggests EON want to avoid the sort of debacle that they encountered on SP. Better the devil you know. Furthermore, I believe it means we'll see less of a 'tangent' with the next film. It's probably going to be more buttoned down and traditional. Moreover, given Craig's current reported indecision (for reasons not fully known yet - but likely on account of the distribution scenario, budget/salary & prospective commitment to the franchise), I assume that they are back because they have the experience to write a script which can be tailored to a new actor quickly if required.

    Finally, this news suggests, thankfully, that we will probably not see another reboot.

    Yeah they've had some bad results lately when they've hired a renowned writer and left them to it. Peter Morgan with Skyfall and John Logan with Spectre. Sounds like they want to avoid those situations again.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Just an additional piece of info:

    Gary Barber, during the Q4 call, stated that they expected to have approximately 10 theatrical releases in 2018. He then went on to list 8...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    If I was a betting man, I would say that P&W are back because they've already proposed some concepts and ideas that the producers want to explore. There are probably ideas out there as a by-product of SP & other films that can be mined for future films. I'm not familiar with EON's writing process like some, but that would make sense to me.

    I also believe that their return suggests EON want to avoid the sort of debacle that they encountered on SP. Better the devil you know. Furthermore, I believe it means we'll see less of a 'tangent' with the next film. It's probably going to be more buttoned down and traditional. Moreover, given Craig's current reported indecision (for reasons not fully known yet - but likely on account of the distribution scenario, budget/salary & prospective commitment to the franchise), I assume that they are back because they have the experience to write a script which can be tailored to a new actor quickly if required.

    Finally, this news suggests, thankfully, that we will probably not see another reboot.

    Yeah they've had some bad results lately when they've hired a renowned writer and left them to it. Peter Morgan with Skyfall and John Logan with Spectre. Sounds like they want to avoid those situations again.
    Yes, and as I said in my opening post after this news broke, P&W probably really saved EON's bacon when they were able to salvage SP's script. So their crisis fighting abilities & experience are respected and that may be required again if/when the distributor thing is sorted out, because Craig's involvement is still up in the air as of now and is perhaps dependent on it. So they may have to move fast once everything is finalized & an experienced team helps.
  • RC7RC7
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    Interesting. Den of Geek reports John Logan wrote a screenplay for Bond 25.

    He didn't. You won't be seeing Logan near a Bond film again.

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