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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Smoke and mirrors diversion? Hmm.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    I feel the only question that really matters at the moment is whether Daniel Craig is returning as Bond or not. If Craig return, it will be on a similar course as Skyfall and SPECTRE. If Craig leaves they can begin to change things up. All these other questions we are asking, about the writers, distributors, directors and everything else, all come secondary to whether Craig will be wearing the tux again or not. We know the type of story we will get from a fifth Craig film, but if he decides to leave, then they can finally experiment a bit more and work from a larger wheelhouse again.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Two things are likely here. Either he has already made up his mind (either way) and they are just waiting for the right moment for everything to be announced, or alternatively he, like everyone else is waiting for the chosen distributor to sign off.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    That's where I think some potential conflicts could begin to arise. If Craig is to be involved, I'd think that a studio would want a 2018 release, but since negotiations have taken this long, it no longer appears like EON and Craig are ready for that. But from a studio perspective, a final Craig film 4 years after the fact is a bit of a nightmare to get involved in. I've a feeling anything after 2018, they'd want a new Bond. Just my thoughts.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    The 'Sherlock' episodes that McGuigan directed were great, but the likes of 'Lucky Number Slevin' and 'Victor Frankenstein' aren't inspiring confidence for him to helm a Bond film.
    My opinion exactly.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited May 2017 Posts: 6,276
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Thank goodness the strike was resolved before it began. Hopefully this means full speed ahead and legitimate B25 news sooner rather than later.

    Re: Paul McGuigan...hiring a "brass tacks" action flick director (and especially one who isn't a "name") would be a surprising yet not at all unwelcome move from the producers. They've hired a wide range of director types in the past, from those who've been more known for their action directing to those more familiar with human drama.

    I'm not personally familiar with any of the film work of Paul McGuigan, but I will say this much in his favor: the man has previously worked with David Arnold on four episodes of Sherlock...

    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero, I forgot about the Arnold connection there. Very true.

    As Craig gets more expensive, they have to cut costs somewhere...

    Lol. Yes, I'm sure Arnold will be willing to work within a reasonable budget for Bond. I don't know that film composers in general demand the kinds of bucks that actors do, however. Maybe if you're John Williams or Hans Zimmer you do. Still, I think they're a modestly compensated profession.

    Oh, I meant that McCuigan is certainly less expensive than Mendes...I am an Arnold fan, though. He's certainly better and more Bond-ish than anyone we've had since 1987.

    If Quantum/Spectre/Vesper factor into Bond 25 (not that I'm advocating that they do), I'd like to see at least a brief reprise of Vesper's theme and even the Quantum opera theme from QoS.
    Risico007 wrote: »
    we still aren't given an explanation of what happened to Quantum and why they changed their name (yes I know in the original script once the name was leaked White and Blofeld changed the name based on their old army unit) but we weren't told that and Characters in both films I feel are either Overplayed (Silvia for example) or underplayed (Mr. white in spectre which is a shame as he was the best thing of the Craig era)

    Add to that the constant theme of family which doesn't work here and yeah Mendes shouldn't return that being said if we got Sam Mendes presents Shatterhand I wouldn't complain to much as well both skyfall and spectre sit comfortably in the middle of my ranking are they as good as Casino Royale License to kill Quantum of Solace or From Russia with love no but they aren't as bad as Moonraker either.

    I don't know anything about Paul Mcguin's work and I don't need to I didn't know anything about Campbell pre Goldeneye or Royale (besides Goldeneye and Zorro) and heck in my youth I championed Adrian Paul and Wes Craven to direct (ah the joys and innocence of youth) so I am willing to give this guy a chance and see what story he is willing to tell but if this is all BS and it is Mendes again I will go through the motions and say Ah well we are doing this or that again when the beats come up (another s word title another bland pop artist doing a slow paced depressing song etc)

    I didn't read the leaked script. Can you expound upon the Spectre name in it?

    Craven (RIP) would have been an interesting choice. The man knew how to direct suspense.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    That's where I think some potential conflicts could begin to arise. If Craig is to be involved, I'd think that a studio would want a 2018 release, but since negotiations have taken this long, it no longer appears like EON and Craig are ready for that. But from a studio perspective, a final Craig film 4 years after the fact is a bit of a nightmare to get involved in. I've a feeling anything after 2018, they'd want a new Bond. Just my thoughts.
    I tend to agree, but I also think they might be a little farther along in the process than we know. I don't trust any of these media reports because most of them are just pontificating like we are (it's clear to see that they are grasping and trying to put two and two together in order to come up with something plausible). Until EON confirms (not denies, because they have been known to mislead), this is all BS to me. There appear to be insiders with an agenda leaking bits and pieces which suit their purpose, while high stakes deliberations take place.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 2017 Posts: 8,392
    bondjames wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    That's where I think some potential conflicts could begin to arise. If Craig is to be involved, I'd think that a studio would want a 2018 release, but since negotiations have taken this long, it no longer appears like EON and Craig are ready for that. But from a studio perspective, a final Craig film 4 years after the fact is a bit of a nightmare to get involved in. I've a feeling anything after 2018, they'd want a new Bond. Just my thoughts.
    I tend to agree, but I also think they might be a little farther along in the process than we know. I don't trust any of these media reports because most of them are just pontificating like we are (it's clear to see that they are grasping and trying to put two and two together in order to come up with something plausible). Until EON confirms (not denies, because they have been known to mislead), this is all BS to me. There appear to be insiders with an agenda leaking bits and pieces which suit their purpose, while high stakes deliberations take place.

    I'm trying to think how far along they can be at this stage? They obviously need something to show a potential distributor, and since this deal has no impact on the longterm course Bond will take (it's just on film), you'd think they'd need a plot or concept in place. This doesn't really point us in either direction with regards to Craig, since a standalone film would be far easier to tackle than an epic finale with all these existing characters. I personally think the former would be easier to sell.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    That's where I think some potential conflicts could begin to arise. If Craig is to be involved, I'd think that a studio would want a 2018 release, but since negotiations have taken this long, it no longer appears like EON and Craig are ready for that. But from a studio perspective, a final Craig film 4 years after the fact is a bit of a nightmare to get involved in. I've a feeling anything after 2018, they'd want a new Bond. Just my thoughts.
    I tend to agree, but I also think they might be a little farther along in the process than we know. I don't trust any of these media reports because most of them are just pontificating like we are (it's clear to see that they are grasping and trying to put two and two together in order to come up with something plausible). Until EON confirms (not denies, because they have been known to mislead), this is all BS to me. There appear to be insiders with an agenda leaking bits and pieces which suit their purpose, while high stakes deliberations take place.

    I'm trying to think how far along they can be at this stage? They obviously need something to show a potential distributor, and since this deal has no impact on the longterm course Bond will take (it's just on film), you'd think they'd need a plot or concept in place. This doesn't really point us in either direction with regards to Craig, since a standalone film would be far easier to tackle than an epic finale with all these existing characters. I personally think the former would be easier to sell.
    It's possible, and it will likely be far cheaper too (without Waltz and the rest of the high priced talent). It does point in the direction of a standalone, true.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    bondjames wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    That's where I think some potential conflicts could begin to arise. If Craig is to be involved, I'd think that a studio would want a 2018 release, but since negotiations have taken this long, it no longer appears like EON and Craig are ready for that. But from a studio perspective, a final Craig film 4 years after the fact is a bit of a nightmare to get involved in. I've a feeling anything after 2018, they'd want a new Bond. Just my thoughts.
    I tend to agree, but I also think they might be a little farther along in the process than we know. I don't trust any of these media reports because most of them are just pontificating like we are (it's clear to see that they are grasping and trying to put two and two together in order to come up with something plausible). Until EON confirms (not denies, because they have been known to mislead), this is all BS to me. There appear to be insiders with an agenda leaking bits and pieces which suit their purpose, while high stakes deliberations take place.

    I'm trying to think how far along they can be at this stage? They obviously need something to show a potential distributor, and since this deal has no impact on the longterm course Bond will take (it's just on film), you'd think they'd need a plot or concept in place. This doesn't really point us in either direction with regards to Craig, since a standalone film would be far easier to tackle than an epic finale with all these existing characters. I personally think the former would be easier to sell.
    It's possible, and it will likely be far cheaper too (without Waltz and the rest of the high priced talent). It does point in the direction of a standalone, true.

    Depends how much money they're willing to stake.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,195
    I bet Arnold would do it for a song. :D
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    talos7 wrote: »
    I bet Arnold would do it for a song. :D
    I'm sure. For free even.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 2017 Posts: 8,392
    Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that the MGM/EON/SONY dynamic was at times a caustic one. It seems feasible to me that, if they were to recast and "soft reboot" the franchise once more, they would be very wary about jumping into another decade long partnership with a major studio. The idea of starting slow, and collaborating together on a one film basis first makes sense, before committing to the longterm. Not saying that it should be read that way, but it makes just as much sense as any other way of looking at it.

    Ultimately, I'm sticking to my guns about this. If they are indeed further along than we thought and Craig is back, then we should hear something very soon. If it gets to the end of Summer and they're still deliberating, I'm inclined to take that to mean more fundemental changes are happening behind the scenes. I just can't see them bringing back Madeline and Waltz beyond 2018.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,536
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    What's next on EON's agenda? The historical war film? It's amazing to me how Mission Impossible films are consistently being released, yet we're still at a stalemate on Bond. I really hope we hear something official by mid-summer, but I'm still predicting we won't hear squat before the year is up. Hopefully I'm wrong.

    There is still no IMDB listing for that historical war film.

    On IMDB Pro Eon Productions currently have three projects listed as in production:
    - Bond 25
    - No Place To Hide
    - Remote Control
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
    Posts: 1,755
    I don't even care about Waltz or the rest of them at this point. I just want Craig back for one more! That is all.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I bet Arnold would do it for a song. :D
    I'm sure. For free even.

    He does feel a kind of cheap with CR & QoB elevatormusak.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    What's next on EON's agenda? The historical war film? It's amazing to me how Mission Impossible films are consistently being released, yet we're still at a stalemate on Bond. I really hope we hear something official by mid-summer, but I'm still predicting we won't hear squat before the year is up. Hopefully I'm wrong.

    There is still no IMDB listing for that historical war film.

    On IMDB Pro Eon Productions currently have three projects listed as in production:
    - Bond 25
    - No Place To Hide
    - Remote Control

    No Place to Hide is about Edward Snowden

    Remote Control is based on the novel by Mark Burnell.

    Neither are WWII historical films.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Arnold will fix what went wrong with the identity of the Bond music in this decade.
  • Escalus5Escalus5
    Posts: 628
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    No Place to Hide is about Edward Snowden

    Great. Another movie about Snowden that nobody wants.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    No Place to Hide is about Edward Snowden

    Great. Another movie about Snowden that nobody wants.

    They're working with Sony on it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited May 2017 Posts: 8,392
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I don't even care about Waltz or the rest of them at this point. I just want Craig back for one more! That is all.

    There's only so much they can strip away if they want Craig to return. It has to still feel like the same world, the same continuity. No mentions of Madeline, Waltz, SPECTRE or anything else and I don't think Craig would be interested, except maybe for a giant check.

    but if they keep Maddie, Waltz etc. then they can't really tell a small scale story. It's sort of a catch-22.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,195
    SaintMark wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I bet Arnold would do it for a song. :D
    I'm sure. For free even.

    He does feel a kind of cheap with CR & QoB elevatormusak.

    Now THAT would be one thrilling elevator ride!

  • CalliopeCalliope
    Posts: 30
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    On IMDB Pro Eon Productions currently have three projects listed as in production:
    - Bond 25
    - No Place To Hide
    - Remote Control

    Should we read anything into the fact that Syncopy (Christopher Nolan's production company) is also listed as a production company for Bond 25? No idea how long that's been there on IMDb Pro.
  • octofingeroctofinger
    Posts: 787
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    No Place to Hide is about Edward Snowden

    Great. Another movie about Snowden that nobody wants.

    They're working with Sony on it.

    Man, Sony just seems to hate turning a profit.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I don't even care about Waltz or the rest of them at this point. I just want Craig back for one more! That is all.

    There's only so much they can strip away if they want Craig to return. It has to still feel like the same world, the same continuity. No mentions of Madeline, Waltz, SPECTRE or anything else and I don't think Craig would be interested, except maybe for a giant check.

    but if they keep Maddie, Waltz etc. then they can't really tell a small scale story. It's sort of a catch-22.

    I disagree. There are other options and regard your 'small scale story' option, that's something you're personally hankering for - it's possible to tell a simple story with scope. So no, I don't think it's catch-22.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I don't even care about Waltz or the rest of them at this point. I just want Craig back for one more! That is all.

    There's only so much they can strip away if they want Craig to return. It has to still feel like the same world, the same continuity. No mentions of Madeline, Waltz, SPECTRE or anything else and I don't think Craig would be interested, except maybe for a giant check.

    but if they keep Maddie, Waltz etc. then they can't really tell a small scale story. It's sort of a catch-22.

    I disagree. There are other options and regard your 'small scale story' option, that's something you're personally hankering for - it's possible to tell a simple story with scope. So no, I don't think it's catch-22.

    I don't think it a personal want, I think it's pretty widespread. Those wanting Craig back are more vocal and more unified because they share a collective vision, whereas those ready for change all want something different.

    You're right - it's possible to tell a simple story with scope, in concept. But the Craig era is all about complexity at the expense of clarity, so I don't think they will do that.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Calliope wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    On IMDB Pro Eon Productions currently have three projects listed as in production:
    - Bond 25
    - No Place To Hide
    - Remote Control

    Should we read anything into the fact that Syncopy (Christopher Nolan's production company) is also listed as a production company for Bond 25? No idea how long that's been there on IMDb Pro.
    I'm not sure what to make of that. Interesting.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I don't even care about Waltz or the rest of them at this point. I just want Craig back for one more! That is all.

    There's only so much they can strip away if they want Craig to return. It has to still feel like the same world, the same continuity. No mentions of Madeline, Waltz, SPECTRE or anything else and I don't think Craig would be interested, except maybe for a giant check.

    but if they keep Maddie, Waltz etc. then they can't really tell a small scale story. It's sort of a catch-22.

    I disagree. There are other options and regard your 'small scale story' option, that's something you're personally hankering for - it's possible to tell a simple story with scope. So no, I don't think it's catch-22.

    I don't think it a personal want, I think it's pretty widespread. Those wanting Craig back are more vocal and more unified because they share a collective vision, whereas those ready for change all want something different.

    You're right - it's possible to tell a simple story with scope, in concept. But the Craig era is all about complexity at the expense of clarity, so I don't think they will do that.

    I want another Craig film. Having said that I have got three degrees and had three jobs since he was announced as Bond! He has been Bond for some time, if with too few actual films in that time period.

  • octofingeroctofinger
    Posts: 787
    RC7 wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I don't even care about Waltz or the rest of them at this point. I just want Craig back for one more! That is all.

    There's only so much they can strip away if they want Craig to return. It has to still feel like the same world, the same continuity. No mentions of Madeline, Waltz, SPECTRE or anything else and I don't think Craig would be interested, except maybe for a giant check.

    but if they keep Maddie, Waltz etc. then they can't really tell a small scale story. It's sort of a catch-22.

    I disagree. There are other options and regard your 'small scale story' option, that's something you're personally hankering for - it's possible to tell a simple story with scope. So no, I don't think it's catch-22.

    I think the issue is that at some point the budget starts to drive the narrative. If you want all that big-money on-screen talent (Waltz and Craig alone will cost a fortune), and more world-class talent behind the camera (they've been splashing out not just on directors but cinematographers, lately), you're going to be spending a huge amount.

    For a movie that expensive to earn back its costs and turn a profit, it needs to be painted in broad enough strokes to appeal to the masses all over the world - that means nuance and character have to get dialed back.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Calliope wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    On IMDB Pro Eon Productions currently have three projects listed as in production:
    - Bond 25
    - No Place To Hide
    - Remote Control

    Should we read anything into the fact that Syncopy (Christopher Nolan's production company) is also listed as a production company for Bond 25? No idea how long that's been there on IMDb Pro.

    Yes, but this page has loads of '????' next to it

    http://www.imdb.com/company/co0147954/?ref_=ttco_co_4

    It's probably from when rumours where abounding that Christopher Nolan might be directing.
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