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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    You mean he's not actually James Bond, that he realliy is just a man called Daniel Craig?
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited May 2017 Posts: 19,339
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    marketto007 wrote: »
    THEORY TIME

    I was talking with a friend recently about the actual stage of B25 production and the uncertain future of the franchise, at least for now. And then came up with this: What if Barbara isn't needed or involved with with B25, because of her other projects, and Michael is producing the flick with Chris Nolan's Syncopy, and perhaps Craig again as a co-producer? What if...

    Very, very, very unlikely. Barbara Broccoli is a force to be reckoned with! She'll definitely be fully involved - she vetoed everyone to cast Craig instead of Cavill. MGW often jokes about how intimidating she can be - she very much takes after her parents - she'll be fully in charge of Bond for some time. Gregg Wilson will join her though and MGW with his age and health will undoubtedly take more of a back seat.


    As long as he still gets his cameo in each film still,he will be happy.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    marketto007 wrote: »
    THEORY TIME

    I was talking with a friend recently about the actual stage of B25 production and the uncertain future of the franchise, at least for now. And then came up with this: What if Barbara isn't needed or involved with with B25, because of her other projects, and Michael is producing the flick with Chris Nolan's Syncopy, and perhaps Craig again as a co-producer? What if...

    Very, very, very unlikely. Barbara Broccoli is a force to be reckoned with! She'll definitely be fully involved - she vetoed everyone to cast Craig instead of Cavill. MGW often jokes about how intimidating she can be - she very much takes after her parents - she'll be fully in charge of Bond for some time. Gregg Wilson will join her though and MGW with his age and health will undoubtedly take more of a back seat.


    As long as he still gets his cameo in each film still,he will be happy.
    I didn't see him in the last two, though.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited May 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    I think the convention has always been that until EON announces otherwise the current actor is assumed to be the current 'official' Bond. It's pretty simple.

    For this reason Dalton was the 'official Bond actor' from 86 to 94 or whatever the dates were, even though he never made another film after 89. In 1991 when they were openly planning the next Dalton release he hadn't ceased being Bond even though he never set foot on another Bond set.

    Your obsession with the idea that the actors cease to be the official actor between movies is odd to say the least.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited May 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Dalton indeed was the official Bond until 1994. The computer game, James Bond 007: The Duel had his likeness for the Bond character. They wouldn't allow that unless the actor is in to the contract, now, would they? Just like Brosnan was Bond up until 2004.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,129
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    I think the convention has always been that until EON announces otherwise the current actor is assumed to be the current 'official' Bond. It's pretty simple.

    For this reason Dalton was the 'official Bond actor' from 86 to 94 or whatever the dates were, even though he never made another film after 89. In 1991 when they were openly planning the next Dalton release he hadn't ceased being Bond even though he never set foot on another Bond set.

    Your obsession with the idea that the actors cease to be the official actor between movies is odd to say the least.

    I didn't think it needed clarifying @Getafix, but you Sir have done so eloquently.
    Up till a few years ago I had a 1993 copy of Empire where it discussed the next Bond film to be written by Michael France, and starring Timothy Dalton. Wish I still had it.
    Either way, the current actor is Bond till EON or they say otherwise. But EON generally get to announce it.
    It's not that hard.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    marketto007 wrote: »
    THEORY TIME

    I was talking with a friend recently about the actual stage of B25 production and the uncertain future of the franchise, at least for now. And then came up with this: What if Barbara isn't needed or involved with with B25, because of her other projects, and Michael is producing the flick with Chris Nolan's Syncopy, and perhaps Craig again as a co-producer? What if...

    Very, very, very unlikely. Barbara Broccoli is a force to be reckoned with! She'll definitely be fully involved - she vetoed everyone to cast Craig instead of Cavill. MGW often jokes about how intimidating she can be - she very much takes after her parents - she'll be fully in charge of Bond for some time. Gregg Wilson will join her though and MGW with his age and health will undoubtedly take more of a back seat.


    As long as he still gets his cameo in each film still,he will be happy.
    I didn't see him in the last two, though.
    No...I think he might have stopped doing it actually.
    :/
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited May 2017 Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    marketto007 wrote: »
    THEORY TIME

    I was talking with a friend recently about the actual stage of B25 production and the uncertain future of the franchise, at least for now. And then came up with this: What if Barbara isn't needed or involved with with B25, because of her other projects, and Michael is producing the flick with Chris Nolan's Syncopy, and perhaps Craig again as a co-producer? What if...

    Very, very, very unlikely. Barbara Broccoli is a force to be reckoned with! She'll definitely be fully involved - she vetoed everyone to cast Craig instead of Cavill. MGW often jokes about how intimidating she can be - she very much takes after her parents - she'll be fully in charge of Bond for some time. Gregg Wilson will join her though and MGW with his age and health will undoubtedly take more of a back seat.


    As long as he still gets his cameo in each film still,he will be happy.
    I didn't see him in the last two, though.
    No...I think he might have stopped doing it actually.
    :/
    There was a rumour once he was part of Silva's crew during that shootout on his island. Later said to be a deleted scene. Haven't heard of him doing anything in Spectre, though.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    marketto007 wrote: »
    THEORY TIME

    I was talking with a friend recently about the actual stage of B25 production and the uncertain future of the franchise, at least for now. And then came up with this: What if Barbara isn't needed or involved with with B25, because of her other projects, and Michael is producing the flick with Chris Nolan's Syncopy, and perhaps Craig again as a co-producer? What if...

    Very, very, very unlikely. Barbara Broccoli is a force to be reckoned with! She'll definitely be fully involved - she vetoed everyone to cast Craig instead of Cavill. MGW often jokes about how intimidating she can be - she very much takes after her parents - she'll be fully in charge of Bond for some time. Gregg Wilson will join her though and MGW with his age and health will undoubtedly take more of a back seat.


    As long as he still gets his cameo in each film still,he will be happy.
    I didn't see him in the last two, though.
    No...I think he might have stopped doing it actually.
    :/
    There was a rumour once he was part of Silva's crew during that shootout on his island. Later said to be a deleted scene. Haven't heard of him doing anything in Spectre, though.

    That's possible yep.
    I've heard nothing about him being in SP either.
    Shame.

  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,889
    MGW was in both SF and SP I believe. In SF it's in the same scene with M staring at the coffins and he's standing at the door. In SP he appears to be talking to C, as M and MP walk towards him. It happens very fast.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Benny wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    I think the convention has always been that until EON announces otherwise the current actor is assumed to be the current 'official' Bond. It's pretty simple.

    For this reason Dalton was the 'official Bond actor' from 86 to 94 or whatever the dates were, even though he never made another film after 89. In 1991 when they were openly planning the next Dalton release he hadn't ceased being Bond even though he never set foot on another Bond set.

    Your obsession with the idea that the actors cease to be the official actor between movies is odd to say the least.

    I didn't think it needed clarifying @Getafix, but you Sir have done so eloquently.
    Up till a few years ago I had a 1993 copy of Empire where it discussed the next Bond film to be written by Michael France, and starring Timothy Dalton. Wish I still had it.
    Either way, the current actor is Bond till EON or they say otherwise. But EON generally get to announce it.
    It's not that hard.

    I think he got the point
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    MGW was in both SF and SP I believe. In SF it's in the same scene with M staring at the coffins and he's standing at the door. In SP he appears to be talking to C, as M and MP walk towards him. It happens very fast.

    Aaah thanks for that @BondAficionado !!

    I will have to look out for those next time.

  • MrBondMrBond Station S
    Posts: 2,044
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    MGW was in both SF and SP I believe. In SF it's in the same scene with M staring at the coffins and he's standing at the door. In SP he appears to be talking to C, as M and MP walk towards him. It happens very fast.

    In the katter scene you can also see Gregg standing beside his father.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    True. Here are the shots of MGW from both films:

    Skyfall - http://i.imgur.com/HwJ4QjG.jpg
    Spectre - http://i.imgur.com/CSMZWXa.png
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Brilliant stuff...thanks chaps !!!
    Learned 2 new things today about the films .

    :)
    :)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    AlexanderWaverly wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Is this only EON's decision though? Doesn't MGM have a say in this? A future distributor? At least in terms of filming dates and release dates and what not. After all, they put up most of the money.
    Primarily, it is MGM who decides who its distributor is. Although they do ensure that EON is happy with whomever they choose.

    Michael Wilson said in the November 2015 interview it was MGM's choice but he expected that MGM would seek input. He also said Eon does the heavy lifting on marketing regardless of distributor.

    Nothing can really get turning like director or casting until the distribution is handled hopefully MGM and eon decide who distribute by at least the end of the year. If it was handled by the end of the summer that would be great but I'm not getting my hopes up

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Benny wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    I think the convention has always been that until EON announces otherwise the current actor is assumed to be the current 'official' Bond. It's pretty simple.

    For this reason Dalton was the 'official Bond actor' from 86 to 94 or whatever the dates were, even though he never made another film after 89. In 1991 when they were openly planning the next Dalton release he hadn't ceased being Bond even though he never set foot on another Bond set.

    Your obsession with the idea that the actors cease to be the official actor between movies is odd to say the least.

    I didn't think it needed clarifying @Getafix, but you Sir have done so eloquently.
    Up till a few years ago I had a 1993 copy of Empire where it discussed the next Bond film to be written by Michael France, and starring Timothy Dalton. Wish I still had it.
    Either way, the current actor is Bond till EON or they say otherwise. But EON generally get to announce it.
    It's not that hard.

    Yes, a Bond actor is incumbent until he is dethroned by another actor's announcement, but never until then. The fact that this had to be argued is worrying indeed.

    And even after your time is done, you remain James Bond forever. Sean, George, Roger, Tim and Pierce are all James Bond and always will be, irrespective of the fact that Dan is the current one. Like former presidents, the title always sticks. The Sensational Six stand as one.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    I think the convention has always been that until EON announces otherwise the current actor is assumed to be the current 'official' Bond. It's pretty simple.

    For this reason Dalton was the 'official Bond actor' from 86 to 94 or whatever the dates were, even though he never made another film after 89. In 1991 when they were openly planning the next Dalton release he hadn't ceased being Bond even though he never set foot on another Bond set.

    Your obsession with the idea that the actors cease to be the official actor between movies is odd to say the least.

    I didn't think it needed clarifying @Getafix, but you Sir have done so eloquently.
    Up till a few years ago I had a 1993 copy of Empire where it discussed the next Bond film to be written by Michael France, and starring Timothy Dalton. Wish I still had it.
    Either way, the current actor is Bond till EON or they say otherwise. But EON generally get to announce it.
    It's not that hard.

    Yes, a Bond actor is incumbent until he is dethroned by another actor's announcement, but never until then. The fact that this had to be argued is worrying indeed.

    And even after your time is done, you remain James Bond forever. Sean, George, Roger, Tim and Pierce are all James Bond and always will be, irrespective of the fact that Dan is the current one. Like former presidents, the title always sticks. The Sensational Six stand as one.

    Pierce Brosnan was also Thomas Crown though.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Well, Craig can surpass Sir Rog's tenure length if he does one more. I don't think that will be an incentive for him, but it's something to note.

    If he doesn't come back, it still makes sense to wait, because I'm sure that he benefits from still being the official Bond actor when negotiating other acting gigs and the entire outfit benefits from not having the rumour mill in overdrive (if there was no incumbent the press speculation would be deafening in comparison to now).

    We'll know soon enough. Probably by the end of this year.

    EDIT: McGuigan may have an occupied schedule:
    http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/james-bond-007/news/a828077/sherlock-director-paul-mcguigan-amazon-series-carnival-row-rule-out-bond-25/
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    If McGuigan every did get duties, you'd wonder if he'd bring in Moffat and Gatiss as his writers.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,843
    and another rumor gets taken out back and shot.... sigh I get the feeling that like gap between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall we have another 4 year gap and what is worse is no video games to ease the pain at least there is the Amazing comic book series (though Ubisoft developing a series of games would be fantastic)
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited May 2017 Posts: 1,661
    Not wishing to make light of this very serious news item but this could be the sort of Bond plot material for Bond 25:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-cyber-attack-hospitals-hit-10409301
    The virus is believed to be ransomware, which installs itself covertly on devices, and then holds information hostage until a ransom is paid.

    The so-called 'ransomware' computer attack is demanding $300 in electronic currency to free files from encryption.

    Some plot involving cyber attack. I'd imagine if Ian Fleming were alive in 2017 he'd have SPECTRE using cyber attacks. A SPECTRE cyber attack against the European Union!
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Not wishing to make light of this very serious news item but this could be the sort of Bond plot material for Bond 25:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-cyber-attack-hospitals-hit-10409301
    The virus is believed to be ransomware, which installs itself covertly on devices, and then holds information hostage until a ransom is paid.

    The so-called 'ransomware' computer attack is demanding $300 in electronic currency to free files from encryption.

    Some plot involving cyber attack. I'd imagine if Ian Fleming were alive in 2017 he'd have SPECTRE using cyber attacks. A SPECTRE cyber attack against the European Union!
    we just had that

  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,843
    QuantumOrganization wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Not wishing to make light of this very serious news item but this could be the sort of Bond plot material for Bond 25:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-cyber-attack-hospitals-hit-10409301
    The virus is believed to be ransomware, which installs itself covertly on devices, and then holds information hostage until a ransom is paid.

    The so-called 'ransomware' computer attack is demanding $300 in electronic currency to free files from encryption.

    Some plot involving cyber attack. I'd imagine if Ian Fleming were alive in 2017 he'd have SPECTRE using cyber attacks. A SPECTRE cyber attack against the European Union!
    we just had that


    Twice
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    Even though I'm sure your reasoning behind this is fuelled by your hopes of Craig vacating the role in favour of Turner, I think you kind of have a point.

    Make no mistake, Craig is the current Bond...until he's not. The facts that we are aware of doesn't guarantee Craig will be back, however, the facts also do not confirm that he won't be back either. Look at the Brosnan situation, after DAD he himself and in the company of the producers no less confirmed he'd be back for a 5th outing and look what happened there.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    Even though I'm sure your reasoning behind this is fuelled by your hopes of Craig vacating the role in favour of Turner, I think you kind of have a point.

    Make no mistake, Craig is the current Bond...until he's not. The facts that we are aware of doesn't guarantee Craig will be back, however, the facts also do not confirm that he won't be back either. Look at the Brosnan situation, after DAD he himself and in the company of the producers no less confirmed he'd be back for a 5th outing and look what happened there.

    Exactly. Same thing happened to Dalton. They fully expected him back, but other affairs got in the way. I've tried to warn people that the same can happen again.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    It's a bit different this time, because the rumours of Craig's departure started after his ill advised wrist slash comments from 2015. Brosnan on the other hand was fully expected to return until the sudden announcement that the negotiations had stalled.

    Having said that, I agree that we have no clue what's going on at present. Just a rumour mill in full swing with conflicting back and forth.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Until we get an announcement from EON saying otherwise Daniel Craig IS James Bond.

    Why do people keep saying that? He's only James Bond if he does another Bond film. If he doesn't, then he's just an actor between jobs. We don't know yet.

    Even though I'm sure your reasoning behind this is fuelled by your hopes of Craig vacating the role in favour of Turner, I think you kind of have a point.

    Make no mistake, Craig is the current Bond...until he's not. The facts that we are aware of doesn't guarantee Craig will be back, however, the facts also do not confirm that he won't be back either. Look at the Brosnan situation, after DAD he himself and in the company of the producers no less confirmed he'd be back for a 5th outing and look what happened there.

    Exactly. Same thing happened to Dalton. They fully expected him back, but other affairs got in the way. I've tried to warn people that the same can happen again.
    Would be ironic if Turner got sacked the same way Brosnan did in '87, wouldn't it?
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Craig is Bond.
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