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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I say that tongue-in-cheek in reaction to your posts .
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    To clarify:
    talos7 wrote: »
    I think it's safe to say that the longer the gap until the next film, the more likely it is that Craig will not return..

    This is entirely true. Obviously if B25 doesn't come out until 2025, Craig won't come back. My point is, it's basically a non argument at this point because no one can prove that the gap is getting longer, if at all. EON as of today has never confirmed or denied any release year, be it 2018, 2019, 2020, or later. Assuming that in early 2018 we still have zero concrete info on B25, that won't rule out or confirm anything, since we have no clue if 2018 was at all considered, and that EON + Craig could have been committed to a 2019 release for a certain amount of time.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    To clarify:
    talos7 wrote: »
    I think it's safe to say that the longer the gap until the next film, the more likely it is that Craig will not return..

    This is entirely true. Obviously if B25 doesn't come out until 2025, Craig won't come back. My point is, it's basically a non argument at this point because no one can prove that the gap is getting longer, if at all. EON as of today has never confirmed or denied any release year, be it 2018, 2019, 2020, or later. Assuming that in early 2018 we still have zero concrete info on B25, that won't rule out or confirm anything, since we have no clue if 2018 was at all considered, and that EON + Craig could have been committed to a 2019 release for a certain amount of time.

    I agree 100% . My little poke about closing the thread is that 90%+ of the post are speculative opinion. ;)

    NEWS! We need some real NEWS!

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    No offense meant, @talos7. ;)
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Back at ya! ;)
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    To clarify:
    talos7 wrote: »
    I think it's safe to say that the longer the gap until the next film, the more likely it is that Craig will not return..

    This is entirely true. Obviously if B25 doesn't come out until 2025, Craig won't come back. My point is, it's basically a non argument at this point because no one can prove that the gap is getting longer, if at all. EON as of today has never confirmed or denied any release year, be it 2018, 2019, 2020, or later. Assuming that in early 2018 we still have zero concrete info on B25, that won't rule out or confirm anything, since we have no clue if 2018 was at all considered, and that EON + Craig could have been committed to a 2019 release for a certain amount of time.

    2025?
    Then he will be at least five years past his selling date. Oh, spell the 'at least' in capital letters.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    This thread should be renamed to Pussy Galore's Flying Circus. :))
  • Matt007Matt007
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    I like the idea of a small scale film. With trump, Isis, brexit etc a smaller intimate film could be the perfect antidote. Like TMWTGG. I love the idea of bond being captured then released to be hunted across the Siberian wastes and mountains. He ha to rely on his cunning and skill. Kind of like Capricorn 1 meets westeorld meets the short segment in octopussy
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    This thread should be renamed to Pussy Galore's Flying Circus. :))

    Mi6community's Flying Crap-fest.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    This thread should be renamed to Pussy Galore's Flying Circus. :))

    "Flying" would indicate the circus is moving somewhere. Perhaps it should be Pussy Galore's Stagnant Circus?
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    This thread should be renamed to Pussy Galore's Flying Circus. :))

    "Flying" would indicate the circus is moving somewhere. Perhaps it should be Pussy Galore's Stagnant Circus?

    Mi6community's Stagnant Pile of Crap.
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    I like the idea of a small scale film. With trump, Isis, brexit etc a smaller intimate film could be the perfect antidote. Like TMWTGG. I love the idea of bond being captured then released to be hunted across the Siberian wastes and mountains. He ha to rely on his cunning and skill. Kind of like Capricorn 1 meets westeorld meets the short segment in octopussy

    I like the idea of a smaller intimate film. But what really annoys me is that you put Trump, Brexit and Isis up for an argument for such film. Trump; democratically chosen president. Brexit; democratic decision for a country to leave the EU. Isis; a deadly terrorist group. Believe it or not, the first two are not really all that bad for lots of people and are regarded as positive developments or at least not as scary as you apparently think it is. Isis on the other hand...
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    Problem is, the bigger the gap the more they have to go all in to proof Bond still has it (especially compared to MI)
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    Not sure if other members would like this, but I'd love to have a Bond film that feels cyberpunk, like the bit in Shanghai. Imagine a complicated chase in downtown Tokyo at night with all the neon lights.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited June 2017 Posts: 3,126
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I agree, EON has a desired timetable and knows if that includes Craig.

    Based on time just passing by I would say its becoming more unlikely by the month

    Will you stop with that bullshit? What do we know about Bond 25's release date and whether or not Craig is coming back? Nothing. So stop assuming you have any information about Craig's development. We have no confirmation/evidence he will be in the film, but we don't have any confirmation/evidence that he won't be back as Bond. Why don't you assume he already committed to doing Bond 25, and EON is waiting for a distributor to be chosen before announcing anything?
    Point is nothing will happen until a distributor is chosen when that will be who knows because it seems MGM doesn't seem to care about bond 25 at the moment so it might be a while
    I don't know how many times I had to say that
  • DennisonDennison
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    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    Problem is, the bigger the gap the more they have to go all in to proof Bond still has it (especially compared to MI)

    Why? Just send him on a mission.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited June 2017 Posts: 8,400
    I agree, just give him his Walther and send him out.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    That would be perfect...back to the great old formula...worked for all the other 5 Bonds.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited June 2017 Posts: 11,425
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Not sure if other members would like this, but I'd love to have a Bond film that feels cyberpunk, like the bit in Shanghai. Imagine a complicated chase in downtown Tokyo at night with all the neon lights.

    Absolutely. In my mind this is how I picture Dalton's 3rd having turned out. The Chinese setting and hacked industrial robots. Visually and mood wise along the lines of Ridley Scott's Black Rain.

  • DennisonDennison
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    "Hello 007, there's some unfortunate business in the Baltics. Couple of our agents have mysteriously been working with some organization named Quantu ... I mean SPECTRE, now be a good chap and sort it out would you?'

    "Sir, with respect, didn't we finish my Qua ... sorry, Spectre arc in the last 4 films?"

    'Ah, quite right 007. How could I forget the unfortunate meddling of the superhero franchise with his historic use of retroing things. In that case - follow this guy Shatterh...'

    'Sir, do we really have to go in for all that Austin Powers, cat stroking villain thing again, can't we just do a straight thriller - you know the type of Bond film that we all thought we would get on the back of the excellent Casino Royale?'

    'Quite right, 007. Well, leave this room and have some repartee with Miss Moneypenny. She's terrible in the field you know, it's why we've decided to retcon her back to the Moneypenny we all know and love - who is just my personal secetrary - never held a gun in her life. Noodle around a bit, I'm going to read every Fleming novel for inspiration and I'll get back to you with an honest, straight forward mission - like the good old days. And 007.'

    'Yes sir?'

    'Be sure to leave the Roger Moore-esque gags at the door - none of this pushing a man in his Fiat nonsense.'

    'Of course, sir.'
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2017 Posts: 23,883
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    Problem is, the bigger the gap the more they have to go all in to proof Bond still has it (especially compared to MI)
    That's just it though. They don't have to do this at all. As long as they remain confident in their product and have a quality script.

    As an example, CR came out in the same year as MI3, and blew that film out of the water critically as well as financially despite the long four year wait (I can't believe I'm saying that, given this kind of gap has become par for the course these days). CR resonated due to the strength of its script and the rich performances delivered by the cast, rather than due to the stunts (although what they did have was executed very well). It was a far 'cooler' effort than the Cruise vehicle too. Compare the respective torture scenes, for instance. Craig did 'intensity' far better than Cruise too, who has a tendency to overplay it.

    SF arrived on the scene one year after MI-GP, and again was a more culturally successful effort (although I'd argue they were both looked upon very favourably by the majority of the viewing public, for different reasons). Once again it had less action than the MI film, and it was the strength of the performances which elevated it. EON was smart not to try to emulate the Cruise film, because nobody can outflank him when it comes to ambition in that realm. Moreover, Cruise demonstrated that he could do insouciance surprisingly well (it suits him and comes naturally), and he found his niche as Hunt.

    SP made no impression on me in comparison to MI-RN. The reason (from my own perspective) is that the performances & characters in the MI film were off the charts in comparison to the EON effort. Moreover, EON tried to take MI head on with attempted stunts and CGI and were shown up (one can make excuses about injuries and what not, but the simple fact is the Cruise film satisfied very high expectations in the stunt/tension/humour arena & the EON film did not, at least for a lot of us).

    So I think they shouldn't try to outdo MI, irrespective of how long it takes to deliver B25. Just focus on a great script and make sure all of the actors selected (yes, even the Bond) can give us richly portrayed characters who resonate and are memorable.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Not sure if other members would like this, but I'd love to have a Bond film that feels cyberpunk, like the bit in Shanghai. Imagine a complicated chase in downtown Tokyo at night with all the neon lights.

    After the debacle that was the Rome "chase" in SP, I've lost a significant amount of confidence in EoN's competency to effectively do and pull something like that off. I suppose my stance could change depending on who's directing.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I agree, EON has a desired timetable and knows if that includes Craig.

    Based on time just passing by I would say its becoming more unlikely by the month

    Will you stop with that bullshit? What do we know about Bond 25's release date and whether or not Craig is coming back? Nothing. So stop assuming you have any information about Craig's development. We have no confirmation/evidence he will be in the film, but we don't have any confirmation/evidence that he won't
    doubleoego wrote: »
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Not sure if other members would like this, but I'd love to have a Bond film that feels cyberpunk, like the bit in Shanghai. Imagine a complicated chase in downtown Tokyo at night with all the neon lights.

    After the debacle that was the Rome "chase" in SP, I've lost a significant amount of confidence in EoN's competency to effectively do and pull something like that off. I suppose my stance could change depending on who's directing.

    Probably won't happen again
  • RC7RC7
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    Not sure if other members would like this, but I'd love to have a Bond film that feels cyberpunk, like the bit in Shanghai. Imagine a complicated chase in downtown Tokyo at night with all the neon lights.

    After the debacle that was the Rome "chase" in SP, I've lost a significant amount of confidence in EoN's competency to effectively do and pull something like that off. I suppose my stance could change depending on who's directing.

    It's all about who's directing.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
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    This new featurette from Blade Runner 2049 has convinced me that Denis Villenueve should do Bond 25:
    http://collider.com/blade-runner-2049-featurette/

    This is practically a featurette for a Bond film with both Roger Deakins and Dennis Gassner appearing.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    So many good directors out there. What are EON playing at?

    But at the root of all their problems are the cr*ppy, cobbled-together scripts they insist on using.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited June 2017 Posts: 11,139
    Agreed. I don't care about the awesomeness of what was in the time of yesteryear, this is the hear, now and future and for the majority of the past decade EoN have given me pause to not blindly trust their level of competency and strategic creative thinking.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    So many good directors out there. What are EON playing at?

    But at the root of all their problems are the cr*ppy, cobbled-together scripts they insist on using.

    More like MGMs lazy butt
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Getafix wrote: »
    So many good directors out there. What are EON playing at?

    But at the root of all their problems are the cr*ppy, cobbled-together scripts they insist on using.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Agreed. I don't care about the awesomeness of what was in the time of yesteryear, this is the hear, now and future and for the majority of the past decade EoN have given me pause to not blindly trust their level of competency and strategic creative thinking.

    Both absolutely bang on the money.
    It's easy to criticise Marvel or Disney but they both have a plan and are sticking to it. I don't have the slightest faith that EON have a similar creative vision for the property and just make it up as they go along.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    So many good directors out there. What are EON playing at?

    But at the root of all their problems are the cr*ppy, cobbled-together scripts they insist on using.
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Agreed. I don't care about the awesomeness of what was in the time of yesteryear, this is the hear, now and future and for the majority of the past decade EoN have given me pause to not blindly trust their level of competency and strategic creative thinking.

    Both absolutely bang on the money.
    It's easy to criticise Marvel or Disney but they both have a plan and are sticking to it. I don't have the slightest faith that EON have a similar creative vision for the property and just make it up as they go along.
    They have actually admitted this so bang on.

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