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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Back to where some were saying that they hope Bond goes rouge next movie. No absolutely no. We have seen that enough in bond especially with the Craig movies. It's been done to death

    That guy made a joke.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Back to where some were saying that they hope Bond goes rouge next movie. No absolutely no. We have seen that enough in bond especially with the Craig movies. It's been done to death

    That guy made a joke.

    To be fair, if Bond 25 plays out as I expect, with a retired Bond going after Blofeld one last time, he wouldn't be going rogue. Bond can only go rogue if he is still under MI6's employ, which I don't think he will be next time around.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    Why do I get the feeling he won't be back? This kinda sucks.

    Yeah, it's over kiddo. He had a good run. 11 years, 4 films. You can't say fairer than that.

    This is true, nobody can hold a grudge if he quits or even EON would decide to move on.

    What probably angers most people is that Craig wasn't allowed to do more Bond movies within a reasonable time.
    A 4 year gap and then again a 3 year gap is just not acceptable in my opinion. EON seems to be the only studio that is not able to have a longterm plan.

    It should be elementary that when they cast a new Bond, that they plan at least 3 movies including casting directors and writers and recurring cast like M, Q and Moneypenny.
    Anything else will just be dumb, lazy and incompetent.

    Very good point.

    Much as I am sick of Marvel and their sausage factory churning out film after film at least they have a long term plan and directors and scripts are being written for the next instalment before the current one has even been released.

    The trouble with this is you need a huge team of writers, producers etc and EON wouldn't want to relinquish control to such an extent as they would need to to avoid working themselves into the ground.

    What we have now isn't ideal but I'm loathed to let go of the precious thing we have that no other franchise does - EON as a buffer against the studio.

    I just wish they could have a bit of foresight instead of just blundering their way from one film to the next with not the slightest idea of where they are heading.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @TheWizardOfIce, agreed. While I don't need the release date of 'Bond 28' anytime soon, it would be nice if EON appeared to have some semblance of an idea as to what to do in the future. It's like the inception of the next Bond movie hits out of the blue, they write it and film it, it's out, and we're back to another clueless stage. Why can't they get things a bit more planned and locked in ahead of time? Like I've said, releasing a new Bond movie every other year is not an impossible task, and they could easily get back to it if they knew exactly what they were doing when the time came.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2016 Posts: 15,716
    @Creasy47 you shouldn't think of Bond 28 too quickly, since you're the same age as me so we'll both be nearing our mid-30's when we reach that film.
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    @Creasy47 you shouldn't think of Bond 28 too quickly, since you're the same age as me so we'll both be nearing our mid-30's when we reach that film.

    Blimey i will be in my 50's for sure so yeah, do not wish your life away! :))
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I'm now expecting it to be announced that Craig is done and I'm ready for it, I always thought I'd be gutted that he was leaving but after my huge disappointment with SP the way they painted themselves into a corner with it.

    I really don't want to see anymore of Craig & Waltz because whatever they do with it you can be guaranteed they'll not play down what they set up in SPECTRE.

    I totally agree EON do need to get a game plan in place, I was willing to wait for Mendes because I liked SF so much but for me at least he couldn't have dropped the ball anymore than he did with it's follow up.

    There needs to be an end to letting directors and actors calling the shots, if Craig doesn't want to sign on and get things set up and wants to keep them hanging, then he should be let go.

    I'm actually quite excited about a new Bond now, reboot well I can't see any other alternative after P&W foster brother nonsense and tying everything together.

    Yes I'd like Fiennes at least retained like they did Dench but if they have to start again so be it. They need to nail down people for their parts and get them signed up.

    We need a good run for the next Bond and hopefully when he feels he needs to move on they can cast another actor who can carry on the timeline instead of rebooting again.

    I don't want as Wizard put it sausage factory method like Marvel but Bond needs something a bit more concrete instead of the wishy washy way they release films at the moment.

    In this day and age EON shoud get their new Bond and then announce their game plan for their new acquisition, too many other franchise do this and the day of Bond not doing it I think should be over, no we don't want spin offs like Felix Leiter the movie but plotting a few entries in advance why not.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Agreed. In a way, I think the next studio should insist that the following be inserted at the end of a Bond film going forward, similar to how it was done up to and including OP:

    "James Bond will return in.......".

    That will force EON to come up with the blooming name at least!

    As I suggested a while back, I think some of the discipline and rigour has been lost due to Cubby's passing. He kept a tight ship, and appeared not to let directors and actors have as much control. Perhaps it's time for a return to tighter reins.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Creasy47 you shouldn't think of Bond 28 too quickly, since you're the same age as me so we'll both be nearing our mid-30's when we reach that film.

    I only said that in comparison to the DC/Marvel slate, as they manage to announce sequels/sequels to sequels a solid five to ten years in advance; thus, I meant that while I would enjoy having them be a little more prepared for the future than they are, I don't need them going all out and planning the next five movies or so in advance, either. However, at this rate, we could be nearing our mid-40's for 'Bond 28.' ;)
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    Its starting to look more& more like Craig may be finished. I dont believe however EON are ready to let go of Craig this easily.

    I still believe Craig told EON & Babs he was gonna do B25 when they went down the path they did with SP. However the ending contradicts this IMO.
  • Artemis81Artemis81 In Christmas Land
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    I really hope Craig doesn't go. I wish we could hear some concrete news whether he is coming back or not. I don't want SP to be his last film, he could do one more better to finish off.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    I know Daniel needs a break but I am really tired of everyone talking about Idris Elba being Bond and getting mad when people say no. Like it's racist!

    Every time I google 'James Bond', Idris Elba pops up in some news story..

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    To be devil's advocate here, I can see why EON don't jump to planning films far ahead of time. With what happened with the fiasco leading from the Dalton era to the Brosnan one and the MGM troubles in more recent memory, making any concrete plans could end up hurting instead of helping you, because you never know what could happen. The Bond franchise has seen great changes occur, and I think that's driven Barbara and Michael to play the films one at a time.

    I hate how studios these days have plans leading way into 2020. The biggest issue is that you can see the road the future films are going to take through the release schedules, which spoil you for what is coming. Marvel has done this and DC quickly followed suit. The hyper detailed film schedules sometimes let you know what characters will live or die, what characters will appear when, and what villains the characters will be facing films before they even get more than two minutes of screen time. It takes all the fun and surprise out of enjoying these films, but I guess that's just the sad climate today. When somebody sees a film early they have to spoil it for everyone just because they want to talk about it and can't wait for everyone else to have the privilege.

    I've never been a fan of this scheduled approach to filmmaking, especially if a studio has a string of bad releases in their franchise that drastically changes their film releases down the line or forces them to disband entire projects altogether based on bad BO and critical response.

    Everyone seems to have something to say about EON's handling of Bond recently, but I would love to see a select few here faced with making these films in Barbara and Michael's place, just to see how badly they'd cock it all up. My only request is that you wait until Dan's tenure is done.
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    I know Daniel needs a break but I am really tired of everyone talking about Idris Elba being Bond and getting mad when people say no. Like it's racist!

    Every time I google 'James Bond', Idris Elba pops up in some news story..

    Fortunately, media dipwads won't be hiring the next Bond.

  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Back to where some were saying that they hope Bond goes rouge next movie. No absolutely no. We have seen that enough in bond especially with the Craig movies. It's been done to death

    Personally, I draw the line at a ginger Bond.

    :-$ Bl**dy hell, don't start giving them ideas...
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    Tho I do want Craig to play Bond again I am very pissed that the producers let Craig have that much power. No actor should ever have that much power unless he is committed 100% to the series.
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Tho I do want Craig to play Bond again I am very pissed that the producers let Craig have that much power. No actor should ever have that much power unless he is committed 100% to the series.

    You are assuming, he is holding up the process, but we don't know that. As I understand it, NONE of them is working real hard on the next right now. They all wanted a break and once, that time is over, the decisions will be made. Should they need his decision for the distr. deal, he will make it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    The last film came out only four months ago, folks. Calm down here. Everyone is so quick to act like Dan is the one holding up the process or fast to speculate that he's done with the role. Wait for an official announcement and then talk, but not until then. It's honestly headache inducing.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The last film came out only four months ago, folks. Calm down here. Everyone is so quick to act like Dan is the one holding up the process or fast to speculate that he's done with the role. Wait for an official announcement and then talk, but not until then. It's honestly headache inducing.

    We're Bond fans, though, and all we do is speculate, assume, discuss, and analyze any little thing said; it's been that way for years. Of course, the discussions would be much different if we had something more concrete to talk about. Thus, we're left with either speculating, or discussing nothing about the future only until something concrete sees the light of day.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The last film came out only four months ago, folks. Calm down here. Everyone is so quick to act like Dan is the one holding up the process or fast to speculate that he's done with the role. Wait for an official announcement and then talk, but not until then. It's honestly headache inducing.

    Actually it's closer to 5 months ago.

    I think the reason people are getting so worked up (me included) is that these films take so long to make and the last 2 took 7 years! Bond films, while very technically complicated to shoot simply shouldn't take that long, IMO.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Well to be fair, the producers have mentioned that they'll do all they can to convince Dan to come back; that means there's uncertainty if he'll return to tge role. A simple clarification of Dan returning is all that would be appreciated; we don't really need additional details but it'd be nice to know he's committed to a 5th movie instead of being left completely in the dark and having to deal with all these persistent rumours of so and so actor being lined up to be Bond in the next film.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I completely get the temptation to speculate, but it's become common for people to repeat the same thoughts day in and day out, some of which are aimed at running EON through the mud in a manner lacking in the creative.

    When I have a complaint about someone or something in relation to Bond, I say my piece once or twice when it comes up in conversation, then I drop it and move on. It seems to have become a fad for others in the internet landscape to repeat ad nauseam their negativity, no matter how sick people are of hearing about it. Such is the nature of keyboard warriors and the power the computer has to make people think everyone else cares about hearing their opinions repeated over and over again.

    Threads lately have become the stomping grounds for negativity towards EON, with the same names poking holes in their operation day in and day out. While some complaints are justified, what isn't is how the hate finds its way into multiple threads again and again, sometimes where those comments don't belong (because they aren't in Bond related threads). For someone like me that refrains from such an exercise, you can only imagine how nauseating this is to read constantly. I could give a presentation on what some here view of EON and SP simply because I've heard it long enough that it's become more than memorized in my head, like an ache that won't go away.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Well to be fair, the producers have mentioned that they'll do all they can to convince Dan to come back; that means there's uncertainty if he'll return to tge role. A simple clarification of Dan returning is all that would be appreciated; we don't really need additional details but it'd be nice to know he's committed to a 5th movie instead of being left completely in the dark and having to deal with all these persistent rumours of so and so actor being lined up to be Bond in the next film.

    He said in interviews that he needs 6 months of too make a decision, so all EON can do is twiddle their thumbs and wait for his call to come.
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    I completely get the temptation to speculate, but it's become common for people to repeat the same thoughts day in and day out, some of which are aimed at running EON through the mud in a manner lacking in the creative.

    When I have a complaint about someone or something in relation to Bond, I say my piece once or twice when it comes up in conversation, then I drop it and move on. It seems to have become a fad for others in the internet landscape to repeat ad nauseam their negativity, no matter how sick people are of hearing about it. Such is the nature of keyboard warriors and the power the computer has to make people think everyone else cares about hearing their opinions repeated over and over again.

    Threads lately have become the stomping grounds for negativity towards EON, with the same names poking holes in their operation day in and day out. While some complaints are justified, what isn't is how the hate finds its way into multiple threads again and again, sometimes where those comments don't belong (because they aren't in Bond related threads). For someone like me that refrains from such an exercise, you can only imagine how nauseating this is to read constantly. I could give a presentation on what some here view of EON and SP simply because I've heard it long enough that it's become more than memorized in my head, like an ache that won't go away.

    I agree, I'm fed up with the negativity towards EON. Spectre is just a film after all, I know many on here weren't happy with it, but it is still just a film at the end of the day.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    The last film came out only four months ago, folks. Calm down here. Everyone is so quick to act like Dan is the one holding up the process or fast to speculate that he's done with the role. Wait for an official announcement and then talk, but not until then. It's honestly headache inducing.

    So given most of Oct/Nov was taken up with promoting the film etc let's say he's had 3 months off. Add to that from the moment he says yes to the point where where he needs to start getting into training for shooting will probably be another 18 months or so (assuming a 2018 release) then that seems a reasonable rest to me.

    Let's not forget the guy is getting paid f**king millions for this job but a bit of perspective please - he's not a nurse or working on an oil rig. Neither is doing Bond emotionally draining like making a film like Schindlers list or something. As Connery noted years ago the main thing to see you through it is having the constitution of a rugby player.

    Too level footballers get barely a month off in a World Cup year, F1 drivers about three months and Dan is on a par with them in terms of earnings.

    Let's not be mistaken that doing Bond is anything but a very cushy job. You get paid a massive wad and only need to turn up every two or three years. If Dan isn't happy with those T&Cs then of course he has the right to quit but the series shouldn't be beholden to his cockteasing for months and months. Bond existed before him and it will go on after him.

    EON need to say to him 'we're going ahead with the new film which will be released on X date. We'd like you do to it but we need to know by X. If you can't commit by then then fine we'll get someone else.'

    The thing is though I think Babs is so desperate for Dan and Mendes she'll do anything to keep them (as proven by the SP schedule being bumped by a year) and in addition there doesn't seem much desire from EON's side to get on with making a new one.

    Wouldn't surprise me if we don't hear anything for the next 6 months although it this new studio deal is to be done they will need to know if Dan is in or out because that will affect the price.
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    Again and as Brady said - all these assumptions are just that - assumptions, based on stuff being said months ago. About Babs being desperate and hence stupid and whatnot. This is silly at best.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I just want something, anything that can give even the slighest clue as to where the franchise is heading. It doesn't even have to be Craig confirming if he is staying or leaving. For example if EON announced that they are in talks with Martin Campbell to direct the next one, I am sure a lot of people on these forums would sleep easier.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited March 2016 Posts: 9,117
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Again and as Brady said - all these assumptions are just that - assumptions, based on stuff being said months ago. About Babs being desperate and hence stupid and whatnot. This is silly at best.

    Well Babs bumping SP by a year to get Mendes is a fact not an assumption.

    Comments she made at the premiere about hanging on to both Dan and Mendes would seem to suggest similar thinking this time round. Agreed these are assumptions but far from being silly they are based on her previous behaviour so have some logical basis.


  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I know this is apples and oranges but this is where the Mission Impossible team are ahead in the game; from almost at the time of Rogue Nation's release they were announcing the follow up and a director was named. No doubt they already have a production schedule.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I know this is apples and oranges but this is where the Mission Impossible team are ahead in the game; from almost at the time of Rogue Nation's release they were announcing the follow up and a director was named. No doubt they already have a production schedule.
    talos7 wrote: »
    I know this is apples and oranges but this is where the Mission Impossible team are ahead in the game; from almost at the time of Rogue Nation's release they were announcing the follow up and a director was named. No doubt they already have a production schedule.

    Absolutely.

    I think most franchises are light years ahead of EON when it comes to forward planning. SP the prime example. Linking all the Craig films together could have been brilliant had the seeds been sewn in earlier instalments but what we got was pretty poor. I'm tempted to say not entirely their fault as they didn't have the rights to SPECTRE when they were making the others but then they still went with it despite that so they are 100% to blame.
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