Is Die Another Day suddenly loosing its gloss and appeal?

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Don't worry, I have a friend named Felix who can fix everything. ;)
    *sigh or relief*
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    You are a couple of funny guys.

    As of late this place could use some good ole humor to lighten the mood around here. :)
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    an argument could be made that it had neither gloss or appeal
  • HASEROT wrote: »
    an argument could be made that it had neither gloss or appeal

    In all honest opinion......I think Rosamund Pike was the highlight of the film. For her age at that time and her terrific acting skills/talent....she really gave herself and made the most of this rather "by-numbers" double agent.

    Next to Rosamund, I found the "gangsta" acting from Halle Berry completely off putting. Actually....she should be in the 2nd Kingsman-film ;-).

    But Rosamund? Look where she's today. She one of the hottest Hollywood catches. And although Julianne Moore will most certainly win the Oscar for "Best Actress" in "Still Alice", I really think Pike's role in "Gone Girl" should give her the Oscar. That insane bitch vs. psychopath she portrayed.....was simply a wonderful, breathtaking piece of acting.

    Perhaps Rosamund Pike is the only actress whose career kicked off hugely thanks to her Bond girl role. Yes, the past four Bond films all have actresses who, against the old rule of thumb that Bond girls can not break away from it, manage to have quite the massive careers in Hollywood.

    Gemma Arterton, Naomie Harris, Eva Green and Olga Kurylenko all do what the Bond girls during and before the Brosnan-era never managed. But Rosamund Pike so far outshines these four actresses IMO, with a wonderful Oscar nomination for "Gone Girl".
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    It's the batman and robin of the series
  • RC7RC7
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    It's the batman and robin of the series

    Arguably, but absolutely nowhere near as horrendous as a standalone film. If the para-surfing scene didn't exist the film would still not be highly regarded, but it certainly wouldn't be as derided as it is. I'm aware of it's other numerous shortcomings, but this one scene leaves a stamp as large as the GF DB5, but for all the wrong reasons.
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    It's almost like you start out with a Rambo movie that shows a lot of promise, but then Rambo slowly morphs into a bad episode of Star Trek Next Generation (Don't get me wrong I love some Star Trek, but I don't want the Bond movies injecting crazy elements that are clearly out of place.

    I know Halle Berry gets a massive amount of flack for her role, but her dialogue was just dreadful. The writing was so atrocious that it would probably ruin any actress' attempt. If they would have given her a more serious edge instead of "Yo Momma" style lines, her character could have a real presence.

    As much as I love Barbara and Michael, they really fell asleep at the wheel on this one. It just feels like they sort of gave up in a way. Brosnan deserved a better send off. Aside from all of these things, it is still a film that entertains me and I can always get a laugh or two out of it.
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    It lost gloss & appeal with repeated viewings of the Moneypenny VR scene. It began to come back as people discovered the magic of the bathroom stop & the skip button.

    I love that scene! One of the most genuinely funny scenes of the whole franchise IMO.

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    Did DAD ever have gloss and appeal?
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    How is it that the film can open with such a well produced and practical looking stunt with the surfing to the "North Korean" coast, which looked almost believable to go to something as badly produced and completely CGIed as the Ice surfing at the end? It's like they gave up.
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 1,552
    I'm currently rewatching the film, as it's one I haven't watched in a while, and I'm at the opening titles - I love the idea, but the song really doesn't work and the girls dancing that look molten lava, it's horrific - they look like something from a horror film.

    I don't mind that Bond is captured and held for a period of time - it adds some realism.

    The fact that the British or Americans would negotiate with the North Koreans and trade Bond for one of the Koreans, whatever happened to "We do not negotiate with terrorists?"

    - Doesn't Bond look well fed for someone held and tortured?
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    He had a lot of spicy Korean food
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    Fleming wrote short stories with Bond, why not a movie made of three or four short tales by different writers & directors? Or even different Bond actors?

    Casino Royale 1967 ? :)

    And about DAD's reputation in the main audience, when the most popular IMDB review is a 1 star review approved by 57% of the readers clearly something is wrong :)

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    Compare to CR (not the 1967 one !) :

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    A 10 star review approved by 71%...

    This may be the best handling of a "next instalment in the franchise" ever...
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    Fleming wrote short stories with Bond, why not a movie made of three or four short tales by different writers & directors? Or even different Bond actors?

    Casino Royale 1967 ? :)

    And about DAD's reputation in the main audience, when the most popular IMDB review is a 1 star review approved by 57% of the readers clearly something is wrong :)

    717893Capture.jpg

    Compare to CR (not the 1967 one !) :

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    A 10 star review approved by 71%...

    This may be the best handling of a "next instalment in the franchise" ever...

    Well, if you over-analyze IMDB-ratings thatt way, then we should make a collage of the weirdest, funniest ratings :-P.
  • In all seriousness, I don't think it's the worst Bond of them all, but the last hour is definitely the worst of any Bond film. You can feel the series collapsing under its own weight.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    the last hour is definitely the worst of any Bond film. You can feel the series collapsing under its own weight.
    And through the disintegration my man Brosnan kept true. HE is the reason I brave that crazy ending.
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    I m talking double thumbs down.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    How is it that the film can open with such a well produced and practical looking stunt with the surfing to the "North Korean" coast, which looked almost believable to go to something as badly produced and completely CGIed as the Ice surfing at the end? It's like they gave up.

    i admit that the PTS was good (other than the fencing scene, its the only part of the movie i like)... but they set the standard early for the lousy CGI that would continue on later - when Bond and the other agents run up on the beach, it's too obvious that it's green screened... not to mention later on, that amazing shot of Pierce diving away from the fire in slow-mo... oye...
    JCRendle wrote: »
    I'm currently rewatching the film, as it's one I haven't watched in a while, and I'm at the opening titles - I love the idea, but the song really doesn't work and the girls dancing that look molten lava, it's horrific - they look like something from a horror film.

    I don't mind that Bond is captured and held for a period of time - it adds some realism.

    The fact that the British or Americans would negotiate with the North Koreans and trade Bond for one of the Koreans, whatever happened to "We do not negotiate with terrorists?"

    - Doesn't Bond look well fed for someone held and tortured?

    he seems to be mentally stable too.... and this leads me to one of the things that ticked me off the most about the film... now, i would imagine that someone like Bond wouldn't become a mental wet carrot after 14 months.. but the fact that he showed absolutely no side effects, or had not even the slightest psychological effect of any kind from being tortured for 14 months really bothers me - because it was a meatball sized missed opportunity to add some real character depth, and something for him to overcome throughout the course of the film.... nope... all that happens is that he has long hair and a beard - which he shaves off - then the tortured subject is never dealt with again...

    boy oh boy..... this film was/is/and forever will be the low water mark of the franchise - i dont care how much money it made...
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    I personally really enjoy this film.Yes it is quite daft in places and the ice surfing is inexcusable but its a lot of fun.Brosnan is great and most of the action is good.I love the gadgets and the car.I actually like it better than Goldeneye which is actually full of really silly stuff too if you are all being honest ( 007 blue screening after a plane in the PTS, Boris' death scene which wouldnt look out of place of a scooby doo cartoon ).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I actually like it better than Goldeneye which is actually full of really silly stuff too if you are all being honest ( 007 blue screening after a plane in the PTS, Boris' death scene which wouldnt look out of place of a scooby doo cartoon ).

    That's a very good point actually. GE is one of my favourites, but you've made me realize that I excuse a lot of the cheap nonsensical CGI in that film. Amazing what a good story and charismatic performances will allow one to overlook. It was made on a shoestring budget of $50 - $60m vs. DAD's approx. $142m
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 11,189
    bondjames wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I actually like it better than Goldeneye which is actually full of really silly stuff too if you are all being honest ( 007 blue screening after a plane in the PTS, Boris' death scene which wouldnt look out of place of a scooby doo cartoon ).

    That's a very good point actually. GE is one of my favourites, but you've made me realize that I excuse a lot of the cheap nonsensical CGI in that film. Amazing what a good story and charismatic performances will allow one to overlook. It was made on a shoestring budget of $50 - $60m vs. DAD's approx. $142m

    But GE actually has a bit of decent acting in it from Coltrane, Gotfried, Bean and Izabella. the two best supporting actors in DAD are only in small parts (Colonel Moon Jr and Snr).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I actually agree with DAD being better than GoldenEye as an entertaining film. But, the storyline and concept goes to the latter. Probably had GoldenEye made a little later with better atmosphere and newer sense of fashion (the awful late 80s soul was still there), with David Arnold composing the score with the style of TND, GoldenEye would've been perfect. DAD was more of a competition with other blockbuster action films such as xXx that starred Vin Diesel and all...
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Why are there so many threads on Die Another Day is another question one begs to ask...
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    wait wait wait when did Die Another Day have Gloss and Appeal?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    wait wait wait when did Die Another Day have Gloss and Appeal?

    I do rather forlornly recall some folks at CBn Forums calling it "the greatest James Bond film of all time" in 2002 and after. Sadly I think that they were not alone at that time, though I never even remotely felt that way about Die Another Day. ;)
  • Risico007 wrote: »
    wait wait wait when did Die Another Day have Gloss and Appeal?

    Several idea from the producers on how they wanted Jinx to look like in DAD :D:

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    Risico007 wrote: »
    wait wait wait when did Die Another Day have Gloss and Appeal?
    Several idea from the producers on how they wanted Jinx to look like in DAD :D:

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    and here's some more:-
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    ;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I don't care how much it shows; that's the dumbest superhero costume ever.
  • edited February 2015 Posts: 1,394
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I actually like it better than Goldeneye which is actually full of really silly stuff too if you are all being honest ( 007 blue screening after a plane in the PTS, Boris' death scene which wouldnt look out of place of a scooby doo cartoon ).

    That's a very good point actually. GE is one of my favourites, but you've made me realize that I excuse a lot of the cheap nonsensical CGI in that film. Amazing what a good story and charismatic performances will allow one to overlook. It was made on a shoestring budget of $50 - $60m vs. DAD's approx. $142m

    But GE actually has a bit of decent acting in it from Coltrane, Gotfried, Bean and Izabella. the two best supporting actors in DAD are only in small parts (Colonel Moon Jr and Snr).

    The acting is actually pretty good in DAD for a film of this type, Toby Stephens plays the part of Graves perfectly as a caricature which is exactly what Col.Moon Jr was going for, he actually does say to Bond that he based his alias of Graves on Bond himself! ( '' That ridiculous swagger, the crass quips! '' ).Rosamund Pike is also very good as Miranda Frost, especially when shes revealed to Bond as the traitor who set him up, from here on in she is camp as christmas but i think it suited the films tone.Michael Madsen is great in his scenes with M and would have actually liked to see his character in a recurring role to continue his verbal fencing with M.

    And despite the naysayers, iv always been a fan of Halle Berry, i know some here find her annoying but i think shes sassy and sexy!

  • edited February 2015 Posts: 15,125
    I am asking this, because this quality can also be valid for other Bond films. Did "Die Another Day" suddenly lost its gloss and appeal after it premiered in 2002? Or did it lost its gloss and appeal three months after its premiere? Or two years after it? What do you think? Has the gloss and appeal improved again slightly?

    Did DAD ever have gloss and appeal?
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